The Lucario Shrine

[Black/Light]

On an off topic note:

You know, I hear people complaining that they don't want this game to only have TP Zelda Characters, and suggest WW Link, and yet they dislike or think Shiek won't come back... Shiek is the bridge that makes this game have two Zelda universes.

Sheik is the cancer that holds Zelda back. . .

 

[vesperview]

Sheik is the cancer that holds Zelda back. . .

QFT!

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[Rubydragon]

^Can't agree with you more though.

My friend always used Shiek, not Zelda. I would hate him for it, and in fact, he didn't even know how to turn into Sheik at the beginning of a match... I never taught him.

So, Lucario would be quick, ya?

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

I'm quite sure he would.

 

[MysticKenji]

I'd say he's medium speed.

 

[kaid]

Running speed decent, but not exceptional, with good jumping. Attacks won't exactly be coming out slowly, either.

 

[Rubydragon]

Good, I like fast characters (besides for Ike and Bowser).

 

[raphtmarqui]

I'd say he's medium speed.

I think he should be about Shiek running speed.

 

[Rubydragon]

He ran pretty quickly in the movie.

 

[raphtmarqui]

He ran pretty quickly in the movie.

Exactly, he should be fairly swift.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Yeah, he would need to run and move fast, with strongish attacks.

EDIT:

Basically, just be swift. His attacks wouldn't need to be that strong really, just high knockback is what I'm thinking.

 

[Boofer]

Sheik is the cancer that holds Zelda back. . .

You don't want Sheik nor Lucario in this game? Wow, we're total opposites (well except for Marina in your sig...she's also badass).

They all share the same damage meter, so they don’t recover from damage during Pokémon Change. But they also have another stat, which you might call stamina.

If you keep fighting with the same Pokémon, or if you change them out too often, it’s not so good for the Pokémon.

If you want to be a good Pokémon Trainer, you’ll need to learn these kinds of ins and outs.

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/chara...n_trainer.html

How can people read this and STILL not see pokemon trainer as one character? I'm sorry, but the fact that you're forced to change movesets means that those 3 movesets = 1. You can't just be good with one of them, you have to be good with them all.

 

[Black/Light]

How can people read this and STILL not see pokemon trainer as one character? I'm sorry, but the fact that you're forced to change movesets means that those 3 movesets = 1. You can't just be good with one of them, you have to be good with them all.

. . . Point out where it was every said that you where fourced to change characters? Im sorry, but one person making a assumption about stamina when none of us know a thing about it=/=them being correct
We simply know something happens if you abuse either your power to change at anytime or if you choose to be one pokemon too long. . .that in no way takes away from the fact that they are 3 playable pokemon.

It's still 3 playable pokemon. . . no matter how you flip it/ flop it/ twist it/ turn it/ slap it/ spin it. I think that this is only a problem for people who want more pokemon to seem to accept.

 

[MysticKenji]

Reposting moveset so everyone can see it.

Also, I'd appriciate(sp?) it if we could get some links to other people's movesets in the OP.

 

[Boofer]

. . . Point out where it was every said that you where fourced to change characters? Im sorry, but one person making a assumption about stamina when none of us know a thing about it=/=them being correct
We simply know something happens if you abuse either your power to change at anytime or if you choose to be one pokemon too long. . .that in no way takes away from the fact that they are 3 playable pokemon.

It's still 3 playable pokemon. . . no matter how you flip it/ flop it/ twist it/ turn it/ slap it/ spin it. I think that this is only a problem for people who want more pokemon to seem to accept.

If you keep fighting with the same Pokémon, or if you change them out too often, it’s not so good for the Pokémon.

If you want to be a good Pokémon Trainer, you’ll need to learn these kinds of ins and outs.

Well let me correct myself, you're going to need to change if you want to be good with the pokemon trainer. Regardless of what exactly happends, it's going to affect the use of the pokemon.

 

[Boofer]

Sorry for the double post, but it won't let me edit my original.

I realise that you can play as 3 pokemon, but the fact that they share the same Hp and that there are consequences for not switching means it is more like 1 big moveset than 3 separate movesets. It seems he IS trying to force you to switch. Unlike Sheik and Zelda, chances are we are not going to be able to say that "I main Charizard" or "I main Squirtle." We're probably going to have to say "I main Pokemon trainer."

 

[Princess Diana]

Reposting moveset so everyone can see it.

Also, I'd appriciate(sp?) it if we could get some links to other people's movesets in the OP.

What do you mean by standard? That's kinda confusing

 

[kaid]

I added a link to your moveset, MysticKenji.

Anyone else with a moveset, post a link to it, and I'll add to the OP.

 

[Your Hero]

You don't want Sheik nor Lucario in this game? Wow, we're total opposites (well except for Marina in your sig...she's also badass).



How can people read this and STILL not see pokemon trainer as one character? I'm sorry, but the fact that you're forced to change movesets means that those 3 movesets = 1. You can't just be good with one of them, you have to be good with them all.

This is a quote from something I said through a debate in pm.

I consider it three because:
-Three different pokemon; three different movesets.
-It's the same as sheik, where you have the choice to alternate between her and Zelda.
-In no way are they forced to switch between themselves, all that happens is that they have stamina,

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which means they're completely unactive and need to switch so they can grab a snak or something

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-Why would Sakurai make PT and only consider it one representation (not one character, don't you dare quote some crap from the DOJO site).
-They don't have their own page because unlike Zsamus, she will most likely have her own character option on the character select screen, since they both change between one another through an item [smash ball].

 

[Rubydragon]

No, we're going to take the information from someone who doesn't know anything...

 

[E-Z-MONEY]

Reposting moveset so everyone can see it.

Also, I'd appriciate(sp?) it if we could get some links to other people's movesets in the OP.

Cool moveset. I really like the down B pulses. Actually it would be cool if it was chargeable (But not storable) and at full charge it released all three. Hmmm I think I'm going to make my own special move set. Be back later.

 

[E-Z-MONEY]

I'm not good at stats or A attacks so those can be whatever.


^throw:Luster Cannon
Grabs and throws the opponent straight upward. Lucario puts his hands to the sky and fires a beam of light at the airborne foe.

>Throw: Focus Punch
Holds the opponent for a moment while it's fist glows. Punches the foe with great power snding them flying.

<throw: Metal Claw
Tosses the opponent a bit into the air,impales on the paw spikes, pivots and throws.

vthrow:Aura Sphere Rain
slams opponent into the ground and jums a bit. fires multiple small aura spheres downward from his palms.

B: Aura Sphere
Chargeable but not storable. Slightly weaker than Samus's charge ball but it curves towards the closest opponent.

>B: Dragon/Dark/Water Pulse
Does nothing if not charged. non storable. When charged to it's minimum level it will randomly unleash one effect. If it is charged to it's second threshold it will unleash two of them and at it's third it will use all three. At it's forth level all of the attacks will travel farther and increase in power. It charges quickly. It will power up slower as it goes on. When charging is released Lucario will unleash the attack with very little lag time. Lucario can move while charging but only very slowly.
Lucario sends out a pulse of energy around with varied types.
Dragon Pulse is the strongest and does nothing special.
Dark Pulse is medium strength and can stun the opponent.
Water Pulse is the weakest, but has a chance of switching the functions of the buttons for standard and special attacks.


^B: Extremespeed
For a moment in the air Lucario will stop. This will also be an air dodge so Lucario cannot be hurt. While he is stopped move the control stick in the desired flight path. Lucario will then rocket towards that point with an animation similar to Fox and Falcos illusion dash attack. It does damage along it's path but does not cause an opponent to flinch. It only does a small amount of damage. Little lag time when landing. Requires a bit of practice to use effectively.


VB: Metal Sound
Stuns and breaks the sheilds of all players urrounding Lucario. While this attack is being held all projectiles around lucario are canceled. Lessens in radius over time until it is gone. There is a bit of lag going into it.

FS: Detect/Anticipate/Mind Reader/Calm mind/Swords Dance aka Awakening
For a while Lucario's speed and power are increased substanially. Whenever attacked he will use a powerful counter attack. Projectiles are reflected back at the opponent. During htis time all his attacks are fully charged.

 

[Princess Diana]

That final smash seems kinda broken... Unless all his attacks are really laggy or something... Since he counters and reflects there's no way to hurt him. But i don't know everyone will probably run to the edges or something

Random Survey: what would you do if whenever you tried to think up some moves or taunts or stuff for lucario that someone quoted you and went "too bad cause pokeballs don't have 'insert what you were talking about'? just wanna know... >_>;

 

[Rubydragon]

I'd simply state the stupidity of that person, because Pokeballs have both attacks and (some) taunts that go with them.

Now, Final Smashes would be a different story, or costumes...

 

[E-Z-MONEY]

That final smash seems kinda broken... Unless all his attacks are really laggy or something... Since he counters and reflects there's no way to hurt him. But i don't know everyone will probably run to the edges or something

Random Survey: what would you do if whenever you tried to think up some moves or taunts or stuff for lucario that someone quoted you and went "too bad cause pokeballs don't have 'insert what you were talking about'? just wanna know... >_>;

On a large stage he can kill two people at best. On a smaller one he can do 3 at best. It doesn't last all that long.

It would annoy the hell out of me and I would proceed to go to their houses and beat the crap out of them.

 

[kaid]

-In no way are they forced to switch between themselves, all that happens is that they have stamina,

You have no idea what "stamina" means in this context, something you and blacklight have been harping on for awhile. This means you have no idea how accurate your statement is... and therefore that argument must be thrown out.

Even leaving aside Sakurai's OTHER use of the word Stamina (Stamina mode), let's look at it from the perspective of something new.

stam·i·na1
–noun
strength of physical constitution; power to endure disease, fatigue, privation, etc.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Stamina

Now let's think about this for a moment. What happens when you succumb to a disease? Give way to fatigue?

What generally happens when you run out of stamina?

 

[Megablueblaster]

*joins lucario shrine*

 

[MysticKenji]

FS: Detect/Anticipate/Mind Reader/Calm mind/Swords Dance aka Awakening
For a while Lucario's speed and power are increased substanially. Whenever attacked he will use a powerful counter attack. Projectiles are reflected back at the opponent. During htis time all his attacks are fully charged.

Um...Anticipate isn't a Pokemon attack...

Also, how long does it last?

 

[Lupo Aro]

Um...Anticipate isn't a Pokemon attack...

Also, how long does it last?

Anticipate is the Japanese name of Me First, iirc.

 

[Your Hero]

I used those reasons in a debate.. Don't bother fighting against me on the case of stamina, because you know just as much as I do. Besides, that's not the only definition of stamina.

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-Stamina: Endurance, Staying Power

-stamina
A noun
1 stamina, staying power, toughness

enduring strength and energy

-Stamina is the ability to last for a decent amount of time when doing an activity - usually a long or particularily straining activity such as a marathon, without becoming too exhasted or tired.

I lasted the whole football match - I have good stamina!

My stamina is excellent - I won a marathon
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And I seriously just chose those at random. Typed in "stamina dictionary" (w/o the quotes) and chose random definitions on google. (although the first one was using babylon)

So yeaa. Who cares what stamina seems like in melee, I'm pretty sure Sakurai is not ******** to think it means "to eventually die", because it's not true.

 

[kaid]

Alright, so using your own definitions... Consider that it's a stat, which means it is compared to something. This implies that it can be surpassed.

What is the logical result of a hypothetical Stamina Stat being exceded? Obviously you DIDN'T have enough stamina to finish that marathon...

 

[Your Hero]

it's basically going to make you slower, if we're going to be exact on it's definitions. It still doesnlt mean that the pokemon will die, nor that you are forced to change pokemon.

Either way, this is a lucario thread, not a pokemon trainer thread.

 

[Fawriel]

A significant decrease in performance of an exhausted Pokemon forces you to switch unless you like losing.
Of course keeping a single Pokemon out too long won't make Sakurai appear next to you with a gun threatening to kill you if you don't switch.

End discussion.

 

[Your Hero]

It's your choice if you feel like switching. It's not done automatically for you.

 

[MysticKenji]

Of course not. That would be stupid.

 

[kaid]

it's basically going to make you slower, if we're going to be exact on it's definitions. It still doesnlt mean that the pokemon will die, nor that you are forced to change pokemon.

Either way, this is a lucario thread, not a pokemon trainer thread.

Depends on the definition. It might be a gradual slowing... or it might skip straight to Shield Break. Either way, unless you know at least two of the three pokemon, you're going to get your *** handed to you in any competitive enviroment.

 

[Rubydragon]

I doubt we even know what stamina truly does...

 

[kaid]

Sure we can. Custom map- enclosed box, Stock match, no time limit. We can test all possibilities.

 

[MysticKenji]

All we know about stamina CURRENTLY is that it hurts you in some way.

We should probably take this to the PT boards though.

 

[kaid]

This is all just one big extention of disproving "we have too many pokemon already!!1!"