The Founding of D Gamesia - Game over? Who scum wins reigned supreme in DGames?

[Purple]

I'm not sure if that would be a town tell or null tell on ryker's half, but i mean. He did piss people off on purpose for reads, but he didn't do it this time.

 

[Purple]

I'm really not going to read MS's stuff, i feel i'll misinterpret it somehowand get ****ced. someone explain it. preferably dud3r since he was the center of it

 

[th3duder]

i'll keep you to your word, chaco and beat. read it and catch up. theres no deadline but dont take long or the mod will impose one.

@mod - did you prod foreverzero? thanks.

I'm really not going to read MS's stuff, i feel i'll misinterpret it somehowand get ****ced. someone explain it. preferably dud3r since he was the center of it

surely you know that is a bad suggestion. you shouldn't want anyone's perspective or analysis of a back-and-forth more than your own; also, at least to YOU, we (th3duder) would be an unreliable narrator.

 

[Purple]

I trust you, tell me what happened

 

[th3duder]

zz z

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Sorry for no post toDay. I had some unexpected dog sitting to do, as well as some other errands and Genesis 2 to watch. /johns

I have pretty much caught up with everything, but I'm too tired to post right now. Will do so tomorrow.

 

[-Vocal-]

I had typed a post, but decided against actually posting it upon realizing it was just inebriated rambling.

Long story short, I want more mafia to read. Come on folks, tomorrow's Sunday, no one does anything on Sunday anyways so give me some interesting plot developments to analyze

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I shall prod ForeverZero immediately.

 

[Purple]

Okay, I read it because i'm a lazy ****.


So, I think th3duder makes the most sense to me in this particular
situation.
He's right in the idea that sizzle is definitely reaching each case he puts against him. I know personally that as a hydra even though you work together, you don't particularly work together you don't always see eye to eye, or in this case, you don't always communicate before posting, this is a prime examole of that. I feel dud3r is town still, but man, i can't particularly say MS is scum due to this altercation, just reaching beyond all belief.

 

[Beat!]

I'm here.

I'm reading.

I will post when I'm done.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

So anyways, I have caught up, and I have to say that I agree with Soup. The battle between Duder and MS is definitly either TvT or SvT. It's highly unlikely that it's SvS.

Anyways, some other things I’ve noticed.

I’m not liking this post:

You're flat wrong. What you've done here is take each of our quotes where we explained why what you did is wrong and scummy and say "no u." You're sticking to your original argument to which we will continue to have our initial problem. You are wrong and are trying to entice us into trading walls with you which doesn't help town at all.

There is nothing new in your post.

Cut it down to no more than five one sentence questions based on our case. We aren't playing your game.

Also, drop the ad-hominen. Almost all of your posts since our case have included at least some attempt discredit us.

Here, MS did not address any of Duder’s defense at all. Instead, he simply dropped a blanket statement on it. Duder did actually bring up accurate points to his defense. MS has stated that Duder’s post is simply a “no u.” Now, Duder did point out contradictions in MS’s post, but that was because he was defending against MS’s case. Duder’s defense post is in no way an OMGUS like MS implies it is. If someone attacks you with faulty logic, then pointing out the faulty logic is not a simple OMGUS. It’s a simple to defense.

MS has stated that he does not want to trade walls. Okay, fine, but that doesn’t mean you can just dismiss the entire rebuttal to your own case with a blanket term, especially when that’s not the case. Couldn’t MS at least address just the parts he found relevant at the very least?

MS has not followed up on his oringal case against Duder, instead chosing to focus on more shallow things. Ever since this post, the quality of MS’s accusations has fallen.

For example, I agree with Duder that MS has been reaching in several instances. At one point, MS accuses Duder of fluffing in a hypocritical manner (this is after Duder attacked Raz for fluffing). However, while it is true that several of Duder's post where fluffy useless posts, it is also true that much more of his post contain relevant content in them. Fluffing is only relevant when someone is almost ONLY posting fluff. Duder has most certainly not done that, so calling him out on it is folly.

Two other points that I felt was reaching on MS's behalf are his points about the hydra logs and his timing on posting. Unless the hydra logs are obviously being faked, then the existence of them should be treated as null. If I'm understanding correctly, MS thinks they are being faked due to the last bits of the hydra logs, where Kuz and Tom talk about the hydra logs. MS states that he thinks Duder is fishing for town cred. This may be true, but it also might not be. It's WIFOM, it's an unprovable accusations, and it's a null tell. It should be treated as such.

The other point was MS pointing out Duder's somewhat slow reactions, accusing him of delaying his response (or at least implying it). Again an unprovable accusations, and thus a null tell. MS should not be using this reasoning to incriminate Duder.

Now, all this said, I agree that MS oringal case against Duder had merit, because I felt that Duder’s accustions against Raz were weak and shallow (accusations of someone fluffing so early seems weak and shallow to me).

So yeah, my two cents on this situation.

Really, we need feedback from others. I feel like the majority of players in this game has even commented on really anything yet.

 

[ForeverZero]

OS here. Didn't even know the game started. Will read up and post now that I know the game exists (*glares at mod*).

 

[ForeverZero]

I'm just going through and commenting on things as I'm reading, so this is all in chronological order. My thoughts may or may not change by the time you reach the bottom of this post, so... don't garrote me.

3. Once the King of D Gamesia has declared the phrase OFF WITH [PLAYER X]’S HEAD, said player will be sent to the noose for lynching.

You don't lose your head when sent to the noose. Just saying.

6. ForeverZero (frozenflame751/Overswarm) - Since we're in an open set up, you can't gambit. Sorry.

You'd think that ;D

@ForeverZero - the four of us all know you could easily prove the Rabbit King wrong with any number of gambits even though its an open setup. if you do try to prove him wrong, just make sure it skews the game heavily in town's favor

Done and done.

@Everyone: In one post, tell me if you think voting for this game would be a good idea or not (as in voting for who I kill). Note that (assuming we go down this path) I may not listin to the votecount if it's wrong.

I've read other people's answer to this question, and I'm frankly appalled at the idea that everyone is speaking of votecounts as if it is a yes or no question.

Solution: Do votecounts Detective style, everyone gets one permanent vote. This gives us more to work off of than even a normal votecount. Since every vote is permanent, we can't use them for "pressure" or other manipulative garbage. Every "vote" is essentially what someone's kill would be if they were king, and they only get one.

In this way, we can get information based off of how long it takes for someone to vote, how early someone decides to vote, who they vote for, etc., etc., and not be bogged down or confused by it. It'll be crystal clear; your vote for someone means you want them to die at that instant.

As for who does the votecounts, for simplicity's sake it should be the king. This way we don't need a new person to do the count if the vote counting player is killed, and should any mistake be made by the person doing the votecounts it is the King anyway so no one can say "omg he left off that vote he must be scum" or other such foolery.

Do you agree, Sword?

When (not if) we are given king, we will be shooting Forever Zero (assuming he is alive), no questions asked. If Sworddancer would kindly accomplish this task for us, then we will be super obv town and win the game.

Also, voting system be damned, I'm not keeping up with it. You can tell that we want to shoot F0.

We hadn't even posted yet at this point.

Didn't know you thought we were that good.

Love you too, by the way.

Instead of having kingmaker claim, just have everyone publicly claim who they want crowned before our Rabbit King executes someone. That way the KM can just check what the majority/people he or she trusts/whatever wants.

This is a bad idea. When voting for someone to be killed, it's not a big deal to have mafia vote with you; yes, they have a voting block, but you can track that block and its consequences. If the same 3 people pushed for town's death in unison every time it'd be pretty obvious.

If the same people are able to vote for who they want king, any halfway appropriate candidate would have a boost of several votes from the scum block, and there would be no way to associate their votes with the king's kill until after that king dies and flips.

Kingmaker should privately make his king choice and keep scum guessing.

Originally Posted by vVv ChiboSempai
Can the hydras who haven't yet put the ppl in the location like all others? I keep forgetting who is in which

Question: Why does it matter so long as the two halves only post on the hydra?

I need to remember who is in each Hydra to help me pick out what is unusual. It makes it easier for me, personally.

At this point, our definite scum read is Forever Zero.

Why, exactly?

After reading your squabble with Tom/Kuz, I have some questions.

1) If you had King now, would you kill theduder or myself?

2) Looking at the player list, the two strongest players seem to be myself and Frozen's hydra and Tom'Kuz's hydra. Why are we both your only choices for attention?

The duder's play hasn't been bad from what I've seen. It more looks like he ragged on someone for being stupid and that exploded. And wasted my time.

 

[-Vocal-]

I'm not too keen on this "Detective Style" voting system. I feel like the criteria for scum tells that you posted are too arbitrary. For example, let's say that I and Player X both end up voting for Player B, only Player X votes sooner than me. While Player X votes somewhat impulsively and off of gut feeling, I try to find more solid evidence before casting my votes. In this scenario, his playstyle grants him an inherent advantage even though it's not necessarily better.

I would much rather use the ad-hoc voting system I proposed earlier.

 

[Overswarm]

Subscribing with my original account so I can get updates

 

[Purple]

OS here. Didn't even know the game started. Will read up and post now that I know the game exists (*glares at mod*).

What about FF? Why hasn't he posted?

 

[Purple]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9JTuBV8FuA&feature=channel_video_title

which is why i won't be here today.

 

[Marluxia_]

J side back from V/LA for this game and now I'm reading. Will try and post some things before I head to sleep.

 

[Marluxia_]

Ryker vs. Kuzi was really annoying to watch because it was getting a little petty throughout some of it. From the argument itself, I agree to the sentiment of it not being SvS. I even do not really see it being TvS as well.

Random? Do you not see what Soup was getting at? He need not explain it to you, as the reason for the suspicion is clear, even without explanation.

What's the point of pointing something out that thou only finds to be null?

Bandit, I find this attack shallow, and am not pleased by it.

He FoS'd Chibo for a reason I thought was not sufficent. What Chibo said was more of a null tell of anything, in fact I could see townChibo saying that over scumChibo personally.

It wasn't an "attack" but I think I'd start getting into a grammatical/schematics debate if I continue. Also no one has called me Bandit in the longest time.

========

So overall, before talking to the other side my thoughts are kind of jumbled. The reason being is that a majority of the players (including us) have been M.I.A. and the battle has been focused almost solely around Kuzi/Ryker.

Oh I like Soupa this game a lot so that reads changed from earlier.

Roxy, Can you give me a read on Vocal? Then tell me what you think of Swords. Who are you leaning towards as your scum-picks?

Chaco/Beat, I am keen to hear what your posts have to offer because like us, you have a literal content of nothing. I would like your reads on Roxy and Soupa. If you had to choose one of them for King, who and why.

MS, what do you think of F0 now that he's posted?

Swords, how is your Chibo read? Is it still consistent with what you said earlier?

Duder, your read on Soupa please. I also had a question I'd like to steal from F0 for you two.

1) If you had King now, would you kill MS or someone else?

I re-arranged the quote a bit.

========

Marluxia's now caught up (well half but meh ya get what I mean).

 

[Marluxia_]

EBWOP: Question just popped into my head.

Vocal, I'd like to know who you personally would like to see lynched this moment if you had to pick someone.

Also where's Zen? I miss him. I miss his scum-picks as well.

 

[-Vocal-]

EBWOP: Question just popped into my head.

Vocal, I'd like to know who you personally would like to see lynched this moment if you had to pick someone.

Also where's Zen? I miss him. I miss his scum-picks as well.

You know I'm no good at early day one picks :< It's also hard to say at this point. As you mentioned, many players have been mia, which has resulted in there being very few bonds between players, and I don't see anything fruitful rising from the ones that have been crafted so far.

I don't know who I would choose. The only slightly scummy tell I've seen so far is when duder seemed to skim over my thoughts about Kingmaker claiming, but it's a shaky piece of evidence that could be explained by any number of things. It's something to keep in mind, but not very convincing by itself.

So I guess duder, but at the same time I dislike saying that since they've at least been active :/

 

[Marluxia_]

Okay thank you and thanks for giving your reasoning with it as well.

Whatcha think of Roxy? Would you mind seeing Swords be King another day? Who wouldn't you wanna see be lynched(besides yourself)?

 

[Marluxia_]

Oh just in case people don't know what I'm talking about because I keep on saying it a lot.

Roxy = Purple

I'm just used to calling him Roxy.

 

[-Vocal-]

Oh Purple is Roxy? Didn't even know, I've now played with three people in this game before

Thoughts on Purple: he has a great signature, psychedelic sheep are win. On topic: can't tell if he's serious about thinking that Soup is scum yet, but it'll be interesting to see how that develops. I agree with his sentiment that Sizzle is trying to control people (I've just sort of assumed that's his playstyle). Overall he's still null to me.

I would be fine seeing Swords as king again. He seems like the sort of person that will listen to all input and make a logical decision based on that combined with his own reads; I'd be more worried about a renegade like MS being crowned.

As for who I would like to see not lynched, it would be a tie between Soup and F0. Soup's had a level headed approach to the game so far and I'd like to see him continue playing. F0 may seem like an odd choice due to how little they've contributed, but I know that both OS and FF are strong players and I feel that it's a good idea to keep strong players alive for at least the first couple Days.

 

[Xivii]

J answer my 257.
Chibo, answer my 255.


Ryker how ******** are you? Seriously your posts are getting really aggravating.


As for KM claiming, I agree with Tom that it doesn't matter either way. Personally I'd like for KM to claim to have a clear around. And as has been said, maf killing KM just forces us another clear at random.

Chibo and J are suspicious. MS and Sword look town to me. Null on everyone else.

OS please don't answer questions not directed at you.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@Foreverzero: I don't see too much benefit of making a player "vote" for who they want dead, when it seems to me that that should happen naturally anyways, besides from forcing stances out of coasters. Seems simple enough to implent. Don't want to waste the time to arguing about this though tbh in case anyone has any greviance against it tbh.

@Marluxia: Nothing has changed with reguards to my chibo read.

@Vocal: You're constantly playing up the balant buddy/mr. nice guy card. Not only that, but you're giving out weak stances and justifying them because "I'm not a good player." Usually this kind of thing wouldn't worry me too much, but you're doing it pretty extensively, and I'm honestly becoming a bit paranoid about it.

IGMEOU

Also updates on my reads:

Soup town

Purple/Duder slight town

MS/Vocal null

Chibo/J slight scum

everyone else null due to inactivity


Purple and Duder are slight town

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Oh, and I forgot to mention that before I noticed your tendacies Vocal, I had you at slight town as a newbie town read, which is why I have you at null now.

 

[-Vocal-]

@Foreverzero: I don't see too much benefit of making a player "vote" for who they want dead, when it seems to me that that should happen naturally anyways, besides from forcing stances out of coasters. Seems simple enough to implent. Don't want to waste the time to arguing about this though tbh in case anyone has any greviance against it tbh.

@Marluxia: Nothing has changed with reguards to my chibo read.

@Vocal: You're constantly playing up the balant buddy/mr. nice guy card. Not only that, but you're giving out weak stances and justifying them because "I'm not a good player." Usually this kind of thing wouldn't worry me too much, but you're doing it pretty extensively, and I'm honestly becoming a bit paranoid about it.

IGMEOU

Also updates on my reads:

Soup town

Purple/Duder slight town

MS/Vocal null

Chibo/J slight scum

everyone else null due to inactivity


Purple and Duder are slight town

I can live with this for now. I'd give a stronger stance if I could form one. No worries; I tend to take increasingly harder lines after more substantial activity.

 

[Meadowsizzle]

As for KM claiming, I agree with Tom that it doesn't matter either way. Personally I'd like for KM to claim to have a clear around. And as has been said, maf killing KM just forces us another clear at random.

Are you stupid? Can you not think? Did your parents drop you when you were a child? Are you stupid? Or is it all of the above?

It's not just a random clear. More importantly, it's a different clear with a role that they can influence. We're never gonna lynch a claimed Kingmaker, so they have nothing held over their heads to make them do what town wants. That means scum can wait until they get a sympathetic kingmaker to stop killing him. This is bad.

Example. Scum Sworddancer sees this post.

I would be fine seeing Swords as king again. He seems like the sort of person that will listen to all input and make a logical decision based on that combined with his own reads; I'd be more worried about a renegade like MS being crowned.

Zen claims kingmaker and the scum night kill him. Much to my frustration, Vocal becomes the king. The scum then refrain from killing him because his reads are EXACTLY where they want the kingmaker's reads to be.




Getting to everything else after I shower.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

EBWOP: Vocal becomes the "kingmaker"

 

[Meadowsizzle]

EBWOP: Vocal becomes the "kingmaker"

 

[Purple]

I was serious about soup being scum, I really didn't like him throwing out town reads constantly. Not just null reads, town reads. I never do like that personally.

 

[th3duder]

Are you stupid? Can you not think? Did your parents drop you when you were a child? Are you stupid? Or is it all of the above?

It's not just a random clear. More importantly, it's a different clear with a role that they can influence. We're never gonna lynch a claimed Kingmaker, so they have nothing held over their heads to make them do what town wants. That means scum can wait until they get a sympathetic kingmaker to stop killing him. This is bad.

Deeeeeeeeerp.

Do you know what the percentage change of this actually happening is? This is probably the only con you can think of which comes no where close to outweighing the pros to doing so. We get a new clear every single day. Scum don't get to choose the clear, it is chosen at random. The chances of scum killing the kingmaker and then randomly getting a king who's reads line up perfectly with scum's and we get a bad pick is the exact same as the current kingmaker making that same choice, regardless of who it is. You also need respond to my 278 before I start getting pissy and call you out for inactivity meta. Oh and my 348.

Refer to the second post I made after that, about the two types of tunneling. Honestly I expected you both to drop it after my original statement on the matter, and you pushing past it seemed odd, especially after your answer to my question about your scum read on him. If you don't know if he's town or scum, why are you still pushing this issue so far, even after multiple people have mentioned that it doesn't seem to be a worthwhile endeavor?

If someone attacks you, you don't just ignore it. I'm not tunneling MS, he's tunneling me and I'm just along for the ride to defend myself from the streams of bull****. Your two types of tunneling also make no sense as you're trying to say that MS feels town because he's doing one type of tunneling and then question me about why I've pushed the issue so far, since multiple people say its worthless. Why havn't you questioned why Meadowsizzle pushed the issue so far, since multiple people have called it worthless?

My opinion right now is that it's the second. My opinion on you is still closer to null, though your skimming over my thoughts on Kingmaker claiming has been flagged for future reference.

Wait. Didn't you just have a town read on MS? When did your read change to him being scum trying to strongarm my lynch?

He's right in the idea that sizzle is definitely reaching each case he puts against him. I know personally that as a hydra even though you work together, you don't particularly work together you don't always see eye to eye, or in this case, you don't always communicate before posting, this is a prime examole of that. I feel dud3r is town still, but man, i can't particularly say MS is scum due to this altercation, just reaching beyond all belief.

The annoying thing is, I agree with you, but can you tell me what specifically is giving you a townMS read despite acknowledging that he has been reaching beyond all belief?

He FoS'd Chibo for a reason I thought was not sufficent. What Chibo said was more of a null tell of anything, in fact I could see townChibo saying that over scumChibo personally.

It wasn't an "attack" but I think I'd start getting into a grammatical/schematics debate if I continue. Also no one has called me Bandit in the longest time.

If Soup is suspicious for FoSing Chibo for what you call reasoning that wasn't sufficient, what do you think of Vocal who FoS'd you for not formatting Zen's name correctly? Also, how could you see townChibo saying that more than scumChibo?

Duder, your read on Soupa please.

Null.

1) If you had King now, would you kill MS or someone else?

Someone else. Either your or Raziek, probably.

Can you give me a read on him, btw?

 

[th3duder]

@Foreverzero: I don't see too much benefit of making a player "vote" for who they want dead, when it seems to me that that should happen naturally anyways, besides from forcing stances out of coasters. Seems simple enough to implent. Don't want to waste the time to arguing about this though tbh in case anyone has any greviance against it tbh.

@Marluxia: Nothing has changed with reguards to my chibo read.

@Vocal: You're constantly playing up the balant buddy/mr. nice guy card. Not only that, but you're giving out weak stances and justifying them because "I'm not a good player." Usually this kind of thing wouldn't worry me too much, but you're doing it pretty extensively, and I'm honestly becoming a bit paranoid about it.

IGMEOU

Also updates on my reads:

Soup town

Purple/Duder slight town

MS/Vocal null

Chibo/J slight scum

everyone else null due to inactivity


Purple and Duder are slight town

Why'd you list us twice? lol

This is an okay list. I would change a few things.

Chibo has been pretty inactive based on your standards, I would say. What specifically about his slot has perturbed you enough to give a slight scum read?

I'm also curious as to your reasoning for Soup being obvtown.

 

[th3duder]

I was serious about soup being scum, I really didn't like him throwing out town reads constantly. Not just null reads, town reads. I never do like that personally.

That's not what bothers me about him, it's that he has no trouble throwing out random town reads but then doesn't explain his reasoning for it unless you pretty much force it out of him.

When Soup townhunts (yes, soup does townhunt) he's usually pretty proactive and vocal about his read and reasoning. He just doesn't say "I like X, discuss" which does bother me.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm good calling duder town for these last couple of posts, I also re-thought the raziek situation and see it more town motive besides the little areas that bug me, I also feel that duder is legitimately concerned with little things (hi kuz) and I like that.

I'm also leaning town on ms, I feel the attack is shallow and a giant reach-fest, but this is something I can see ryker doing.

That doesn't mean I condone it, there was some serious tunnel vision on duder and ryker's outbursts annoy me.

Vocal is reading newtown, or perhaps novice town, I feel he is modest and generally concerned on points as he shows attempt to get his two cents out there. I don't his sidelining, but it's not much of an issue.

Purple is town looking too.

Rest of my reads haven't changed.

 

[ForeverZero]

I'm good calling duder town for these last couple of posts, I also re-thought the raziek situation and see it more town motive besides the little areas that bug me, I also feel that duder is legitimately concerned with little things (hi kuz) and I like that.

I'm also leaning town on ms, I feel the attack is shallow and a giant reach-fest, but this is something I can see ryker doing.

That doesn't mean I condone it, there was some serious tunnel vision on duder and ryker's outbursts annoy me.

Vocal is reading newtown, or perhaps novice town, I feel he is modest and generally concerned on points as he shows attempt to get his two cents out there. I don't his sidelining, but it's not much of an issue.

Purple is town looking too.

Rest of my reads haven't changed.

Is there any particular reason your town reads happen to be listed here in what is almost the exact order of most posts, from the top down?

Not saying your reads aren't legitimate. Just that there is a correlation to people who post a lot and who you wish to call townie. Wondering if this is on purpose, or if you just naturally think active people are town.

One of the reasons it stands out is this:

Vocal is reading newtown, or perhaps novice town, I feel he is modest and generally concerned on points as he shows attempt to get his two cents out there. I don't his sidelining, but it's not much of an issue.

Vocal is posting, but is staying on the sideline the entire time, and you consider that not to be an issue and then say he's town?

Say it ain't so, Soup.

 

[Xivii]

Are you stupid? Can you not think? Did your parents drop you when you were a child? Are you stupid? Or is it all of the above?

It's not just a random clear. More importantly, it's a different clear with a role that they can influence. We're never gonna lynch a claimed Kingmaker, so they have nothing held over their heads to make them do what town wants. That means scum can wait until they get a sympathetic kingmaker to stop killing him. This is bad.

Example. Scum Sworddancer sees this post.



Zen claims kingmaker and the scum night kill him. Much to my frustration, Vocal becomes the king. The scum then refrain from killing him because his reads are EXACTLY where they want the kingmaker's reads to be.




Getting to everything else after I shower.

This is complete nonsense. Scum cannot control who is King Maker. It's completely random. This for one is a benefit, as someone who was suspicious previously could be cleared instantly. Your point about Vocal and Sword is set up in a way just to support your argument. TownVocal would have just as much chance as becoming KM as any othet town member, and ScumSword would not have control over who Vocal picks as king. Just because Vocal stated that he would be fine with Sword as king again doesn't say anything about whether he'd actually pick him to be king.

 

[Beat!]

K, I've no idea what to make of the MS vs duder discussion. They're both null to me.

I still think Raz could be scum, and I agree with Roxy about Soup throwing out town reads to left and right. He's probably scum as well.

@Marluxia Soup scum, Roxy null. Mb scum if soup town. I don't think they're scum together.

 

[Beat!]

Sword, if you had to kill someone this instant, who would it be, and why?