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The Graveyard: Disconfirmed Character Thread (SAKURAAAAAAAAAI!)

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Not that she's going to be playable, but how does that picture (Which doesn't have Viridi in it) deconfirm Viridi?

Mentioning her name is enough to deconfirm her?

The theme of the level is just her army attacking and the reset bomb.

There is no proof she, herself, appears on the level
 

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While I greatly doubt Saria could be a Newcomer even before this trophy revelation, I remember back in the Brawl days that Toon Link was shown as a Trophy, wearing his Wind Waker blue pajama. That made me think he wouldn't appear in Brawl as a fighter, but things were different.

I still think having any hope in Saria is crazy, but oh well...


Also, Villager greatly decreases Balloon Fighter chances, but I think it's the same for Tingle, since I always thought he should be the one using Balloon Fighter's balloons for recovering.
 

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If Sakurai put Saria as playable character in this game, I´m getting insane, she is my favorite female Nintendo character. If she would be playable I would be Sakurai grateful until eternity. =( But I guess she is just a Trophy for the 3DS. Really sad!
 

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I cant believe there were actually people that even considered the slightest thought of saria ever being playable.

Guys stahp pls............... pls stahp.
 

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In a weird way it's a testament to Nintendo's quality. If people can get het up and passionate over even rather minor individuals like Saria, Skull Kid, Geno and yes, Toad then they're obviously doing something right.

Regardless of chance or likelihood even minor characters having fanbases is reassuring in a strange way.

Of course I would say that though. I'm a filthy ****ing Toad fan.
 

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Man, I really wish skull kid was in :(
He would have a difficult skill set though. Just like Saria.
 

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In a weird way it's a testament to Nintendo's quality. If people can get het up and passionate over even rather minor individuals like Saria, Skull Kid, Geno and yes, Toad then they're obviously doing something right.

Regardless of chance or likelihood even minor characters having fanbases is reassuring in a strange way.

Of course I would say that though. I'm a filthy ****ing Toad fan.
This. If you can create a character that people actually care about years after they stopped being relevant, you did a good job creating them. People might whine about nostalgia but nostalgia is only created if it makes a connection and actually makes an impact on a person. I've said this many times before in the past but this is one of the main reasons why Smash Bros is my favorite video game franchise.
 

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Saria, Tingle, and Virdi should be in morgue.

Virdi has not been seen yet. Tingle because of same reasons as Balloon Fighter and Saria because she has has not been seen in actual gameplay or a fighting pose.
 

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Sheik in Morgue? Zelda reveal without Sheik reveal and Spirit Tracks armor seems to replace her down special.
 

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Now hold on, people. Before I add anything else to the morgue, I need to finish the polls. The results will take a while to count.

But, for the sake of argument, I will move Sheik and Saria to the Morgue, because of speculation. The Phantom will also go there until further notice.
 

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If Sakurai put Saria as playable character in this game, I´m getting insane, she is my favorite female Nintendo character. If she would be playable I would be Sakurai grateful until eternity. =( But I guess she is just a Trophy for the 3DS. Really sad!
Even if she was playable, what would she possibly do for combat?
 

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Saria, Tingle, and Virdi should be in morgue.

Virdi has not been seen yet. Tingle because of same reasons as Balloon Fighter and Saria because she has has not been seen in actual gameplay or a fighting pose.
Other than the fact Tingle is not exactly limited to the sole use of balloons (Rupees, for a prime example), or that he would only rely on two small balloons as opposed to a giant one (this varies depending on different versions), nothing else has been indicative of his presence within the game.

I'm not necessarily advocating the character to be playable, per se, but rather just playing the patient waiting game to see whether or not Tingle is confirmed or disconfirmed, as with any other character.
 

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(image by Chandelure)​

The Graveyard here is to now discuss disconfirmed characters in Super Smash Bros. for the Wii U and 3DS.

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R.I.P. Balloon Fighter, 6/11/13. This one can be considered debatable. The Animal Crossing Villager, at E3's reveal of Smash Bros. 4, was revealed to use Balloon Fighter's helmet as a way of recovery, since Balloon Fight had appeared as an unlockable NES game featured in the original Animal Crossing. Many have taken this as disconfirmation of the NES classic's protagonist. However, some believe that he still has a chance, considering the Villager also uses boxing gloves, a main feature of Little Mac, a very popular contender for Smash 4, and Punch-Out!! was also unlockable in Animal Crossing.​
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[collapse="Skull Kid"]


R.I.P. Skull Kid, 12/6/13. Assist Trophies were finally confirmed, and who was the first to be showed off? The main antagonist of Majora's Mask, Skull Kid. Wearing the titular mask, it seems as if Skull Kid's AT function is to drop the moon from said game onto the stage, causing chaos as usual. However, unlike Balloon Fighter and Toad, who still have incredibly small chances of getting into the game, this completely disconfirms Skull Kid. Many fans, however, are finally glad that Skull Kid, a character from 1999 who hasn't appeared since, and missed chances with Melee and Brawl, is finally appearing in some form for Smash Bros., and several appearances in Nintendo media may mean that, finally, a Majora's Mask remake may be on the way.​
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[collapse=Starfy]



R.I.P. Starfy, 12/25/2013: We all woke up on Christmas day, and instead of finding a star on the tree, we saw the star on the stage. Starfy was featured alongside Pikachu and a Luma, and since there is no character page for the lovable little star, it seems as if he will continue his role as a "joke" Assist Trophy, joining Skull Kid and Nintendog. May he continue to light the way.​
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The Morgue:

This is where characters who, thanks to polls, are not fully disconfirmed yet.

[collapse="Toad"]


R.I.P. Toad, 9/12/13. Princess Peach, revealed to coincide with the anniversary of the NES classic Super Mario Bros., has used her loyal servant Toad as a meat shield for two games straight, and this seems to be the case again. Although arguably the most popular Mario newcomer, he seems to be once again hiding in Toadstool's ??? to protect his fair ruler. Developer Masahiro Sakurai did indeed state that moves may be changed, as can appearances of moves, before the final version of the game, possibly to instill false hope in us. Yet, as seen 11/22/13, Toad is still a special attack for Peach. A few still believe that Toad will get in, but at this point it seems as if he'll be doomed to the dress forever.​
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Nintendog (Nintendogs, 2005)​

Why is Nintendog at the top? My thread, my character choice, my rules. This only disconfirms the French Bulldog Nintendog, and the 3DS stage disconfirms the Beagle Nintendog. The others are still completely available, whether you like it or not. Like Toad, there is more than 1 of it's kind. Nintendog Labrador Retreiver ALL THE WAY!

(Actually, a Chihuahua or a Jack Russell would be pretty cool.[/collapse]
[collapse="Sheik"]


Sheik (The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, 1998)
This may be our first veteran disconfirmation. So, on December 26th, Princess Zelda was revealed. And, in one picture on her character page, she is seen "controlling" a Phantom enemy from Spirit Tracks to attack Fox. Now, this directly ties to the Toon Zelda character in Spirit Tracks, who can possess such creatures and use them to aid the hero Link. This is a pink Phantom as well, the same color a Phantom takes after being possessed by the princess. Much speculation on it's role is played out. Whether or not it was an Assist Trophy, and Zelda simply looked like she's controlling it, or a new move. Many people, including a shadow sage-sympathizing simian, believe this to mean that Zelda's Sheikah alter-ego from OoT, Melee and Brawl, named Sheik, will be removed from the game. However, this has about as much evidence as the Conductor Link = Toon Link debate before Toon Link was confirmed. It's also noteworthy to know that this is from a "Toon" Legend of Zelda game. It is rather odd that, if it is indeed a move, Link has two separate identities (an adult Link and a toon Link), while Zelda has her identities combined. I perosnally believe it's an AT, and that Sheik will return, but with enough controversy behind it, I have no choice but to mention it. [/collapse]

Be respectful, please, and do not flame.

Honorable Mentions:
These are characters which, although do not have a large following or have even be suggested as playable characters, but yet are still confirmed as unplayable characters.

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The Yellow Devil (Mega Man, 1987)
The Yellow Devil is one of the first bosses you face in Dr. Wily's Castle in the original Mega Man for the NES. He appears in Super Smash Bros. in a mysterious role, only appearing so far on the Wily's Castle stage. He may be a boss for this game's Adventure Mode, or a stage hazard.​
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[collapse="Xerneas"]


Xerneas (Pokemon X / Pokemon Y, 2013)
Xerneas is one of the Legendary Pokemon originating from the franchise's newest game, Pokemon X/ Pokemon Y for the Nintendo 3DS. This Pokemon is able to share eternal life, and was in a deep sleep in the form of a tree for a thousand years before it's revival. It's role in Super Smash Bros. is probably a Poke Ball Pokemon, as the background matches Battlefield's sky, and the head is far too small to match that of a Poke Floats revival.​
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[collapse="Dark Lord"]


The Dark Lord (Find Mii, 2011)
The Dark Lord, the main antagonist of the 3DS game Find Mii, has released an army of ghosts and captured many high-class citizens, like the Monarch and the Royal Family. It is your job to control your Mii, stop the Dark Lord (and his powerful Dark Emperor form) and rescue the citizens all while collecting several hats, many themed around Nintendo games. The Dark Lord appears to be a stage hazard or Adventure Mode boss in Super Smash Bros., seemingly confirming a Find Mii-based stage in the process.​
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(Redd, Dr. Shrunk, Gracie, Wendell, Saharah & Pelly)
(Animal Crossing, 2003)​
The characters above, villagers from the GameCube game Animal Crossing, are background characters in the Smashville-esque stages. I won't go into detail about them, as there's far too many, and since they were all disconfirmed at the same time, I'll put them under one "gravestone". Also to make a note of, a Gyroid appears both as a background character and as part of Villager's moveset, so that's noteworthy, as well as the large stump, which may signify K.K. Slider will be disconfirmed as well, playing his songs every Saturday night at 8.​
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[collapse="Conductor Link"]


Conductor Link (The Legend of Zelda: Spirit Tracks, 2009)​
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[collapse="Wii Balance Board"]


Wii Balance Board (Wii Fit, 2008)​
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[collapse="Kapp'n"]


Kapp'n (Animal Crossing, 2003)​
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[collapse="Blue Shark"]

The Blue Shark (Steel Diver, 2011)​
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[collapse="Lubba"]


Lubba (Super Mario Galaxy 2, 2010)​
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[collapse="Viridi"]


Viridi (Kid Icarus: Uprising, 2012)​
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Sheik in Morgue? Zelda reveal without Sheik reveal and Spirit Tracks armor seems to replace her down special.
The ST phantom is likely a well timed assist trophy, as has been speculated by many people across the forum. This also clears up her down special for Shiek. Shiek is still a different character, so they're trying to space it out. Don't give up on Shiek yet!
 

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While Shy Guys appeared in the newest pic of the day, I don't think we can quite call them "deconfirmed". I would definitely put them in the morgue, though.
 

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Why aren't we putting them in the grave outright? There isn't exactly any sort of "the" Shy Guy we're still waiting for, unlike Toad and Yoshi.
 

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Why aren't we putting them in the grave outright? There isn't exactly any sort of "the" Shy Guy we're still waiting for, unlike Toad and Yoshi.
I was thinking that it's more like what would happen if a Jigglypuff was shown in the background of a stage. Jigglypuff would still be very possible since there are multiple Jigglypuffs. Likewise, there are tons of Shy Guys.

I mean, I don't think Shy Guy'll ever get in, but it feels like a bit of a double standard to outright deconfirm him. Then again, we've never had a case quite like this. We have multiple colors of Shy Guys in the background. I think that's what really hurts him.
 

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The Shy Guys are just a part of the mario kart stage, nothing special. That can't disprove them, seeing as it's a species.

That being said, is there really any actual chance of a shy guy character anyway?
 

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I'd say it does disprove them because the point of putting Shy Guys into these MK stages is to replace the actual MK characters since most of them are playable in Smash (and because in some games you could use SG in multiplayer I think).
 

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Ah, I get ya'.
There's just no potential move set and a ton of better choices. Also, I interpreted you as a Shy guy supporter at first.
Nah. Not a big fan of Shy Guy.
I'd say it does disprove them because the point of putting Shy Guys into these MK stages is to replace the actual MK characters since most of them are playable in Smash (and because in some games you could use SG in multiplayer I think).
Now this may be a reason to consider them deconfirmed.
 

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I was thinking that it's more like what would happen if a Jigglypuff was shown in the background of a stage. Jigglypuff would still be very possible since there are multiple Jigglypuffs. Likewise, there are tons of Shy Guys.

I mean, I don't think Shy Guy'll ever get in, but it feels like a bit of a double standard to outright deconfirm him. Then again, we've never had a case quite like this. We have multiple colors of Shy Guys in the background. I think that's what really hurts him.
Has there ever been a time where both a fighter and background character have been on the screen at the same time? And don't give me Conductor Link. Different names, different appearances, different model-styles, and different centuries apart. A regular looking Jigglypuff in the background of a stage essentially guarantees Jigglypuff is disconfirmed. PokeFloats never had any of the fighters as their own balloon. Pokemon Stadium 2 featured no fighter Pokemon or relatives thereof in the background. Dream Land had Dedede, but did not appear in the same game Dedede appeared playable in. Starting to see a pattern? Not only does Smash avoid having two of one character at once, but the only exception to having two of one character at once shows a very distinct difference.

Again, if there was a notable Shy Guy to speak of, I could understand the doubt. However, while Yoshi has *the* Yoshi, Toad has Captain Toad and Blue Toad, and Waddle Dee has Bandanna Dee, Shy Guy has no recurrent significants to speak of. Even the iconic type of Shy Guy, Red, is seen far in the background. Shy Guy should be disconfirmed, period. This is reaching borderline denial to say he should still be in the morgue.
 

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Aside from Toad, no one should be in the morgue.
 

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Has there ever been a time where both a fighter and background character have been on the screen at the same time? And don't give me Conductor Link. Different names, different appearances, different model-styles, and different centuries apart. A regular looking Jigglypuff in the background of a stage essentially guarantees Jigglypuff is disconfirmed. PokeFloats never had any of the fighters as their own balloon. Pokemon Stadium 2 featured no fighter Pokemon or relatives thereof in the background. Dream Land had Dedede, but did not appear in the same game Dedede appeared playable in. Starting to see a pattern? Not only does Smash avoid having two of one character at once, but the only exception to having two of one character at once shows a very distinct difference.

Again, if there was a notable Shy Guy to speak of, I could understand the doubt. However, while Yoshi has *the* Yoshi, Toad has Captain Toad and Blue Toad, and Waddle Dee has Bandanna Dee, Shy Guy has no recurrent significants to speak of. Even the iconic type of Shy Guy, Red, is seen far in the background. Shy Guy should be disconfirmed, period. This is reaching borderline denial to say he should still be in the morgue.
When you put it that way, I agree. I was just being careful about possible double standards.

And with that, I'm going to bed.
 

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Again, if there was a notable Shy Guy to speak of, I could understand the doubt. However, while Yoshi has *the* Yoshi, Toad has Captain Toad and Blue Toad, and Waddle Dee has Bandanna Dee, Shy Guy has no recurrent significants to speak of. Even the iconic type of Shy Guy, Red, is seen far in the background. Shy Guy should be disconfirmed, period. This is reaching borderline denial to say he should still be in the morgue.
White Shy Guy would be the closest to an individual character, as he was playable in Mario Kart DS via download play. Originally made famous as the "good shy guy(s)" of Yoshi's Story; when found and led to the end of a stage, they would rescue a lost Yoshi.



Still a stretch though, so yeah, deconfirmed. Also, if you scroll down to the bottom of this page and open the red Shy Guy tab, you'll see a large list of Shy Guy variants including notable "characters".
 

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Aside from Toad, no one should be in the morgue.
Personally, I'm not sure if even Toad should be there yet.
But he's certainly the closest to being offically "deconfirmed." Nobody else has been...the subject...of a pic like this.

It's like Sakurai is giving the middle finger of sorts to Toad supporters and saying "I'm not making him playable again. Get the picture. You're getting Rosalina instead."

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White Shy Guy would be the closest to an individual character, as he was playable in Mario Kart DS via download play. Originally made famous as the "good shy guy(s)" of Yoshi's Story; when found and led to the end of a stage, they would rescue a lost Yoshi.

Still a stretch though, so yeah, deconfirmed. Also, if you scroll down to the bottom of this page and open the red Shy Guy tab, you'll see a large list of Shy Guy variants including notable "characters".
Funnily enough, if you zoom in, you can see that White Shy Guy is also among these racers.
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So even that possibility is gone too!

Shy Guy is dead, folks. May we all take a moment to grieve for our shy little budds.
 

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Personally, I'm not sure if even Toad should be there yet.
But he's certainly the closest to being offically "deconfirmed." Nobody else has been...the subject...of a pic like this.

It's like Sakurai is giving the middle finger of sorts to Toad supporters and saying "I'm not making him playable again. Get the picture. You're getting Rosalina instead."

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That Sakurai. What a heartbreaker.

Personally I think Toad's chances are shot, as are Shy Guy's.

I'd love to be proved wrong on the former with a sudden shock reveal, but I get the feeling there's a chance Toad won't ever be considered no matter how many more reoccurring playable appearances he makes in the future just simply because Sakurai decided all the way back in Melee he was going to be a meatshield. THUS IT SHALL FOREVER BE SO.

I'm not even overly confident that the rest of the Mario characters shouldn't be in the Morgue right now. Maybe I'm just pessimistic though.
 

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I think that the following should be in the graveyard: Skull Kid and Starfy.

Both has these have been shown in gameplay.

Characters who should be in the morgue: Toad, Shy Guy, Saria, Sheik, Tingle, Balloon Fighter, Alice, Virdi, Ridley, Cragalanche, and Nintendog.

It is a double standard if Toad and Nintendo get free because they are species. So Shy Guy should be there.

Toon Link was a the first trophy shown for Brawl. Saria might be not be a fighter but she has not been seen in gameplay.

Sheik because of the Phantom. I doubt it but there is still a chance.

Tingle, Balloon fighter and Alice because Villager uses balloons as his Up special. And none of them has been shown in gameplay.

Virdi was only referenced. If that is the case, Cragalanche and Ridley should also be either dead or in the morgue. Or they could all be in neither. They all are in the same situation.

That is my opinion.
 

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The Shy Guys pretty much took a nail in the coffin today, seeing as they're stage hazards once again. I added the Shy Guy onto the primary post, but if people feel otherwise, I'll leave the rest to the thread owner.
 

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I might be late to the discussion, but why is Sheik even on there? The only character that should be put in the morgue because of the Phantom is Toon Zelda, and I wouldn't even agree with that. I mean, has speculation really lead to Sheik being put in the same position as Toad and Nintendog? Because it is only based on speculation and nothing else, it might aswell be her new Side-B (which would honestly make more sense), or even an AT. If the standard to get into the morgue is that low, throw Ridley in there too, since his "deconfirmation" is based purely on speculation too.

Point is that I think we should be a bit more strict in where the lines goes. Obviously things like Shy Guy were never really a big contender, so seeing them being stage hazards most likely means that they're only that, despite them being a race, I think the same goes for Nintendog. However, for big candidates like Sheik it seems silly to put them on here for something that might not even be a hint of things to come. These big candidates should require some hard evidence before being put in here, as in Toad's case.
 

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I'll update the OP again later today, but at the moment I'm sick.
 

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I was one of those few Shy Guy supporters(although silently). They are showing not one but multiple colored Shy Guy's in the background of the stage, including the well known Red and Special White variations. I hate to say it, but Shy Guys dead. At least they are getting recognition once again.
 

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In honor of the surprising support for Shy Guy (I'm more of a Kamek guy myself) I'll put Shy Guy in the normal graveyard. Also, adding Saria.

Still need help counting votes, so message me if interested or will do it because you're sick of waiting. :p
 
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