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The Ganon board's tier list
- Thread starter Ray_Kalm
- Start date
stRIP
Smash Ace
And u think you are epic enough for ganon?
You even dont know what a combo MONSTER our good old man is..
TP
Smash Master
My favorite combo: Utilt shield break to Warlock Punch.
**** yeah, Gleam. Eat it.
**** yeah, Gleam. Eat it.
Jim Morrison
Smash Authority
Yesz I do. Stereotypes first, real thoughts later.
hyperstation
Smash Lord
I like all the enthusiasm people have about proving their Ganon and all, but here's the thing: beating someone higher than you on this list - even 10-15 places higher - doesn't mean sh*t as far as I'm concerned unless it's a complete and utter bloodbath, consistently, and without notable lag. Either that or the higher placed, defending Ganon just out rightly says "that dude is better than me...move him up". The problem is, IRL my Ganon is extremely technical, and on wifi, even the subtlest lag limits about half of my more advanced arsenal. I can win on wifi, but it's only because I know what is possible and more importantly, what ISN'T possible online.
Note that everyone at the top of the list has done significant work to advance Ganon as a character. Not only do they play exceedingly well, but they work hard to show new techniques, new concepts, and new ways to overcome Ganon's short comings. Most recently: Z1gma, case and point. The dude has been working HARD to disclose anything he's got that might help the king of evil get better. In addition to that, he happens to have a great Ganon. Thus, he moved up the list, significantly, and I support this move entirely.
The point is this: it doesn't matter where you are on this list. What matters is, when it comes to the showdown, IRL, are you going to be able to win with Ganon? CAN. YOU. KOSKINATE!!!????!!!?!?!?
Note that everyone at the top of the list has done significant work to advance Ganon as a character. Not only do they play exceedingly well, but they work hard to show new techniques, new concepts, and new ways to overcome Ganon's short comings. Most recently: Z1gma, case and point. The dude has been working HARD to disclose anything he's got that might help the king of evil get better. In addition to that, he happens to have a great Ganon. Thus, he moved up the list, significantly, and I support this move entirely.
The point is this: it doesn't matter where you are on this list. What matters is, when it comes to the showdown, IRL, are you going to be able to win with Ganon? CAN. YOU. KOSKINATE!!!????!!!?!?!?
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
I agree with everything you just said. Even if you're able to beat someone above you on the list, in a fair game, wouldn't move you above that particular person and the others below him, rather you would be put up a few more places higher than beating someone a little closer to you on the list. All this with me considering your knowledge and contribution of/to Ganondorf's metagame.
I would assume this is at least somewhat directed at me, I'm not really trying to move up significantly or anything, I'm just one spot away from the high tier. and looks so comfortable and warm up there
I was just wondering if Gleam could vouch for my abilities. Lag was a bit of an issue in some matches but we did play a good amount, and I was just wondering if it was enough to bump me into high tier is all..
Either way, I'd love to play some dittos with any of you high/top tier ganons
Whats difficult is that my laptop has crapped out on me...
so after 4:30 p.m. (central) using a computer is a little difficult for me, but im sure i could work something out.
SaltyKracka
Smash Lord
And then lose to me.Im so **** I koskinate koskinator.
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
I've updated the list again, check it out. Keep in mind that I wasn't just randomly switching everyone around.
Shadows of Evil/High:
DLA
stRIP
Sliq
Flying Dutchman
SaltyKracka
Twilight Prince
Gleam
Blad
Breezy
K_Prime
A2Zomg
Naik
Flux
I moved DLA and stRIP up. Both of them have become more active on these boards and have been contributing more than some of the others, and they preform quite well in matches.
I moved Breezy, Blad and K_Prime down cause of their absence and a bit of lack in skills compared to those above them.
Shadows of Evil/High:
DLA
stRIP
Sliq
Flying Dutchman
SaltyKracka
Twilight Prince
Gleam
Blad
Breezy
K_Prime
A2Zomg
Naik
Flux
I moved DLA and stRIP up. Both of them have become more active on these boards and have been contributing more than some of the others, and they preform quite well in matches.
I moved Breezy, Blad and K_Prime down cause of their absence and a bit of lack in skills compared to those above them.
Lol kracka, I don't know how you deal with the type of lag you have. It may have a green dot but that connection is seriously the choppiest I've ever dealt with. Consistent input lag I suck with but I'll deal with it, but when the lag is inconsistent and slows down whenever it chooses to, I tend to get pissed and throw my controller ><.And then lose to me.
EDIT: LMAO...you're sig made my day salty. Not the quote, but "GIZ punishers." I guess I'm the only one who thinks that could be interpreted as **** punishers
SaltyKracka
Smash Lord
Trust me, it's a *****. Sometimes, it's smooth as silk, but other times, it just randomly begins to lag. I blame my brother and his love of downloading music.
But yeah, I was surprised that I won so much. You're much better than I am. I can't get all of that buffering stuff down online, and to add to that, I play purely based on reaction. There's almost no prediction in my game. And I suck in choppy lag too. It's the one time when I consistently do worse.
BTW, were you sandbagging with your choices out of Murder Choke? I swear that once I figured it out, I killed you so many times with that.
Never thought of that. They're just the characters that I play, and they're all based on punishment. Therefore...Swoops said:
ShinGaruda
Smash Journeyman
Two questions about Shin:
Is he me? Because I'm more commonly referred to as Garuda. My other account messed up, so I had to create this one. Also, if that is me, I use default color.
And number 2, why is he mid and bottom tier? =P
Is he me? Because I'm more commonly referred to as Garuda. My other account messed up, so I had to create this one. Also, if that is me, I use default color.
And number 2, why is he mid and bottom tier? =P
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
That's another Shin, I was told to add him.
stRIP
Smash Ace
Can't you people see Kalm's left him self out, in the awards list?
Please suggest which ones he should be added to.
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Oh! and...
Most social Ganon(s): DAD
Or maybe Caretaker Ganon? I dunnu.. lulz
But something at least.
The man deserves it!
Please suggest which ones he should be added to.
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Oh! and...
Most social Ganon(s): DAD
Or maybe Caretaker Ganon? I dunnu.. lulz
But something at least.
The man deserves it!
Jim Morrison
Smash Authority
i are grammar dorf i alwys go 4 gd punctution etc lol desu i want it
stRIP
Smash Ace
Koskinator
Smash Lord
coughtriplereverseuaircoughIm so **** I koskinate koskinator
Pyrostormer
Smash Lord
Why am I not on this list, lawl? Got 9th at a recent tourney using only Ganon.
I havent put up any new Ganon videos lately so you can look at my old ones. My opponent (Xeno) got 2nd at the tourney also.
I havent put up any new Ganon videos lately so you can look at my old ones. My opponent (Xeno) got 2nd at the tourney also.
Eet's a fluke. A fluke I say!
AfroThunderRule
Smash Journeyman
I wanna be on this list..... :D
Bil
Smash Ace
LOL how, Wifi?
Wifi doesn't mean ANYTHING, sure it helps you on getting to know matchups, and knowing when to do which moves where, but skillwise, Wifi barely means anything. I've went to a tournament and took 4th in teams with Sago who plays Samus. Don't say prove it in singles, because Ganon doesn't even exist in Singles. All a person has to do to beat a Ganon is go Falco.
TP
Smash Master
1) No johns.
2) Wifi is far (very far) from perfect, but it is better than nothing, which is the alternative.
3) Falco is our 3rd or 4th hardest matchup, so you aren't exactly showing how great your knowledge of Ganon is here. Knowledge is somewhat correlated to skill.
4) I'll gladly play you on Wifi to see if you are actually good or not. PM me if you want to.
Guys, this is completely irrelevant, but I landed a "combo" today. Shielded Utilt to shielded Utilt shield break to Up Taunt to reverse Warlock Punch kill. This combo needs a name!
Koskinator
Smash Lord
The ONLY experience my Ganon got in preparation for tournament is wifi. I have gotten as good as I am today by playing Wifi. I drop wifi about a week before a tournament to get used to offline, and get the finer things timed up. Ally, for example, plays a great deal of Wifi, and then he goes to tournaments and ***** everybody. Before you say wifi doesnt mean anything, learn the facts. By the way, I came 2nd place using Ganondorf at the last tournament I went to. Lets see your tournament results with a character higher tier lol.
Little England
Smash Master
^^
Get *****?!.....Yeah get ***** lolololollololol
Get *****?!.....Yeah get ***** lolololollololol
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
Falco, sadly, is our worst match-up.
stRIP
Smash Ace
If its offline u can tech the Chainspike, i dont have any problems with it..but..40-50%...no comment
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
You'll need to practice teching the CG > Spike first, and even with that, Falco's still our worst.
stRIP
Smash Ace
Sgt. Baker
Smash Ace
Woah, where have I've been? I didn't know this is back up. I gotta stop lurking in the Diddy Kong and Lucas boards 
But hmmm, Idk what I was going to say. I felt like it was my tournament post that closed the last tier list post so I stopped coming here for awhile
But I guess everything is better?
But hmmm, Idk what I was going to say. I felt like it was my tournament post that closed the last tier list post so I stopped coming here for awhile
But I guess everything is better?
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
Your tournament post..?Woah, where have I've been? I didn't know this is back up. I gotta stop lurking in the Diddy Kong and Lucas boards
But hmmm, Idk what I was going to say. I felt like it was my tournament post that closed the last tier list post so I stopped coming here for awhile
But I guess everything is better?
A2ZOMG
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I doubt Falco is Ganondorf's worst matchup.
The chainspike isn't nearly as big of a deal as people say it is. You can meteor cancel it, and moreoever, let the Falco laser camp you if he's dumb enough so that he can't CG you. Also, just don't get grabbed near the edge....seriously. He can't really touch you when you edgecamp either.
Of course, he still has more raw advantages besides that since his laser camping is really lame, and some of his close range stuff is stupidly fast and hard to punish. If you DI well though he's not that good at edgeguarding and his KO power is low.
Sheik on the other hand, is ALWAYS a threat when it comes to comboing and gimping you. And she's stupidly fast and harder to punish than Falco and her low stance on many attacks is hard for Ganon to deal with. Needle camping hurts Ganondorf just as badly, if not worse than laser camping by the way.
And don't get me started on the Ice Climbers, who are BY FAR Ganondorf's worst matchup.
The chainspike isn't nearly as big of a deal as people say it is. You can meteor cancel it, and moreoever, let the Falco laser camp you if he's dumb enough so that he can't CG you. Also, just don't get grabbed near the edge....seriously. He can't really touch you when you edgecamp either.
Of course, he still has more raw advantages besides that since his laser camping is really lame, and some of his close range stuff is stupidly fast and hard to punish. If you DI well though he's not that good at edgeguarding and his KO power is low.
Sheik on the other hand, is ALWAYS a threat when it comes to comboing and gimping you. And she's stupidly fast and harder to punish than Falco and her low stance on many attacks is hard for Ganon to deal with. Needle camping hurts Ganondorf just as badly, if not worse than laser camping by the way.
And don't get me started on the Ice Climbers, who are BY FAR Ganondorf's worst matchup.
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
Falco has a fair amount of KO power (in some of his attacks). His FSmash comes out fairly fast and has enough KO power to KO Ganon at around 90%, he also KOs Ganon faster than Ganon KOs him. Other than that, he beats us in EVERY other aspect. Grab game, spike, in the air, off-stage, projectiles etc.. And you could be sure that a grab at early percentages would ALWAYS lead to a KO, unless you know how to tech it.
Sgt. Baker
Smash Ace
In the last Ganon Board Tier list I posted a topic about how I did at a tournament. Next thing I know, the thread gets closed down. I thought it was because of my post about a tournament in a wrong area but then I saw that Rule #7 was about favoring certain people and the like (or something like that lol)