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Lanuigi made a video about it on YouTube.
Just watched it thanks. I agree easy super punch and straight missile look good so far. B#2 fireballs are cool because they drop down when you're in the air. I'd still want to test out UpB#3 just because its giving me looks-can-be-deceiving vibe but time will tell... come on Wii U release date!
I probably didn't give Luigi enough of a chance, but he seemed to be worse than he was in Brawl. At the least, being offstage was definitely worse. Missle is slower both with movement speed and cooldown, and it doesn't travel as much distance as it did before (even with misfire). Cyclone also does not rise as high from jumping cyclone and it doesn't even do anything when you attempt a non-jumping cyclone in the air (and I'm a monster at mashing B).
With how it's (first impressions are) going so far, most characters need custom moves to be relevant.
I haven't looked much into custom moves yet so I can't say anything on that. Luigi's lack of recovery was a huge letdown for me but finally seeing his custom moves gives me a lot of hope.
From what I seen with Fox's, Ganondorf's, Ike's, Mega Man's, and Zelda's custom moves threads, the general consensus is that the default moves are less effective than the custom ones. They're not bad, but people see the new moves and their possibilities and feel that the custom moves are much better. First impressions as always. DmC: Devil May Cry's combat was bashed since trailers, the demo, and release, but some players were able to pull off wicked stuff with lots of research and experimenting.
But just double jump and upb aren't enough imo. I have a strong feeling that the metagame will eventually evolve to where chasing offstage to edgeguard will become commonplace and if that does happen, Luigi is screwed. His missle is predictable and has little priority as it did before but now it is slower and easier to punish both on and off the stage as well. Cyclone stays easy to punish offstage but does not give you enough of an upwards boost as before. And when comparing this to other characters' recoveries, you can see that Luigi will just fall into low-mid to low tier as he was in Brawl.
Just gotta hope custom moveset tourneys are approved etc. Which should happen since it'll give reason to running 3DS tourneys alonside Wii U tourneys once both games are released.
Definitely understand where you are coming from. I feel that people will defeitely try to edgeguard because people survive for much longer in Sm4sh. But I still have to be optimsitic (at least for now). I mean Little Mac is designed to be similar in the sense that he is a beast onground and pretty bad at recovering. Future not looking bright but still some chance
Most noteworthy thing here is that Luigi's up B has about 1/3 of the helpless state as Brawl up B. Guess that's a double edge sword for recovery though.
Damn I forgot to include the custom moves bit. The original Cyclone is still good but either or I need to test to see which is better. I don't think you can go so wrong to pick one or the other though.
Tested it some more just now and never mind. I feel the Mach Cyclone is better and can definitely help. Although its hard to use in combat but its a good trade.
Yes pretty fast. Give or take Brawl
Does this mean you can't have Luigi preform an up smash while he's sliding? I loved doing that in Brawl...
You can still attempt to Up-Smash while running before you let go of the stick and do the "slidiing animation". The slide for that is less than Brawl but its still there. But you must charge the up-smash before you let go of the circle pad otherwise you just slide and be stuck in that sort of sliding thing
Ah! So it is still in Smash 4! Thank you!
I see. Thank you.
Kinda funny... but mostly sad. This will make recovering as Luigi a bit more tedious and painful. The most painful part of maining Luigi are his easily gimpable recovery moves and it doesn't sound like they entirely improved it here.
I definitely agree. Luigi in Brawl is easily my favorite rendition. Well, I wish his missile and fireball were slightly more useful is my only complaint. [Fireball definitely look faster in SSB4].
Can Luigi Cyclone still get good height right after a midair jump?
...Then again it never really was a good option for approaching anyway.Oh geez Green Missile getting out prioritized like that is just a joke.
You hear that a lot about him, dunno how much of it is true really. He's always Luigi to me. Even if this is the case, I feel like the tiers in this game might not be incredibly definitive(the balance seems really good.)