The Legendary Heroes of Galar - Zacian and Zamazenta for Smash

Which would you rather see get in Smash as a newcomer?

  • Zacian

  • Zamazenta


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Main post finally updated. Not sure if many people will come to read it, but it's there.

Anyway, I was thinking of renaming this thread. Part of the reason is because of the Sirfetch'd thread, but also because Zacian and Zamazenta are never referred to as knights in SwSh. Here's what I was considering:

1. Galar's Greatest Warriors: Zacian and Zamazenta for Smash
2. The Legendary Heroes of Galar: Zacian and Zamazenta for Smash
3. Stop the Darkest Day: Zacian and Zamazenta for Smash

Does anyone have a preference, or would you prefer I keep the current title?
those titles maybe ever so slightly spoilery

The current title is pretty good, but i'm digging #2 personally.

Anyway, maybe it's too soon to say, but what is your favorite pokemon from the galar region?
I haven't really decided on which I love the most, given my opinions are mostly based on fanart and bits of gameplay.
(Is it still too soon to stop using the spoilers tab for the new pokemon?)
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I didn't get much feedback, but I went ahead and changed the title of the thread. Personally, I think this one is more fitting.

Also, I'm working on a review of Sword and Shield. Hoping I can have it done by this weekend.
 
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Zacian's just a wolf with a sword. So many people are fed up with sword users in smash. That's why the Sora for smash fanbase has shrunk. Honestly, I don't want either. No 4-lrgged pokemon with no vines or similar will ever work in smash. If they were to add any Pokemon to Smash,

I'd prefer Blaziken. Or Intelleon, I can see that working very well. But, if I had to pick one Pokemon, It'd be Chandelure.

Zacian and Zamazenta are Spirits.
 

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Zacian's just a wolf with a sword. So many people are fed up with sword users in smash. That's why the Sora for smash fanbase has shrunk. Honestly, I don't want either. No 4-lrgged pokemon with no vines or similar will ever work in smash. If they were to add any Pokemon to Smash,

I'd prefer Blaziken. Or Intelleon, I can see that working very well. But, if I had to pick one Pokemon, It'd be Chandelure.

Zacian and Zamazenta are Spirits.
I think you're putting a few nonexistent limits right there.

For one, there's zero rules that specifically say that spirits can't become playable characters (if it were true, the vast majority of requested 1st & 2nd party characters wouldn't be picked and would drastically limit the selection of potential nintendo dlc characters).

For second, if Sakurai can make up movesets for many of the characters in the game with little basis or even struggle to think up a moveset for (Game & Watch, R.O.B., Captain Falcon, Wii Fit Trainer, Jigglypuff, Duck Hunt, Piranha Plant, Villager, Pac-Man, Mii, etc.) I highly doubt a quad character would be too hard to implement. Plus Zacian has ribbons to hold it's sword which could also work a bit like Ivysaur's vines.
Let's not rule out any specific archetype of characters too prematurely.

I'm pretty sure if Sakurai wants to add a character whether they have a sword or not he will add them anyways (people are only tired of sword characters because of Fire Emblem's sudden increase of characters back in smash 4 and since then Sakurai has consistently added many characters that use swords and for the most part people don't bat an eye).
And I personally haven't seen the Sora hype drop too much from my experience.

But regardless, to each their own.
 
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I think you're putting a few nonexistent limits right there.

For one, there's zero rules that specifically say that spirits can't become playable characters (if it were true, the vast majority of requested 1st & 2nd party characters wouldn't be picked and would drastically limit the selection of potential nintendo dlc characters).

For second, if Sakurai can make up movesets for many of the characters in the game with little basis or even struggle to think up a moveset for (Game & Watch, R.O.B., Captain Falcon, Wii Fit Trainer, Jigglypuff, Duck Hunt, Piranha Plant, Villager, Pac-Man, Mii, etc.) I highly doubt a quad character would be too hard to implement. Plus Zacian has ribbons to hold it's sword which could also work a bit like Ivysaur's vines.
Let's not rule out any specific archetype of characters too prematurely.

I'm pretty sure if Sakurai wants to add a character whether they have a sword or not he will add them anyways (people are only tired of sword characters because of Fire Emblem's sudden increase of characters back in smash 4 and since then Sakurai has consistently added many characters that use swords and for the most part people don't bat an eye).
And I personally haven't seen the Sora hype drop too much from my experience.

But regardless, to each their own.
Just so you know, Duck Hunt has the duck as well. I could kinda see Zamazenta bringing something new to the table, but Zacian? That's already been done through the who knows how many Fire Emblem Characters, and Link, and Meta Knight. But I do like the idea of them witching out as a duo. Honestly though, I think they should do an Ice Climbers thing with Plusle and Minun.

Also Zacian holds his Sword in it's mouth, not with the ribbons.

He had lots for Game & Watch, Wii Fit, Jigglypuff, Piranha Plant, Mii and Pac-Man. Besides, I just think that he shouldn't give characters who are spirits or assists or anything else the player character treatment.

They also don't have what (most of) the other cast do - they aren't famous enough. Even Piranha Plant - sure, it's dumb - but it's known enough. Game & Watch, Duck Hunt, Ice Climbers and ROB are retro and are all unique. These two aren't unique enough for me. Toxtricity or Chandelure would be better.

My opinion, just saying.
 
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I think they should do an Ice Climbers thing with Plusle and Minun.
I do to, but I'm not gonna go into other Pokemon threads and complain about them being similar to other fighters, especially when similarities with Pikachu are inevitable with them.
 
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Just so you know, Duck Hunt has the duck as well. I could kinda see Zamazenta bringing something new to the table, but Zacian? That's already been done through the who knows how many Fire Emblem Characters, and Link, and Meta Knight. But I do like the idea of them witching out as a duo. Honestly though, I think they should do an Ice Climbers thing with Plusle and Minun.

Also Zacian holds his Sword in it's mouth, not with the ribbons.

He had lots for Game & Watch, Wii Fit, Jigglypuff, Piranha Plant, Mii and Pac-Man. Besides, I just think that he shouldn't give characters who are spirits or assists or anything else the player character treatment.

They also don't have what (most of) the other cast do - they aren't famous enough. Even Piranha Plant - sure, it's dumb - but it's known enough. Game & Watch, Duck Hunt, Ice Climbers and ROB are retro and are all unique. These two aren't unique enough for me. Toxtricity or Chandelure would be better.

My opinion, just saying.
so you a wolf with a sword in its mouth would be no different than the guys who wield it in their hands? also the sora support hasnt gone down. as for famous enough, the version mascots, every gen the most recognisable pokemon are the version mascots and the starters
 
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Everyone sees Pokemon differently. A lot of people thought Incineroar would never even get a glimpse of Smash because there was absolutely no way it would get in over the brilliant Decidueye. Look who got the last laugh.

I can't speak for Sakurai on whether or not he'll see the appeal in Zacian and/or Zamazenta, but I can say that both are very notable Pokemon from this Gen. I feel like that's enough for him to at least consider the idea. And if neither end up getting in and I get burned from the loss, oh well. At least I had fun supporting them with other people who thought they would be cool.
 
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Zacian's just a wolf with a sword. So many people are fed up with sword users in smash. That's why the Sora for smash fanbase has shrunk. Honestly, I don't want either. No 4-lrgged pokemon with no vines or similar will ever work in smash. If they were to add any Pokemon to Smash,

I'd prefer Blaziken. Or Intelleon, I can see that working very well. But, if I had to pick one Pokemon, It'd be Chandelure.

Zacian and Zamazenta are Spirits.
1. Swordfighters aren't automatically gonna be hated cause they have a sword. The only reason this issue existed was because of fire emblem, which makes sense, as it has a large character pool to choose from.
2. Since when did Sora's fanbase shrink? If you're talking about thread inactivity or something, that doesn't really count. Just look at this one.
3. Since when are quadrupeds bad? Just cause there aren't many doesn't mean they are out. Like I mean, heck, chandelure, your recommended character, doesn't even have legs and floats to move. That's harder to get working than a quadruped. And if you say "Dark Samus floats so it's fine.", that doesn't mean much, as there are more quadrupeds than floaters in smash.
4. I cringe every time I hear this argument. There is nothing deconfirming spirits. To an extent, even if I don't believe this would happen, assist trophies could also promote, even if the chances are slim. None of your arguments for spirits deconfirming fighters hold water either.
5. Why did you post this here? Just cause you don't like the characters doesn't mean you should go to the heart of the community and trash talk them. That's more rude than anything. Keep those thoughts to yourself, maybe oft quote it in another thread sometime. But don't be rude to a whole community up front. Trust me, I've learned my lesson on that one already.
Just so you know, Duck Hunt has the duck as well. I could kinda see Zamazenta bringing something new to the table, but Zacian? That's already been done through the who knows how many Fire Emblem Characters, and Link, and Meta Knight. But I do like the idea of them witching out as a duo. Honestly though, I think they should do an Ice Climbers thing with Plusle and Minun.

Also Zacian holds his Sword in it's mouth, not with the ribbons.

He had lots for Game & Watch, Wii Fit, Jigglypuff, Piranha Plant, Mii and Pac-Man. Besides, I just think that he shouldn't give characters who are spirits or assists or anything else the player character treatment.

They also don't have what (most of) the other cast do - they aren't famous enough. Even Piranha Plant - sure, it's dumb - but it's known enough. Game & Watch, Duck Hunt, Ice Climbers and ROB are retro and are all unique. These two aren't unique enough for me. Toxtricity or Chandelure would be better.

My opinion, just saying.
1. You didn't exactly clarify. The duck doesn't change the fact that duck hunt is quadruped.
2. Sakurai already knows mostly everyone hates the swordfighters, that's why he was trying to bring something new to the table when creating Robin, Corrin, and Hero. You guys were literally campaigning for Ganondorf to have a sword since melee, so that argument doesn't hold water either.
3. I don't really have much to say on this one.
4. There has been official artwork of Zacian holding the sword in it's ribbons, so it's canon.
5. That's your own opinion man. Don't start spreading opinion as fact. It just leads to more toxicity in the community.
6. Not famous enough? Sakurai said himself, if they are unique and fun to use, it doesn't matter if the character is famous or not.
7. Any pokemon can be unique, due to their large movepool. And even then, we saw with greninja and incineroar that Sakurai can make something original out of unreleased things yet.
8. We already heard your opinion man. If you want to champion for these characters, make their threads. Support them. Build up support in the community. Instead of complaining, just do it yourself.
 
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1. Swordfighters aren't automatically gonna be hated cause they have a sword. The only reason this issue existed was because of fire emblem, which makes sense, as it has a large character pool to choose from.
2. Since when did Sora's fanbase shrink? If you're talking about thread inactivity or something, that doesn't really count. Just look at this one.
3. Since when are quadrupeds bad? Just cause there aren't many doesn't mean they are out. Like I mean, heck, chandelure, your recommended character, doesn't even have legs and floats to move. That's harder to get working than a quadruped. And if you say "Dark Samus floats so it's fine.", that doesn't mean much, as there are more quadrupeds than floaters in smash.
4. I cringe every time I hear this argument. There is nothing deconfirming spirits. To an extent, even if I don't believe this would happen, assist trophies could also promote, even if the chances are slim. None of your arguments for spirits deconfirming fighters hold water either.
5. Why did you post this here? Just cause you don't like the characters doesn't mean you should go to the heart of the community and trash talk them. That's more rude than anything. Keep those thoughts to yourself, maybe oft quote it in another thread sometime. But don't be rude to a whole community up front. Trust me, I've learned my lesson on that one already./QUOTE]

On 5, I was bullied because i wanted Chandelure in the 1st party thread. The worst part? They said I was bullying the,
Honestly, I thought about it more, and they could do something cool with these two or it'd flop. Badly.
They're now on my Sm6sh wishlist - low on it, but there. Not as Ultimate DLC tho.
Lemme see the quads - Ivysaur and Duck Hunt (Piranha Plant?)
Floaters - Dark Samus
 
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