Maharba the Mystic
Smash Master
also lack of the opposing characters input is a big issue when you have like 12 people total in the US that use pit in tourney lol
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The Heavenly Scriptures:A Pit Q&A thread!
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theONEjanitor
Smash Champion
i mean does no one know the matchups?
this is why i hate the way smashboards has they're forums set up.
if you know how to fight a character, you should be able to make a thread and share your knowledge at any time. not wait 12 months for the omg official character matchup thread.
maybe the reason no one plays pit is because there's no info on how to play him lol
this is why i hate the way smashboards has they're forums set up.
if you know how to fight a character, you should be able to make a thread and share your knowledge at any time. not wait 12 months for the omg official character matchup thread.
maybe the reason no one plays pit is because there's no info on how to play him lol
Maharba the Mystic
Smash Master
i made a thread like that once. hell just look at the old *** MU thread if u need a general idea on something. there is usually something worth noting in there
Damix91
Smash Journeyman
Pretty sure AP has basic notes on like every character.
theONEjanitor
Smash Champion
where?
okay, if you're opponent is standing in front of you with his shield up, and he's pretty close, but outside of your abysmal grab range, what do you do?
does it depend on the character? is there a general good option. do you walk forward and grab? probably not because they'll react to your movement. Nair past their shield? retreating dair? d-smash and hope for a shield poke?
i'm sure there's a few good options.
like what is your gut reaction to this kind of situation.
okay, if you're opponent is standing in front of you with his shield up, and he's pretty close, but outside of your abysmal grab range, what do you do?
does it depend on the character? is there a general good option. do you walk forward and grab? probably not because they'll react to your movement. Nair past their shield? retreating dair? d-smash and hope for a shield poke?
i'm sure there's a few good options.
like what is your gut reaction to this kind of situation.
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Walk away pivot arrow would be a general action that wouldn't really be affected by the mu bar IC
Gadiel_VaStar
Smash Champion
http://allisbrawl.com/group.aspx?id=9800
You would have to send a request, and ask admiral to join the group.
If opponent is close, arrow is not good, even run away pivot if they chase after you. It's good to pressure opponents, maybe with side-b, maybe infinite jab or jab cancels, maybe a spaced d-tilt.
All of those things are safe except maybe nair and dsmash.
It also depends on the character, I wouldn't try rushing DDD with any of those moves except a full hopped spaced dair.
I know you're trying to get better with Pit, and some of it is just playing and finding what works best for you. Pit can be played in many ways--it's just what you're comfortable with.
Maybe if I can make it to an AL tournament, I can help you more..
Loz8ichimaru
Smash Apprentice
Just wanted to ask how staling of moves works with moves that have multiple hit boxes or sweet spots and sour spots?
Eg. If I hit someone with Pits B-air (sour spot) will in diminish the power of his B-air (sweet spot) ?
Or if I hit with say the first hit only of Upsmash or F-smash, will it diminish the power of either move if used again and all hits connect?
Eg. If I hit someone with Pits B-air (sour spot) will in diminish the power of his B-air (sweet spot) ?
Or if I hit with say the first hit only of Upsmash or F-smash, will it diminish the power of either move if used again and all hits connect?
Luckay4Lyphe
Smash Master
Yes it does, which sucks for our fsmash if that happens.
BOrookie
Smash Cadet
Hi, I'm new here (as clearly stated by post count 
) and I had a quick question. I use the GCN controller when playing, with tap jump on. This is useful for wingdashing (very much in fact) but impedes on my ability to arrow loop. So my question is : should I try to learn wingdashing with a button jump rather than tap jump? This being so that I can arrow loop better (aka not jump off the stage). Any response is greatly appreciated!
) and I had a quick question. I use the GCN controller when playing, with tap jump on. This is useful for wingdashing (very much in fact) but impedes on my ability to arrow loop. So my question is : should I try to learn wingdashing with a button jump rather than tap jump? This being so that I can arrow loop better (aka not jump off the stage). Any response is greatly appreciated!
Maharba the Mystic
Smash Master
first off, tap jump off tends to be better for buffering certain things later on when you are more advanced, however it makes some out of shield stuff easier so it's up to you wats more important. second off, try to do your best NOT to arrow loop in game unless you really feel like that loop is gonna come with a lot more reward (like a gimp or a grab or a fsmash) than just spamming arrows would (looking cool but only getting 5 damage from a fancy loop is not worth losing the 15+ damage in spammed arrows which 9/10 times is gonna be the smartest option).
don't you dare start planking until you've thoroughly learned your onstage game. planking can get you far at first, but afterwords you'll be trying to catch up to the onstage game and it's a lot harder to do after you're used to planking your way to victory (i currently am the epitome of this problem, so please take it from me, stay onstage until you start doing well in tournies, then start adding in planking as well).
third off,
WELCOME TO THE PIT BOARDS!
don't you dare start planking until you've thoroughly learned your onstage game. planking can get you far at first, but afterwords you'll be trying to catch up to the onstage game and it's a lot harder to do after you're used to planking your way to victory (i currently am the epitome of this problem, so please take it from me, stay onstage until you start doing well in tournies, then start adding in planking as well).
third off,
WELCOME TO THE PIT BOARDS!
BOrookie
Smash Cadet
Thanks for the advice, and thank you for the welcome! I've been learning a lot here 
Maharba the Mystic
Smash Master
also
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=312808
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=294966
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=294966&page=19
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=302433
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx6zz4Wda-M
these will help you get started on things you should practice
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=312808
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=294966
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=294966&page=19
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=302433
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx6zz4Wda-M
these will help you get started on things you should practice
BOrookie
Smash Cadet
SO...MUCH...INFORMATION. . .SELF-DESTRUCT IN-3-2-... lol thanks, this is greatly appreciated and I'll start making my way though this today (very, VERY, slowly).
Gadiel_VaStar
Smash Champion
Does anyone know how to use the sliding upsmash consistently? I've been looking for the thread, but no use.
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Which sliding upsmash?
IF you mean maha's 2scjcus then ya i can help.
If you mean hyphen upsmash i'm confused why you'd need help
If you mean something else, idk bro.
IF you mean maha's 2scjcus then ya i can help.
If you mean hyphen upsmash i'm confused why you'd need help
If you mean something else, idk bro.
Gadiel_VaStar
Smash Champion
Yeah the Dacus Upsmash. How do you do that consistently?
Luckay4Lyphe
Smash Master
Just watch Pit's legs and you get the boost if he kicks off with his left foot.
Maharba the Mystic
Smash Master
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Anyone know the proper way(aka proper directional inputs) to SDI lucario's dair? Ik there's a way to do it to get out near everytime.
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Ik pit can punish someone who airdodges his fair with a fair and same for bair.
Everytime someones airdodged my upair if i'm facing the right away i've been able to dair or bair depending on where they move.
Most of his frame traps are from punishing landings as all his moves can auto cancel. SHAC upair is one of the best landing traps.
Everytime someones airdodged my upair if i'm facing the right away i've been able to dair or bair depending on where they move.
Most of his frame traps are from punishing landings as all his moves can auto cancel. SHAC upair is one of the best landing traps.
theONEjanitor
Smash Champion
If you read their trajectory, you can upair or fair, and then punish the airdodge with pretty much anything depending on where you are. easy option select at kill percents, d-throw follow their DI with upair. if they dont airdoge they eat upair, if they do, you bair and kill them.
also bair last long enough to tap them with the sourspot after the airdodge
also bair last long enough to tap them with the sourspot after the airdodge
Maharba the Mystic
Smash Master
side-b, jab infinite, sour bair, ftilt, nair, uair.
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
i believe he has 4 frames of landing lag.It might be 2 frames. Dunno.
so he'd be +3 or +5 respectively. on shield.
so he'd be +3 or +5 respectively. on shield.
Maharba the Mystic
Smash Master
wrong. glide attack can be shield grabbed. the only way to make that not happen is to hit with the tip at the same moment you cancel it and pray you can get out jab infinite before they grab you
Damix91
Smash Journeyman
Better to angle it so you hit the very top of the shield. Then you won't get shieldgrabbed.
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Uh no. i'm pretty sure on this. And no. WHy would u do a ~13 frame move set up. Just woi. It has invincibility on frames 1-5 so it beats on grab on glide attack if you do the most optimal one frame wise.
Edit: I'm an advocate of having the glide attack ZOOM past them instead however. Much much less punishable on a whole scale level.
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
I mean...my source is TKD...but i guess i can ask delux on skype when he's on. Cuz you also have to calculate in shield stun, etc.
Also, grab is not advantage on shield maha. Grab bypasses shield drop which is the whole point of calculating advantage on shield.
Also, grab is not advantage on shield maha. Grab bypasses shield drop which is the whole point of calculating advantage on shield.
Maharba the Mystic
Smash Master
from my experiance, you can get grabbed out of glide attack. as well as get up smash oos. or nair'd oos by some. of course i play against olimar a lot.....
Luckay4Lyphe
Smash Master
Kuro just explained to you why grab and anything that can be done oos is not applied in shield drop advantage
Maharba the Mystic
Smash Master
wat happens in actual gameplay>theory craft about frame stuff. i don't even get wat he's talking about, im just saying wat will actually happen
Luckay4Lyphe
Smash Master
It's still good to learn frame data Maharba. You should do some research on it, it will make you a better Pit. Knowing about what you can actually do > practicing random mix ups that MIGHT work.
Maharba the Mystic
Smash Master
i know my frame data, but glide attacking shield is never safe. the only thing i don't get is when he says it "bypasses shield stun". what does that even mean? i mean i know like what is or isn't positive on shield (like arrow loop is positive on shield, falco's silent lazer is positive on shield, etc) but i don't get how what he said makes glide attack any safer on shield. i don't get what he's saying. if it's not safe, it's not safe. i don't get what other point there is to be made
Luckay4Lyphe
Smash Master
you can input grab any time you are in shield, meaning during shield stun as well which is why ISSDI is so great
theONEjanitor
Smash Champion
its hard to believe that you can glide attack someone close to the ground and not get punished, if not for the mere fact that Pit has no moves fast enough to cancel into (besides up-b of course, and maybe uptilt, but you're going to have to be really close for that.)
Kuro~
Nitoryu Kuro
Does anyone know the specifics of pit's backthrow chaingrab against the wall?Iirc it goes higher than fthrow does. Is it better than fthrow against the wall?
I've been trying to find a thread or video for like an hour =.=
I've been trying to find a thread or video for like an hour =.=
Admiral Pit
Smash Hero
Well, the way I do things with B-throw is try to lure an enemy between the walls of PS1's rock field, BUT the enemy has to not only be at 0%, but to be dumb enough to be lured there.
Depending on the character and their weight/floatiness, you can B-throw them over and over to a fair % (timing is a bit different depending on weight too), but if you dont think they won't "bounce" off the wall by having too much damage (or trying to escape by trying to DI upwards), quickly finish it off with a U-smash. I'd say you can deliver 60% damage on average. I wouldnt be sure on exact %, so use your judgment.
Depending on the character and their weight/floatiness, you can B-throw them over and over to a fair % (timing is a bit different depending on weight too), but if you dont think they won't "bounce" off the wall by having too much damage (or trying to escape by trying to DI upwards), quickly finish it off with a U-smash. I'd say you can deliver 60% damage on average. I wouldnt be sure on exact %, so use your judgment.