The Lucario Shrine

[Your Hero]

Could you be a bit more clear on what you mean in your second paragraph?

edit: lol ew black/light, how could you have been on the bad side in the beginning :[[

 

[Boofer]

Could you be a bit more clear on what you mean in your second paragraph?

:[[

Who? Me? I meant that the transition from 1 to 5 in the Zelda series (from 64 to melee) supports the possible transition from 4 to 7 for the pokemon series (from melee to brawl). It's really not that big of a stretch considering the franchise and all. Big 3 anyone?

 

[Your Hero]

oh ok. To tell you the truth I've never once compared super smash bros to super smash bros melee on this thread at all. All I'm saying is that there's enough representation.

LOZ atm doesn't have enough confirmed representation (they only have link and zelda), so it's not smart to compare them atm. Mario and Pokemon already have enough representation. There will probbaly be one more rep for mario though since pokemon has more rep than mario. Kirby has enough rep. Starfox needs more, metroid needs more.

lol. Either way i'm going off topic because I have nothing to debate against atm.

 

[Black/Light]

I noticed that Black/Light was a lucario supporter at the beginning of the thread. What happened?

But even if you want to treat them as 3 characters, did you consider the Zelda series in the last game? I'm sure you'd consider them as 5, with sheik and all. That is proof that your 7 is not unreasonable for the next installment in the series (which could have up to 40-some characters)...

I will admit that a few characters deserve it before him though. Like imo Isaac does, but still...Lucario looks like he belongs in smashbros.

I use to support him back than for part of the reason I liked Blaze (Cool fighting pokemon).

After I noticed that the only reason I liked him laid soley in his looks and the fact that, deep inside, I just wanted him to be a Fox/ Falco clone I started thinking that theres other, more unique pokemon I would like (That was around the time I started supporting characters out of uniqueness.)

At that point I was pretty much indifferent to Lucario. . . his annoying fan-boys are the only reason I care to debate.

And LoZ got a jump in characters. . . but these where all important main characters in roles that are fulled up alot when a series gets more than one character. I don't expect LoZ to get 4 more slots added to it in brawl because of that jump. . .in fact, I see 2 of the LoZ characters being replaced by the 2 newer LoZ characters.

 

[Frogla]

Ok i can claim whatever i want as fact because im sure of it (Argue with me however you want, ive got an unlimited supply of backward logic). No really, its common sense If Marios roster spot is going to get a upgrade and you still expect Link to get (Link,Zelda,Sheik and Ganondorf) without any upgrade for charachter loss .
Now anyone who think Pokemon is three seperate charachter is dumb. Yes 3 different moveset but not three different people. Its not like Zelda/ Sheik and Samus/ZSS where you have a choice. pokemon trainer is a force switch. And thus making you have to be good with him a one charachter. Not 2 different choices like Zelda and Shiek offer

 

[Boofer]

And LoZ got a jump in characters. . . but these where all important main characters in roles that are fulled up alot when a series gets more than one character. I don't expect LoZ to get 4 more slots added to it in brawl because of that jump. . .in fact, I see 2 of the LoZ characters being replaced by the 2 newer LoZ characters.

Oh well...I guess there's no changing your opinion. We'll have to agree to disagree; I still see PT as 1 character.

As for LoZ and it's important main characters, you cannot overlook the fact that Pokemon's main characters are not really set in stone (besides the pokemon trainer). All they can really do is base pokemon rep on popularity. Like I said, considering this, it could go either way; I think his chances are like 50/50.

btw I don't think Loz will replace sheik, if that's who you are talking about. I do think they'll replace young link though.

 

[Your Hero]

Ok i can claim whatever i want as fact because im sure of it (Argue with me however you want, ive got an unlimited supply of backward logic). No really, its common sense If Marios roster spot is going to get a upgrade and you still expect Link to get (Link,Zelda,Sheik and Ganondorf) without any upgrade for charachter loss .
Now anyone who think Pokemon is three seperate charachter is dumb. Yes 3 different moveset but not three different people. Its not like Zelda/ Sheik and Samus/ZSS where you have a choice. pokemon trainer is a force switch. And thus making you have to be good with him a one charachter. Not 2 different choices like Zelda and Shiek offer

Prove it. I've already said like a few posts before that In no way does the site say that you are forced to switch pokemon.

 

[Frogla]

Prove it. I've already said like a few posts before that In no way does the site say that you are forced to switch pokemon.

He needs to use his three Pokémon to fight.

Witty i am

 

[Your Hero]

No he doesn't.. Let me quote myself

Stamina? give me a break.. Stamina is there so that the player rotates pokemon so that they roate between the pokemon to play as a little of each so that they don;t abuse one of the pokemon throughout the battle. But no where on the site does it actually state "The pokemon will be automatically changed after a given time limit". That means that you are still allowed to play as the pokemon for the whole match if you'd like, it's just that you will be slower.

 

[Frogla]

Is... Is he issuing commands?!

He needs to use his three Pokémon to fight. So the only ones who fight directly are the Pokémon.

 

[Your Hero]

That doesn't prove anything. In no way does it say they have to change. Either way this thread isn't about PT, it's about lucario.

 

[Frogla]

That doesn't prove anything. In no way does it say they have to change. Either way this thread isn't about PT, it's about lucario.

then quit arguing with me, about my correct point to prove a topic.

Oh by the way you dont have to breath or eat. You can choose to not do those things you may die but like switching pokemon you dont have too.

 

[Your Hero]

You are such a pain. We're debating through pm.

 

[Frogla]

You are such a pain. We're debating through pm.

Lets have at it.

 

[kaid]

That doesn't prove anything. In no way does it say they have to change.

No, it just says that you DIE if you don't.

Generally, I consider death as something to be avoided, and I would think that is the generally accepted view. Don't quote me on that... as we all know, I'm just one person, talking about my own opinions. But if you do not think death is something to be avoided, I would ask you to demonstrate.

 

[Your Hero]

what the hell? It doesn;t say you die either. Omfg.. what's wrong with you people. I've already won the debate against Frogla, do you want me to debate you too?

 

[Collective of Bears]

No, it just says that you DIE if you don't.

Well, PT has a very easy way of avoiding that. Switch quickly! When your current poke is about to die, Down B 3 times quickly and you'll be back to normal. This ain't rocket science.

 

[MysticKenji]

No, it just says that you DIE if you don't.

Generally, I consider death as something to be avoided, and I would think that is the generally accepted view. Don't quote me on that... as we all know, I'm just one person, talking about my own opinions. But if you do not think death is something to be avoided, I would ask you to demonstrate.

I don't know if you were trying to be funny or what, but LOL

Also, CB, Sakurai said switching too quickly is also bad.

EDIT: Also, I went and finished my moveset.

 

[Collective of Bears]

Also, CB, Sakurai said switching too quickly is also bad.

However, we don't know the exact time frame for Stamina to kick in or how often you have to switch to get adverse effects. Let's say it takes 1 minute for Stamina to take it's toll. Will the 3 quick switches give backlash immedeately, or will it be fine? These, my friend, are questions that shall not be answered until Feb. 10th. So therefore, my theory has a 50/50 chance of being valid.

 

[Your Hero]

actually, it'll be answered after the japanese release date :]

 

[Collective of Bears]

actually, it'll be answered after the japanese release date :]

Oh yeah. Wait... When is it coming out in Japan?

 

[Your Hero]

24th of January (just checked for you)

 

[Collective of Bears]

24th of January

This is also the day we shall know the FACTS about Lucario. Is he in or out? Find out on January 24th (or maybe December 15th, who knows)!

 

[kaid]

Have you people considered that, like Ice Climbers in Melee, each pokemon could it's own stamina guage, and there would be NO regeneration? Considering that's how it worked in a previus game, overlooking the evidence is a grievius error.

Use one pokemon, and you can only take 1/3 the damage as if you use all three. Switch through all three back to the same pokemon, and it's still at the same amount of damage.

 

[Princess Diana]

Have you people considered that, like Ice Climbers in Melee, each pokemon could it's own stamina guage, and there would be NO regeneration? Considering that's how it worked in a previus game, overlooking the evidence is a grievius error.

Use one pokemon, and you can only take 1/3 the damage as if you use all three. Switch through all three back to the same pokemon, and it's still at the same amount of damage.

Didn't he say they all share the same damage meter?

 

[kaid]

They all share the same damage meter, so they don’t recover from damage during Pokémon Change. But they also have another stat, which you might call stamina.

If you keep fighting with the same Pokémon, or if you change them out too often, it’s not so good for the Pokémon.

If you want to be a good Pokémon Trainer, you’ll need to learn these kinds of ins and outs.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pokemon_trainer.html

 

[Black/Light]

Have you people considered that, like Ice Climbers in Melee, each pokemon could it's own stamina guage, and there would be NO regeneration? Considering that's how it worked in a previus game, overlooking the evidence is a grievius error.

Use one pokemon, and you can only take 1/3 the damage as if you use all three. Switch through all three back to the same pokemon, and it's still at the same amount of damage.

Umm, wth are you talking about? That quote above only shows that something happens if you change too much or not enuff. We have no idea what happens. . . maybe w/e this stamina thing is is reversed if you don't use the over used pokemon for a few mins. (Hell, we don't even know what happens if you use one for a long time)

 

[kaid]

Im basing my statement off the Stamina Stat, which is used in stamina Mode, where people get stamina stats that, when used up, result in a KO.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various04.html

 

[Black/Light]

Im basing my statement off the Stamina Stat, which is used in stamina Mode, where people get stamina stats that, when used up, result in a KO.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various04.html

. . .So you are getting this from something that has nothing to do with Pokemon Trainer?

So what "bad thing" happens if you change too often going by this completely different thing in the game that has noting to do with PT?

 

[Princess Diana]

Im basing my statement off the Stamina Stat, which is used in stamina Mode, where people get stamina stats that, when used up, result in a KO.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/gamemode/various/various04.html

Er umm ok then... i guess... even if they do share stamina or whatever that doesn't mean they put any less effort and time into making them than other characters if that's the point you're trying to make.

 

[Rubydragon]

I doubt someone will unlock all the characters on the first day, if some are as long as Mewtwo.

Maybe by the 30th latest we'll know all the characters, it depends on how much ground the Japanese can cover...

 

[Black/Light]

I doubt someone will unlock all the characters on the first day, if some are as long as Mewtwo.

Maybe by the 30th latest we'll know all the characters, it depends on how much ground the Japanese can cover...

Game guilds are sold alot of the time AT or BEFORE the release of the game. Like how In SMG the official guide to it revealed that

Spoiler

you can play as Luigi if you get every star

before the game was released in Japan.
Im still looking hoping the CC mag reveals all.

 

[kaid]

. . .So you are getting this from something that has nothing to do with Pokemon Trainer?

So what "bad thing" happens if you change too often going by this completely different thing in the game that has noting to do with PT?

If it is really stamina, as Sakura claims, than changing too often back to the same one wears away that same pokemon's stamina. Also, the vulnerable change time also lets the opponent get a few free hits in.

 

[Black/Light]

If it is really stamina, as Sakura claims, than changing too often back to the same one wears away that same pokemon's stamina. Also, the vulnerable change time also lets the opponent get a few free hits in.

Untill Sakurai comes out and tells us what it is your guess is as good as anyone else's. . . and no one else is guessing this so you seem to be solo.

 

[kaid]

Well then, let's get semi-back on topic- Why, if PT is really considered 3 characters in Sakurai's mind, is it one Newcomer, while Zero suit and Samus listed as separate characters? Do you think Shiel will have her own entry, (if she returns) and why?

 

[Black/Light]

Well then, let's get semi-back on topic- Why, if PT is really considered 3 characters in Sakurai's mind, is it one Newcomer, while Zero suit and Samus listed as separate characters? Do you think Shiel will have her own entry, (if she returns) and why?

Simple, as I said before. . .

There is not PT without Char/ Squirt/ Ivy. . . there fore theres no reason to update them saperatley nor any reason to seperate them with icons. They make up a 3 man team of playable pokemon and can be used at any time when you choose Red.

Zero, on the other hand, is the result of a FS. She was made so that you would not and could not be her unless you where Samus and you did your FS attack. Samus is her own, complete self at any point in the fight and never has the power to go Zero untill she does her Final Smash and Zero is her own complete self without the power to go Reg at any moment. Once you are Zero or Samus theres no other choice. . .you are Zero or Samus untill you smash that smash ball.

And I truely don't see Sheik coming back at all.

 

[Rubydragon]

I forgot about the game guide. It's how I found out all of Melee's cast before even placing the game in my Gamecube disc tray.

You have kind of answered your own question. Pokemon trainer is the master, the commander, the owner. The character could be called Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard, but that would be quite odd, don't you think? That would also imply that the pokeball from the 'pokemon change' move, came out from the sky or something. This is more unique, and better because I'd rather one character slot wasted than three. It's quite original.

I can't tell you anything about Shiek, yet.

Zero Suit Samus has everything that makes her her own character. Four B attacks, a Final Smash; the works. Notice how POKEMON TRAINER has one Final Smash? And not each of the Pokemon? I'm sure you will be able to play as Zero Suit Samus right from the begining (like Shiek), and I wouldn't doubt you would be able to cancel Samus loosing/gaining her suit durring her final smashes. That is just my opinion.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

I hope characters won't be like Mewtwo in Melee. It was so time consuming.

 

[Rubydragon]

On an off topic note:

You know, I hear people complaining that they don't want this game to only have TP Zelda Characters, and suggest WW Link, and yet they dislike or think Shiek won't come back... Shiek is the bridge that makes this game have two Zelda universes.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

On an off topic note:

You know, I hear people complaining that they don't want this game to only have TP Zelda Characters, and suggest WW Link, and yet they dislike or think Shiek won't come back... Shiek is the bridge that makes this game have two Zelda universes.

As said before, though modeled after the latest game(TP) that is Smash Zelda and Smash Link, nuff said