The Graveyard: Disconfirmed Character Thread (SAKURAAAAAAAAAI!)

[APC99]

Alright, Sheik's being removed from the Morgue. She'll be on the poll, though.

 

[SmasherCat]

Yeah, keep her on the poll for sure. Do you mind telling when the poll will be up?

 

[APC99]

Yeah, keep her on the poll for sure. Do you mind telling when the poll will be up?

I have no idea when. I have to run it past the other members of the Grave Keepers, plus I'm currently working on a side project called Smash Bros. Affinity. If anybody's interested, there's a thread in the Brawl Workshop.

Shameless plugs aside, I'm not sure when the poll will be up. I may wait until February, I've got finals coming up later this month.

 

[SmasherCat]

Alright, no rush of course. I'll have to check out that project.

 

[Pacack]

That would be a good point if it wasn't already justified within SSE's story. R.O.B. is an actual species in the world of Smash Bros., with *the* R.O.B. being their leader before they all went kaputz, leaving him as the sole remaining R.O.B. at the end of the game. In other words, left as an individual fighter by the end of the story with no others like it.

Unless you're about to tell me our new Adventure Mode is about to center around Shy Guys, I don't think the same could be applied to them.

Thanks for the explanation there.


And, for the record, although I support Impa, Sheik is no way Morgue material yet. If anything, she's just in the hospital for a bit.

 

[Xavier :D]

Maybe Sakurai and Crew aren't done developing Sheik yet, and that's why we haven't seen any sign of her....I mean, she basically is her own separate character.

 

[Deleted member]

Reggie needs to be in this game.

 

[Maha Ishaq]

The goddess Hylia needs one sacrifice every solstice... Balloon Fighter was the Summer Solstice sacrifice... Toad was the Autumn Solstice sacrifice... Skull Kid was the Winter Solstice sacrifice.

 

[YoshiandToad]

The goddess Hylia needs one sacrifice every solstice... Balloon Fighter was the Summer Solstice sacrifice... Toad was the Autumn Solstice sacrifice... Skull Kid was the Winter Solstice sacrifice.

I guess the Goddess got greedy at Christmas with Starfy on top of Skull Kid. But hey, if you can't treat yourself at Christmas, when can you?

 

[Deleted member]

I guess the Goddess got greedy at Christmas with Starfy on top of Skull Kid. But hey, if you can't treat yourself at Christmas, when can you?

I think that Wily brutally murdered Starfy since he was disconfirmed at Wily Castle.

 

[TopTierPichu]

Ridley is in the pic of the day as a stage hazard, just under that red blast from DDD's hammer, sorry guys

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

The purple/blue is a lightning bolt from the smash attack being discolored slightly because of the red effect. It even extends past the white part. The white part that's supposed to be a "claw" is part of the background. It's not that hard to see.

 

[APC99]

Ridley is in the pic of the day as a stage hazard, just under that red blast from DDD's hammer, sorry guys

I know we see Ridley in the clouds and stuff, but COME ON!

 

[Capybara Gaming]

It's a Ridley Star KO. Duh.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Yeah, LOL, when you REALLY look at the picture it's not Ridley's claw

 

[extremechiton]

The purple/blue is a lightning bolt from the smash attack being discolored slightly because of the red effect. It even extends past the white part. The white part that's supposed to be a "claw" is part of the background. It's not that hard to see.

the lightning effect is red and black, not purple/blue.

 

[TopTierPichu]

it can only be a new RIdley effeft

 

[Gunla]

So Viridi has been deconfirmed because of the polls, eh...

One of my most wanted has (apparantly for now) fallen. Rest In Peace.

 

[Chandeelure]

No offense to the supporters, but why is Shy Guy, Nintendog and Viridi in disconfirmed characters instead of honorable mentions?

 

[Pacack]

No offense to the supporters, but why is Shy Guy, Nintendog and Viridi in disconfirmed characters instead of honorable mentions?

They had some support. The honorable mentions area is for characters like Yellow Devil that literally no one supported.

 

[The Lurker]

I have a few problems I'd like to address here.

Firstly, people are treating this concept the wrong way and taking character debunks way too personally. We shouldn't have to worry about how the Toad fans, or better yet, the Shy Guy fans will feel about their characters being sent to the grave.
If they're disproven, they're disproven. And it really sucks to see them go.

But that's what this thread is all about. We're supposed to be gathering evidence and organizing it in an easy-to-read format as we try to guess what other character reveals are coming our way.

I don't really think this thread needs a vote either. There should just be a substantial amount of evidence for or against an user. There's nothing wrong with characters coming back from the dead, but if we just used common sense, Shiek wouldn't be anywhere near the morgue, while Shy Guy and Toad should have been kicked to the curb at the start. (We already have so many Mario reps)

Just what I've noticed lurking here.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I have a few problems I'd like to address here.

Firstly, people are treating this concept the wrong way and taking character debunks way too personally. We shouldn't have to worry about how the Toad fans, or better yet, the Shy Guy fans will feel about their characters being sent to the grave.
If they're disproven, they're disproven. And it really sucks to see them go.

But that's what this thread is all about. We're supposed to be gathering evidence and organizing it in an easy-to-read format as we try to guess what other character reveals are coming our way.

I don't really think this thread needs a vote either. There should just be a substantial amount of evidence for or against an user. There's nothing wrong with characters coming back from the dead, but if we just used common sense, Shiek wouldn't be anywhere near the morgue, while Shy Guy and Toad should have been kicked to the curb at the start. (We already have so many Mario reps)

Just what I've noticed lurking here.

SPEAK MORE WORDS!

You actually summed up my feelings exactly.

Either the character is deconfirmed or they're not.

 

[The Lurker]

SPEAK MORE WORDS!

You actually summed up my feelings exactly.

Either the character is deconfirmed or they're not.

I'll speak up when I have to.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I have a few problems I'd like to address here.

Firstly, people are treating this concept the wrong way and taking character debunks way too personally. We shouldn't have to worry about how the Toad fans, or better yet, the Shy Guy fans will feel about their characters being sent to the grave.
If they're disproven, they're disproven. And it really sucks to see them go.

But that's what this thread is all about. We're supposed to be gathering evidence and organizing it in an easy-to-read format as we try to guess what other character reveals are coming our way.

I don't really think this thread needs a vote either. There should just be a substantial amount of evidence for or against an user. There's nothing wrong with characters coming back from the dead, but if we just used common sense, Shiek wouldn't be anywhere near the morgue, while Shy Guy and Toad should have been kicked to the curb at the start. (We already have so many Mario reps)

Just what I've noticed lurking here.

Toad was never deconfirmed. AT ALL. There is more than one Toad. Granted his chances are slim, but he's not out for the count.
Starfy and Skull Kid ARE.

 

[The Lurker]

Toad was never deconfirmed. AT ALL. There is more than one Toad. Granted his chances are slim, but he's not out for the count.
Starfy and Skull Kid ARE.

We have so many Mario reps now, it would surprise me if we had anymore.
Especially with the roster size of about 40 (safe assumption)
Adding toad would have the Mario reps to be about 15 - 17 % of the roster size. That's just under a quarter. (Note, this is not counting Wario or Yoshi)
Not to mention you'll have to share that space with other big rep names like Pokemon.

Any other "Mario" characters that get in will get in based on their own spin off series. Toad doesn't seem to have any.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Interesting to know that you are in Sakurai's head.

Mario is Nintendo's flagship franchise, so it only makes sense for them to have a good amount of representation.
Moreso, where did you pull 40 out of? Brawl's roster was 37, and running under the assumption that only 1 or 2 characters get cut (likely Snake and possibly Ike), we still have 40 already, and there's plenty of new newcomers unannounced.

We have so many Mario reps now, it would surprise me if we had anymore.
Especially with the roster size of about 40 (safe assumption)
Adding toad would have the Mario reps to be about 15 - 17 % of the roster size. That's just under a quarter. (Note, this is not counting Wario or Yoshi)
Not to mention you'll have to share that space with other big rep names like Pokemon.

Any other "Mario" characters that get in will get in based on their own spin off series. Toad doesn't seem to have any.

 

[YoshiandToad]

I'd say 40 seems a little low.

Not like I'm hopeful for Toad, but that roster number is only a measly three more characters; barely worth the time or effort making a whole new game for frankly, let alone two.

I'm hoping for around 45 characters total personally.

No offense to the supporters, but why is Shy Guy, Nintendog and Viridi in disconfirmed characters instead of honorable mentions?

Weren't you a Shy Guy fan originally when you showed up? I thought he was the second character you showed support for after Chandelure before becoming Bandana Dee's shining knight?

 

[Chandeelure]

Weren't you a Shy Guy fan originally when you showed up? I thought he was the second character you showed support for after Chandelure before becoming Bandana Dee's shining knight?

XD
I'm a Shy Guy fan , but I never tought it had high chances
Oh, well, now I understand how the honorable mentions thing works, I tought it was the characters with no chances instead of the characters with no support. XD

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I'd say 40 seems a little low.

Not like I'm hopeful for Toad, but that roster number is only a measly three more characters; barely worth the time or effort making a whole new game for frankly, let alone two.

I'm hoping for around 45 characters total personally.



Weren't you a Shy Guy fan originally when you showed up? I thought he was the second character you showed support for after Chandelure before becoming Bandana Dee's shining knight?

I think we'll get 50 characters this time.

 

[The Lurker]

I'd say 40 seems a little low.

Not like I'm hopeful for Toad, but that roster number is only a measly three more characters; barely worth the time or effort making a whole new game for frankly, let alone two.

I'm hoping for around 45 characters total personally.



Weren't you a Shy Guy fan originally when you showed up? I thought he was the second character you showed support for after Chandelure before becoming Bandana Dee's shining knight?

I only said 40 to be safe. I could see the final roster to be up to about 45 or 46.

I'll explain why I don't see Toad coming back specifically though.

At the time of this post, 21 characters have been confirmed. 5 of those characters come directly from the Mario franchise already. (7 if you want to get really nit picky and include Yoshi and Donkey Kong). That's about 24% of the current roster coming from the Mario series. Unless this is going to be the next Mario Party, I really don't see any more Mario reps coming back any time soon (or at all)


Toad also wouldn't really bring much to the smash series. All we really know about him is that he's a pawn with a really loud, shrill voice. Other than that they're known to be useless. They don't have any of their own unique abilities (you could fall back on the Mario Party or Super Mario Bros games, but again, they're not unique to Toad at all.)

Currently, Toad's cameo as a human meat shield is perfect. He doesn't need any more than that.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Ridley is in the pic of the day as a stage hazard, just under that red blast from DDD's hammer, sorry guys

Wrong the Ridley support thread got evidence it's not ridley.

The white dot is from the wall effects and the purple is the faded lightning effect.

Read some of the most recent pages of the Ridley support thread.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Toad also wouldn't really bring much to the smash series. All we really know about him is that he's a pawn with a really loud, shrill voice. Other than that they're known to be useless. They don't have any of their own unique abilities (you could fall back on the Mario Party or Super Mario Bros games, but again, they're not unique to Toad at all.)

Currently, Toad's cameo as a human meat shield is perfect. He doesn't need any more than that.

Aww nuts, here we go. I was all set to agree with you, but then you called him useless. God damn it guy, I really wanted to nod in appreciation that a sixth Mario character is hugely unlikely, but I am contractually obliged to argue with any statement of Toad being a useless individual.

OH WELL.

Fun fact: Toad killed Death, the Grim Reaper himself in Wario's Woods.

No, really(This next section is copy and pasted from the Toad thread):

Spoiler

Today I rediscovered something I had forgotten for many many years.

THIS is one of the bosses in Wario's Woods:

That's right. Toad has to square off against the Grim Reaper. Death itself. DEATH.

And you know what Toad does? He doesn't die. He doesn't cower. He doesn't fear Death nor try to run from Death. He blows him the **** up.

Skip to 4:38 to see this face off.

Toad is officially the most badass mother****er in Mario.

Not that useless.

Does Toad have anything unique? Well...whilst not as obvious as Jr, or Paper Mario, he does have a few things:

Spoiler

• Spores
• Summoning mushrooms(like in Mario Sports Mix)
• Running up walls
• Carrying multiple items at once by stacking them up on one another
• Bomb orientated moveset. Since it's doubtful we'd ever get Bomberman, Toad's got quite the affiliation. Different colour bombs could deal different damage depending on the individual(for example red bombs would do more damage to Mario than Link...would have to work for the character not the palette swap most likely.)
• Toad House based movesets(Summon the cannons from NSMBWU, Toad Chest throws items around, Card Flip could be a...excuse the pun...wild card option that would do different damage based on the card; like G+W but if you get a pair of the same in a row it'd deal more and more)
• Maybe summoning and using Dovus, Squeaks and other monsters from Wario's Woods to stack up and modify the stage as he fights(...actually that's quite a neat idea. A character who can essentially modify the stage. Not bad for off the top of my head. Wish I came up with this one sooner) and if all else fails;
• Power ups. Toads the dude who hands them out. It's not my favourite option, but it's available since the Mario Bros. aren't doing much with it.

Something from Wario's Woods perhaps?

Movesets can be made for anyone and anything, so I don't think a lack of options is really a problem. It's just that he's already Peach's B move that holds him back.

Putting this stuff in collapse because I'm not sure if this an appropriate place to discuss this. I mean I am talking about a disconfirmed character, so maybe technically.

Anyway The Lurker, this isn't against you persay, I just want to point out that Toad's not the snivelling coward everyone assumes he is. Pisses me off something fierce.

 

[The Lurker]

Anyway The Lurker, this isn't against you persay, I just want to point out that Toad's not the snivelling coward everyone assumes he is. Pisses me off something fierce.

Maybe useless is a strong word, but I was mostly thinking about the entire army of Toads that did little to nothing at the beginning on the Super Mario Galaxy game.
That and Peach is kidnapped what seems to be every five minutes.

The biggest issue is that they aren't very developed characters, and I'd rather see more reps from other games.

 

[Morbi]

I have a few problems I'd like to address here.

Firstly, people are treating this concept the wrong way and taking character debunks way too personally. We shouldn't have to worry about how the Toad fans, or better yet, the Shy Guy fans will feel about their characters being sent to the grave.
If they're disproven, they're disproven. And it really sucks to see them go.

But that's what this thread is all about. We're supposed to be gathering evidence and organizing it in an easy-to-read format as we try to guess what other character reveals are coming our way.

I don't really think this thread needs a vote either. There should just be a substantial amount of evidence for or against an user. There's nothing wrong with characters coming back from the dead, but if we just used common sense, Shiek wouldn't be anywhere near the morgue, while Shy Guy and Toad should have been kicked to the curb at the start. (We already have so many Mario reps)

Just what I've noticed lurking here.

I honestly agree with this sentiment; we shouldn't have to be subtle about character de-confirmations, this is obviously an extension of the notion that it is awkward voting for which characters are de-confirmed. The most apparent problem is that character de-confirmations are surprisingly subjective in nature. Realistically, if members didn't vote we would only have 3-4 characters de-confirmed (all assist trophies). The premise of your argument is correct though, the thread is about organizing all evidence against a character in an easy-to-read format. So all of the bed-side manner is unnecessary.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I only said 40 to be safe. I could see the final roster to be up to about 45 or 46.

I'll explain why I don't see Toad coming back specifically though.

At the time of this post, 21 characters have been confirmed. 5 of those characters come directly from the Mario franchise already. (7 if you want to get really nit picky and include Yoshi and Donkey Kong). That's about 24% of the current roster coming from the Mario series. Unless this is going to be the next Mario Party, I really don't see any more Mario reps coming back any time soon (or at all)


Toad also wouldn't really bring much to the smash series. All we really know about him is that he's a pawn with a really loud, shrill voice. Other than that they're known to be useless. They don't have any of their own unique abilities (you could fall back on the Mario Party or Super Mario Bros games, but again, they're not unique to Toad at all.)

Currently, Toad's cameo as a human meat shield is perfect. He doesn't need any more than that.

You shouldn'ta dun that.

In ADDITION to the points already made by YoshiandToad, you are mistaken, as Yoshi himself is not confirmed to appear.

 

[YoshiandToad]

If I don't even get Yoshi I think I may just give up on this franchise. I will have met with a terrible fate indeed.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

If I don't even get Yoshi I think I may just give up on this franchise. I will have met with a terrible fate indeed.

He's one of the original twelve, he will be in it.

 

[Gunla]

If I don't even get Yoshi I think I may just give up on this franchise. I will have met with a terrible fate indeed.

...are you really telling me that someone is saying one of the original 8 isn't a lock when he's usually unveiled much later than the others...

 

[jacobj77]

Toad has more to bring to the party than falcon in the original.

 

[APC99]

If I don't even get Yoshi I think I may just give up on this franchise. I will have met with a terrible fate indeed.

Relax, I'm 100% certain Yoshi shall return to the fray. The only question is when.

But, I am deeply saddened by the loss of Toad. But Mega Man and Sonic have softened that blow, and K. Rool, Bandana Dee and Pac-Man, for sure, would make up for it. I just hope he's in the next installment.

Also, I've been thinking rather long about something for the Graveyard.

It's kind of stupid, but...

Does anybody know the musical Chicago? The Cell Block Tango number? I was possibly thinking of a collab where we take the most popular characters (I'd say Ridley, Palutena, K. Rool, Little Mac, Pac-Man and Mii) and put them into the roles of the inmates and describe the disconfirmations of certain characters like Toad, Skull Kid and such. Then, when there's the scene where ALL the inmates begin to dance, it's all popular or unpopular choices for the game. It'd be a cool reference. Just imagine, as this song is going on, with edited lyrics, as you see Geno, Professor Layton, Medusa, Bandana Dee, Ghirahim and Dixie Kong DANCING together. Bowser Junior and Adeline, pointing brushes at each other. Palutena leading Toad, Duck Hunt Dog, Chrom and the Happy Mask Salesman into a march. Silhouettes of Dr. Kawashima, Pichu, Waluigi and Knuckles dancing in the cells. And, instead of the Russian ballerina scene, it's RIDLEY. SCREECHING lines instead of speaking them in his messed-up dragon tongue. No actual words, just grunts and screams of anger.

I came up with it as I listened to the soundtrack waiting for last night's pic. Thoughts?