Social The Ganonic Grimoire - Kongregation of Kings

[Vermanubis]

Just so you gentleganons know, I'm without internet for the next two weeks, with my access being limited on choice days when my class meets in the computer lab. Someone should be covering me though, but I figured I'd let everyone know.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

I haven't played Ganon for a little bit, so I forgot; is Ganoncide is counted as a win for Ganon in Smash 4? I know it was either draw or loss in Brawl, but I forget what it is in this game. Is it a win for Ganondorf?

 

[Tarry]

I haven't played Ganon for a little bit, so I forgot; is Ganoncide is counted as a win for Ganon in Smash 4? I know it was either draw or loss in Brawl, but I forget what it is in this game. Is it a win for Ganondorf?

It is always a win in Smash 4.

 

[Dastardly Ridleylash]

It is always a win in Smash 4.

Right, figured it may have been, but just wanted to make sure, just so I can be accurate.

 

[_Magus_]

Opana Nice Ganondorf impression with DK.

Jk. It is very cool to visibly see someone's skills they picked up from Ganondorf transfer to other characters though.

 

[Naroghin]

Whoa, wait, is the annotation at 3:55 correct? I thought finishing suicides always counted in the initiator's favor by tournament rules.

 

[_Magus_]

Whoa, wait, is the annotation at 3:55 correct? I thought finishing suicides always counted in the initiator's favor by tournament rules.

He corrected himself, but his correction was still wrong. The initiator of a suicide move has always won by tournament rules, at least to my knowledge. I get the feeling Omni just isn't a big fan of suicide moves and would prefer for tournament rules to be the way he wants.

 

[Naroghin]

He corrected himself, but his correction was still wrong. The initiator of a suicide move has always won by tournament rules, at least to my knowledge. I get the feeling Omni just isn't a big fan of suicide moves and would prefer for tournament rules to be the way he wants.

Yeah, that sounds about right. Right after I asked that I remembered a finals (grand finals even?) match posted on these very boards where the Ganon won by Ganoncide.

 

[Scarlet Jile]

Any tournament where Ganon loses by Ganoncide should be shut the **** down immediately, and the TO should go to jail.

 

[_Magus_]

Any tournament where Ganon loses by Ganoncide should be shut the **** down immediately, and the TO should go to jail.

Or just curb stomped with DAir by Ganondorf himself.

 

[jmanup85]

In Central Florida we're discussing making it go by the games decision. Since people can escape Bowser side b and live while he dies.

 

[Vermanubis]

Back from the depths to once again preside over them.

I also want some input from you all. I wanna streamline the boards a bit, but it's difficult to codify what threads belong where at all times. I'm thinking of taking @Z1GMA 's suggestion and making a combo video thread. Secondly, the AT threads I feel deserve more attention than the stickied threads may permit, but I don't want a thread every time an AT's expounded upon.

What do you Ganons think?

 

[Opana]

I think a combo vid thread would be cool, dorf has so many made for him lol.

I feel like the AT should be discussed in the sticky, and if it holds potential make a thread. Minor or highly situational things I'd keep in the sticky. Maybe make a series of topics where we as a community go in depth on ats.

 

[Zam053]

I think a combo vid thread would be cool, dorf has so many made for him lol.

I feel like the AT should be discussed in the sticky, and if it holds potential make a thread. Minor or highly situational things I'd keep in the sticky. Maybe make a series of topics where we as a community go in depth on ats.

The catch is that most people don't do a combo video of Ganon, just put some random Warlock Punch/Stomp/UTilt and called it a day.

About the AT, it would be interesting if the most used techs have their own thread and more situational ones being merged with the sticky. But it would be pretty tough to distinguish some situational, but useful tips on certain MU as deserving or not of a topic.

 

[jmanup85]

The catch is that most people don't do a combo video of Ganon, just put some random Warlock Punch/Stomp/UTilt and called it a day.

About the AT, it would be interesting if the most used techs have their own thread and more situational ones being merged with the sticky. But it would be pretty tough to distinguish some situational, but useful tips on certain MU as deserving or not of a topic.

Nah the most used techs stay on the AT thread since they can be seen in one place. Techs that deserve a thread and can be tested and expanded upon and expounded upon should probably have a separate thread if we feel we can make them work. Obviously that means you should probably get permission to make that thread in the first place.

 

[Bloodynite]

Hello my brothers in arms it has been a while,how has everyone been? While I have been trying to get my life back into working order I have been attending some tourneys as of late when i can. The last event i attended i went to was the MD/VA Arcadian where i almost made it out of my bracketpool only to lose winners finals shamefully and proceed to lose the salty runback in losers.

http://www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp/v/21105842 - This is winners semi match starts at 5:21:30. There is atleast one moment there that could be used in a combo vid. However can someone tell me what happened to me Game 1 around the 4:10 mark where i kinda plopped behind sheik after her dthrow? Is that normall or what?

 

[Naroghin]

The catch is that most people don't do a combo video of Ganon, just put some random Warlock Punch/Stomp/UTilt and called it a day.

That's probably because those moments are the hypest ones that get the most hits. What we need to do is make, upload, and support more creative videos with strings and actual WP/Stomp/Utilt reads. There are plenty of combo/string/solid-play videos like the below, but most people only know about the boring ones where you can tell the maker just trolled FG for days forcing random Wpunches and Vkicks.

You'll notice there is a healthy serving of WPs, Vks, Dairs, Gcides, and WF spikes, but they are mostly applied as a read at the end of a string or perhaps a covered movement option that connects. Hell, most of the strings found here actually are one big read. You can tell because the videos they are uploaded from stay on the channel, so you can see the whole video where he actually won matches/sets through these shenanigans.

 

[_Magus_]

One thing that sets Opana apart from the other Ganons is his aggression. So delicious to watch.

 

[Opana]

I'm actually considering shifting Ganon to a secondary, not sure but I'm consider it. I will never stop using him though, but I hate having an uphill battle from the start. Also, I willingly admit one of my weakest areas is consistancy, and I feel like I definitely need someone who doesn't struggle as much for the days I do play badly. Today I played disgustingly bad lol, and when I ned to approach after my dumb sds I feel defeated already.

All I know for sure is that I can't solo main Ganon anymore, especially if I'm going to be heading to some of these tristate tourneys.

Anyway, gonna experiment with Roy some more since he seems to fit my playstyle.

 

[Ray_Kalm]

Guys, I'm going to a very big international tournament here at home. I believe Ally, M2k and a few notable Japanese players will be there.

Doubles start this Friday, and the tournament ends Sunday.

You better tune in and support me!

 

[adom4]

Man i really want that figure now.
Good luck Ray!

 

[_Magus_]

On a different topic, who has their Star Wars tickets already? XD

 

[Blobface]

Gentleganons

Late reply, but if we keep doing character board crew battles we should call our team the Gentleganons.

And good luck to Ray_Kalm ! show those scrubs what the 'Dorf can do!
(and I still miss brawl Ganon's poses and face. He was just so smug back then. Ah well, guess that's the price you pay when you start putting in effort to get out of garbage tier)

 

[Opana]

Good luck, kick some a** Kalm.

 

[Zam053]

Good luck, mate! Purge those shieks into the shadows.

 

[Showyoucan]

GANONDORF IS TOP TIER GUYS... For having the lowest hurtbox on the ledge that is

 

[Naroghin]

GANONDORF IS TOP TIER GUYS... For having the lowest hurtbox on the ledge that is

I saw that as well. I knew he was somewhere at the top, but I had no idea he was the top, and by a long shot (pun intended, duh).

 

[_Magus_]

I've been a pretty big proponent that Ganondorf isn't as vulnerable on the ledge as other characters since essentially the beginning of this game, but I didn't know his ledge hang was the absolute best. In hindsight though, who did I think beat him? Sometimes I don't understand my own thought processes.

 

[Theosmeo]

I've been a pretty big proponent that Ganondorf isn't as vulnerable on the ledge as other characters since essentially the beginning of this game, but I didn't know his ledge hang was the absolute best. In hindsight though, who did I think beat him? Sometimes I don't understand my own thought processes.

Maybe it's just an inferiority stigma we all have from being so bad in Brawl and having a few stupidly impossible MUs in sm4sh.

The only other thing he's best at is having the best dair and highest mean aerial damage, maybe smash KB too with the Dsmash buff.

 

[_Magus_]

Maybe it's just an inferiority stigma we all have from being so bad in Brawl and having a few stupidly impossible MUs in sm4sh.

The only other thing he's best at is having the best dair and highest mean aerial damage, maybe smash KB too with the Dsmash buff.

You're probably right. It's probably just an underlying assumption that all people, including we Ganon mains, have when it comes to this character: that no matter what aspect of Ganondorf we're discussing, there will always be a character better at that aspect than he.

 

[Theosmeo]

You're probably right. It's probably just an underlying assumption that all people, including we Ganon mains, have when it comes to this character: that no matter what aspect of Ganondorf we're discussing, there will always be a character better at that aspect than he.

But that's something I kind of like about him. If you play him having stupid goofy bravado and on-point reads, and they're underestimating them. You can seriously screw people up.

 

[Theosmeo]

Honestly, I'm surprised how expressive Ganon is considering how slow his moves are. Every Ganon player who focuses on him over the other characters has such a different playstyle that every replay I watch feels extremely different. I see ZSSs, Ness, and Rosa players everywhere and they're all the same, like they just watch Nairo or Dabuz and try to replicate their success rather than make it their own. That's why Ganon tech skill practice has never felt like a chore to me. IDK, maybe this is too deep for someone with a move called warlock punch. :/

 

[Naroghin]

Honestly, I'm surprised how expressive Ganon is considering how slow his moves are. Every Ganon player who focuses on him over the other characters has such a different playstyle that every replay I watch feels extremely different. I see ZSSs, Ness, and Rosa players everywhere and they're all the same, like they just watch Nairo or Dabuz and try to replicate their success rather than make it their own. That's why Ganon tech skill practice has never felt like a chore to me. IDK, maybe this is too deep for someone with a move called warlock punch. :/

Not at all, I've noticed the same thing.

 

[_Magus_]

Honestly, I think Ganondorf is one of the deepest characters in the game in terms of expression and potential. He's also one of those characters that's as deep as you make him. The effort that you put into learning and mastering him, the depth that you dive to, will be rewarded proportionally by Ganondorf in kind.

 

[verbatim]

I think that statement is also applicable to Falcon, Greninja and Sonic. Maybe at launch you could say so the same about Sheik (people still haven't mastered perfect pivot uptilt to start strings yet) and Diddy Kong but they've gotten so much attention that they comparatively have less left to be explored.

Unfortunately for Ganon if a technique can be greatly researched to help him and Sheik, Sheik's going to get the most attention. That being said I feel like Ganon gets an EXTRAORDINARY amount of high level players and research relative to his tier placement.

 

[Theosmeo]

I think that statement is also applicable to Falcon, Greninja and Sonic. Maybe at launch you could say so the same about Sheik (people still haven't mastered perfect pivot uptilt to start strings yet) and Diddy Kong but they've gotten so much attention that they comparatively have less left to be explored.

Unfortunately for Ganon if a technique can be greatly researched to help him and Sheik, Sheik's going to get the most attention. That being said I feel like Ganon gets an EXTRAORDINARY amount of high level players and research relative to his tier placement.

I think that's because he's just such a fun character. More than anyone(except probably falcon) he has a huge community backing, even if it is niche and slightly fanatical.

Also I didn't mean to say that Ganon is the most expressive, just that he's surprisingly flexible despite slow moves and a few extremely situational ones.

 

[_Magus_]

I agree with all that has been said above to varying degrees.

This is more of a personal thing, but I wanted to share this with you guys cuz I consider you all as my brothers in a way. Tonight I passed my final board of review and became an Eagle Scout. I've wanted to be one since I was six years old, and I finally did it. Tonight, I have my victory.

 

[verbatim]

Congrats, I've heard that's hard as heck.

The thing is that the other characters I mentioned get access to some amazing fast movement speeds and early ending moves. Ganon's (and Falcon's kind of both) high level gameplay comes from the fact that some of his moves have very unique properties (Uair's sourspot, dair's untechable flag) that no one else really does.

 

[Theosmeo]

Congrats, I've heard that's hard as heck.

The thing is that the other characters I mentioned get access to some amazing fast movement speeds and early ending moves. Ganon's (and Falcon's kind of both) high level gameplay comes from the fact that some of his moves have very unique properties (Uair's sourspot, dair's untechable flag) that no one else really does.

That's another thing I love, all the hitboxes on one input.

Dair's got that shoulder pop,
Nair1 sets up lots of things,
Fair knocks people backwards at the bottom so they DI wrong, and it's deceptively speedy at the top,
Even dark dive is cool for style sometimes.

Oh, and good work on becoming an Eagle Scout Magus, that takes dedication.

 

[MezzoMe]

Congrats for that.
Speaking of Deepdorf, I've noticed that sometimes I tend too much to go for YOLO FSmashes with My Rosalina, sometimes those are spaced like if they were Ganon's ones, so I can definitely say that there's something radical maining Ganon.
For what concerns videos, I'm just uploading a video about Ganondorf, wich, If I understood something about what Vermanubis repeated several times, should go to the video thread despite the fact that it's almost completely unrelated to the competitive scene, just in virtue of the fact that it's edited, correct me if I'm wrong.