The Founding of D Gamesia - Game over? Who scum wins reigned supreme in DGames?

[-Vocal-]

Whoever said I was attacking Zen because he attacked me? (which he really hasn't at all)

@Beat: I guess you answered my question that your reasoning on RazScum is still the same....even though it's a reaching point? It's also a lot like what th3duder posted w.r.t. him. Also most of his talk has been about mechanics surrounding the KM and that's it.

@Vocal: Thank you for explaining that w.r.t to MS. Now what do you think of Beat's reasoning for RazScum?

I agree with his opinions but not on the read. I don't really like labeling people that go mia as town unless the reason is just that they're deciding to lurk. His posts so far haven't meant much, but he was only here for a part of the game when there wasn't much going on.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Dunno, I don't think its more of less telling me what to do, but just that not letting you get anything out of me.

I don't care, really, I'm not sure why duder doesn't want me to but I'm not going to just ignore someone's question just because duder doesn't want me to.

 

[Marluxia_]

Most of my responses to your last three quotes are "..." and I'll leave it at that. So then tell me, what was your opinion on his FoS?

th3duder, that's your opinion on you not gaining anything. Who's to say other people don't gain other things by doing other things? You were also advicing him to listen to you and not answer what I asked.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Phone ninjss, everywhere.

 

[th3duder]

With his clarification, its still null. Soup is just incredibly null to me. He's done some thing I like and some things I don't.

And you're misinterpreting my post again. I don't know whether you just don't understand this simple concept or you're choosing to view it this way. I told Soup to feel free not to answer the question. I wasn't advising him which option to take. When someone asks you a question, its usually second nature to respond to it (unless you're gheb) and I just told him he had the option. Soup is right in that its more about you not getting information out of him than me telling him what to do.

@Zen: Can you give me your read on J after this little exchange?

 

[Beat!]

@Beat: I guess you answered my question that your reasoning on RazScum is still the same....even though it's a reaching point? It's also a lot like what th3duder posted w.r.t. him. Also most of his talk has been about mechanics surrounding the KM and that's it.
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Well, he hasn't made very many posts at all. As I said, it's not a very strong read. I never said it was the scum tell of the decade or something, so idk how it can be reaching. All I said was that his posts gave me a slight scum read on him.

 

[Marluxia_]

th3duder, seriously, Moth is in this hydra too and it annoys me that people ignore him because he signed up to play as well. Like I know it's Kuzi posting but you don't see me saying stuff like that. /out of game rant

What is your point from bringing up that option? He isn't a drone who goes "Oh question, I must auto-respond.". Everyone knows that if they don't like a question, they don't have to answer it. You posted that to show he has the option of not responding, however, in doing so you also imply that you don't want him to and your opinion on those questions.

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Beat, can you give me your second scum read please?

 

[ForeverZero]

@f0 if someone isn't here, I can't get a read on them, simple as that.

I'm reading him as newtown, so the objective shouldn't be that sidelining is bad, I tended to sideline my first game.

@purple

There's a plethora of inactives, I think Chibo is dumbtown, beat looks okay still, but f0 is a case of curiosity.

I don't like his point with me only having actives as town, because that's not the full story, it depends what you are posting, activity doesn't sell me in full. but of course it is harder to get reads on inactives.

I'm confused. At the time of you posting this, I had a grand total of 4 posts; two of them being "confirm" posts. I came into this game late; having a null read on me would be acceptable. After all, you said if someone isn't here, you can't get a read on them.

"Simple as that."

Yet despite saying nothing about me all game, the moment I ask you why your town reads happen to be the people who are posting the most, I'm your sudden scum read?

That's a bit of knee jerk reaction, don't you think? OMGUS doesn't make for clear thinking. I only asked you some questions.

f0 is one, or could be one.

Rest I'm sticking to.

Is one, or could be one? You don't have a backbone, Soupa. Maybe I'd be more townie to you if I posted more.

I'd like to know why your town and scum reads are so incredibly shallow, Soup. It seems incredibly convenient for your town reads to be post-a-lots and your "he MIGHT be scum" read being the guy calling you out on it.

You said Vocal is your town read on Meta. You personally stay on the sidelines in your first game, so Vocal probably does the same thing. I don't personally like that, as it being Vocal's first game doesn't change his alignment and he'd probably do the same as scum or town, but I'll accept it for now. I'm sure you'll change your reads later when more information is available to you.

To lower the hairs on the back of your neck, I don't currently think you're scum. But I do think you're playing in a way that is either manipulative or shallow, and I dislike both.

In addition to some clarification on your reads Soup, I'd like to know who you'd kill right now if you could only kill two people other than myself and you.

To recap:

1) Clarify your town reads other than Vocal; give the whys
2) Who would you kill other than myself and you if you had to daykill two people right now

I stop him from giving you information that you don't need to have.

As for Zen, the few posts he's made has been logical and explanatory (imo), and I agree with a lot of it. That's not necessarily a town tell, but there's not much to base a read on, and I at least don't feel any scum vibes.

I like theduder and Beat so far. I know Beat like the back of my hand, and th3duder has been playing a very poor scum game if he is scum. Drawing attention to yourself and putting a line down the sand in a passive voice is just asking to be killed in a Kingmaker setup. Meadow's active voice could work, but the passive "I'm just defending myself" that Duder is doing seems townie to me. Too inefficient as scum.



Sworddancer, if we could get some content from you that would be preferrable. We can bicker amongst ourselves forever (literally), so you might as well tell us what you'd like to see discussed.

Beat, can you give me your second scum read please?

Why are you asking Beat what his second scum read is? Has he suggested that he has another?

Even his Raziek comments were admittedly a "slight scum read".

This is a loaded question and I dislike it.

 

[th3duder]

Sorry, J.

He might have answered the question before thinking through your intentions for asking the question. The point of giving him the option was to get him to think about what he was responding to before actually doing so, which did happen. Regardless of which way you're trying to angle this, it doesn't change the fact that I wasn't telling Soup what to do, just giving him an option.

 

[Marluxia_]

How in the world is that a loaded question? He's said he thinks Soupa is scum iirc and I was wondering who else, if anyone, he was getting scum-vibes from. Raziek comments he did say were a slight scum-read but that's it.

Though I like your th3duder read because it's pretty much what I'm thinking.

 

[Marluxia_]

Sorry, J.

Why must you do that to be an ***?

 

[th3duder]

@F0: You know scumBeat like the back of your hand. Have you played with townBeat before or does this just not remind you of scumBeat? Any other reasoning from the town read besides meta?

What's your read on Soup?

 

[th3duder]

Nvm, thought your read in the above post was on vocal, not soup.

 

[Marluxia_]

I'm still staring at 425 looking for an answer but I doubt I'll get one.

Soupa, who don't you wanna see Swords lynch? Then tell me the person you are having the hardest time reading atm. Followed by, who you'd personally like to see as the next King?

To recap:

1) Clarify your town reads other than Vocal; give the whys
2) Who would you kill other than myself and you if you had to daykill two people right now

th3duder, what is the difference between these two quotes?

 

[Marluxia_]

What could you hope to gain from knowing Soup's obvtown list, the players he can't read very well, and a question that should always be answered with "me"?

And if not answered with me, then just another player on Soup's obvtown list. As a town player, why would you want to know these things?

Especially moreso when you said this.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@f0
I'm not judging to the kinder of how much you post, its what you are posting, like I said.

The same goes for you, I feel the point is mundane, you're judging me on assumption that My reads are coming from activity, it's ignoring what I'm doing and twisting it to another point, the same goes with your latest post, you twist the point and slam it, and then, you say "eh well I still think you're town, but I'm just warning you."

Who's the shallow one here?

Anyways, forget the maybe and make it into to yes, sure, this is knee-jerk, but I don't care.

 

[th3duder]

This isn't Vocal's first game btw.

"Give me people you don't want Swords killing toDay" is a different question than "give me reasoning for your already stated town reads because your current reasoning is shallow."

I personally don't agree with the correlation the F0 is trying to draw between activity and Soup's scumpicks and don't think his reasoning has been that shallow. It's certainly not a strong argument to make against Soup, but F0 has clarified that he's not calling Soup scum for it but instead trying to figure out his reasoning. I find this alright because it was the same thing I was trying to do to Soup's beat read in the beginning of the Day.

The second has to do with Soup's scumpicks and thus doesn't relate to your questions at all.

 

[ForeverZero]

Nvm, thought your read in the above post was on vocal, not soup.

I know Town Beat. I've modded a game with him as town and was a scum partner with him, I've watched him learn how to play Mafia from inside his head.

Beat's been giving his thoughts on just about everything that comes up, and they aren't always useful. He wouldn't have done that as scum; he knows that leaves him wide open for questioning. It's one of scum's biggest blunders; comment on everything, say nothing. That's one of the bigger reasons I have a town read on Beat.

th3duder, what is the difference between these two quotes?

I have better formatting.

@f0
I'm not judging to the kinder of how much you post, its what you are posting, like I said.

The same goes for you, I feel the point is mundane, you're judging me on assumption that My reads are coming from activity, it's ignoring what I'm doing and twisting it to another point, the same goes with your latest post, you twist the point and slam it, and then, you say "eh well I still think you're town, but I'm just warning you."

Who's the shallow one here?

Anyways, forget the maybe and make it into to yes, sure, this is knee-jerk, but I don't care.

But I never said your reads were coming from activity. I said your reads happened to line up with activity and asked you to clarify them.

That said, the fact that we're looking for a fire and you smell like smoke doesn't mean you're the firestarter. It just means you need to explain a few more things than the others.

The answers to the questions please.

Remember, for "who to kill" you can't choose me or yourself. No easy outs.

 

[Marluxia_]

No but F0 is asking for his definitions to his "obvtown" list which you called me out on when I wasn't even asking that. Yet, when F0 asks for his obvtown list and the whys you say "Nope, it's good and cool with me."

****in hypocrisy at it's finest.

 

[Marluxia_]

SIFOM = th3duder.

I'll be back later.

 

[ForeverZero]

No but F0 is asking for his definitions to his "obvtown" list which you called me out on when I wasn't even asking that. Yet, when F0 asks for his obvtown list and the whys you say "Nope, it's good and cool with me."

****in hypocrisy at it's finest.

I'm asking for clarification on existing information. There's a huge difference.

 

[th3duder]

@f0: So meta.

@J: Explanations for already stated town reads is a completely different question than "give me your obvtown list."

Soup had already stated his reads back in the thread and F0 just wants reasoning for those reads to make sure they aren't shallow. You literally just wanted him to list his town reads. Stop being an idiot.

 

[th3duder]

Ninja, but yeah.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Explained my town reads, they're around somewhere.

I'd kill ms, tentatively, I have him as null leaning town but he looks like a wild card and someone I wouldn't want king.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Phone posts always suck for me, bah.

 

[th3duder]

Anyways, forget the maybe and make it into to yes, sure, this is knee-jerk, but I don't care.

I'd kill ms, tentatively, I have him as null leaning town but he looks like a wild card and someone I wouldn't want king.

Doubt Soup would say these as scum.

 

[ForeverZero]

Explained my town reads, they're around somewhere.

I'd kill ms, tentatively, I have him as null leaning town but he looks like a wild card and someone I wouldn't want king.

I asked for clarification. I'm sure they exist elsewhere, but I'm looking for how you'd word it now. Think of it as an opportunity to make your reads more clear.

I also asked for two kills, not one. I asked two because anyone can say they want to kill Meadow and be considered town, and you again have given a shallow answer.

So try again. Feel free to wait until you have a computer.

 

[Marluxia_]

You literally just wanted him to list his town reads.

I never asked for him to list his town reads. However, at this point, I'm gonna drop it because this conversation I feel is going to get nowhere but stupider/anti-town.

 

[Beat!]

@Marluxia
I don't have any scum reads other than Soup and Raz atm.

@duder
What's so non-scummy about those posts?

 

[-Vocal-]

Duder is also clear in my book. He was suspicious of Soup earlier in the day based on his out-of-character town list, but has slowly transitioned to thinking of him as town.

@Purple: If Soup were removed as an option, who would your scumpick(s) be right now?

 

[th3kuzinator]

Thanks for assuming a townSoup read for me?

@Beat: townSoup wouldn't have said "its definitely a knee-jerky accusation, but I don't care" and "I have a town read on ms but I wouldn't mind killing him." Its one of those things that I just couldn't imagine scum saying because they know they'd get heat from it. As f0 would say, it's too inefficient.

@Soup: I know I asked your read on Marl before the exchange, but could you give me an updated one if it changed at all?

 

[Marluxia_]

Vocal, who are you looking at now then?

 

[th3duder]

Thanks for assuming a townSoup read for me?

@Beat: townSoup wouldn't have said "its definitely a knee-jerky accusation, but I don't care" and "I have a town read on ms but I wouldn't mind killing him." Its one of those things that I just couldn't imagine scum saying because they know they'd get heat from it. As f0 would say, it's too inefficient.

@Soup: I know I asked your read on Marl before the exchange, but could you give me an updated one if it changed at all?

woopsi e

 

[-Vocal-]

Vocal, who are you looking at now then?

Who am I interested in currently? Alright, let's see.

MS I am fine with for now.

Duder I am fine with for now.

I don't think F0 and Beat are on a scumteam together; I can't see OS tying himself to an ally so strongly on day one. I'm also comfortable enough with F0's reads on Beat to let him be for the time being, but as for F0 themself I haven't decided yet. But, as I said earlier, I'm fine with them sticking around for now.

(Side note: still trying to find hydra pronouns I'm comfortable with.)

Raziek needs to post more for me to actually form an opinion on him.

You've been asking several questions and are probably just feeling people out for the time being, which results in not having much of a read now. Only other game I played with you was when you assassinated day one as scum, so it doesn't leave me much to go off of there either.

Chaco needs to post more for me to form an opinion.

Swords has played fine up to this point. Not the most active person, but I'm comfortable with what he has posted.

Soup is fine with me for now as well.

So out of those that have actually sort of been a part of the game for now, I'm interested in Purple and Chibo, but that's not even including all of the inactives.

 

[Purple]

I got nothing on vocal, nothing sticks out for me. I like Zen. My scum pick would be ms, but I'm bias to obnoxious playstyles

 

[Marluxia_]

Wow I got a lot more then I was looking for with ya Vocal, thanks.

Roxy, where does your Zen like stem from?

 

[Purple]

To be honest, gut. I've played with Zen often and his current way of play leans town to me

 

[Chaco]

I'm on page 9.

So far the Meadowsizze and Duder argument is making me want to punch myself. Sizzle is just a dumb****, and I'm okay with Duder. Although all those walls were absolutely not needed. I figured concision could be of use.

I don't like Purple. To "I'm here and active guys!" for my tastes, and just seems to try and comment on absolutely every little thing to get his nose out there. But not deep. Just enough to scathe it.

Vocal is highly expendable, not sure of alignment. Sucking Ryker's nuts too much.

I'm actually okay with Raz, I think he might be good to have around. I'll see.

Zen is nothing.
Forever is nothing.

I actually think Soup is town now. I found myself agreeing with Soup for one post. That there is enough to make me think he is actually putting forth an effort, and it seems legitimately town to me,

Uhm, who else is in this game...

Sword, not much to say really. Nor putting much thought to you really since killing you isnt even an option currently.

Chibo is null to me, and just seems Chibo-ish...

Beat not sure yet.

And Marluxia im gonna have to read more of and more closely.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Chibo is null to me, and just seems Chibo-ish...

Explain this. When you say Chibo is Chibo-ish you're implying meta. However, Chibo has been very inactive, and I can't not possibly see how anyone could be applying meta to someone right now.

@Duder: His reads line up with mine. Also, often times I'll find myself reading through to thread, see something, think about it and then come up with an opinion of it, and then continue reading on in the thread, where I would then find said opinion formed earlier already posted by Soup. That kind of stuff really helps.

@Whoever asked (I'm pretty sure someone did): If I had to shoot someone right now I would probably shoot Chibo.

@FZ: You focused (and still are I presume) on Soup, but haven't put him down as a scum pick. Actually, you really haven't put anyone down as a scum pick. So, any scumpicks?

@Several people: Marluxia, talk about FZ and chibo. Purple, talk about Beat and Raz. FZ, talk about Marluxia and chibo.

 

[ForeverZero]

@FZ: You focused (and still are I presume) on Soup, but haven't put him down as a scum pick. Actually, you really haven't put anyone down as a scum pick. So, any scumpicks?

None, as of yet. There's not enough activity to even have a legitimate scum read at the moment, so I'm working on that one.

Still waiting on my questions being answered by meadow.

1) If you had King now, would you kill theduder or myself?

2) Looking at the player list, the two strongest players seem to be myself and Frozen's hydra and Tom'Kuz's hydra. Why are we both your only choices for attention?

And soup to actually answer the questions I asked.

Chibo is null atm; he can't be much else. Maybe slightly leaning scummy for those who don't know Chibo, but he seems to be playing like normal Chibo. His one "big post" is here:

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13017389&postcount=208

It was my initial reaction when I say day start without someone dead since I thought there would be someone and was wondering if it would be me or not.

This is incredibly scummy or incredibly stupid. You'll note this is a theme with Chibo.

I don't see how that is flavor, saying thedud3r would be a good king then just later saying o lol i was just saying hi to kuz with flavor.

Say hi to him on aim or via vm <_<



Why are you so worried about it?

Really not a good mindset imo

^^^
Not liking Soupa too much because of this whole back and forth

Critique of Soup, but very shallow. No followthrough. No bite.

@duder Can you give an example of a game where voting screwed over town, and it wasn't required?

Legitimate for someone who has never played any of those mafia games before. Null.

I don't even know what OOC means... except for out of country

Null

And you were so quick to be bent out of shape over the comment about flavor. And you're worried about Raziek instead? lol

Offhand comment to Soup, no followup. If Soup flips scum, Chibo should be a target.

This is like your first real comment on the game so far, and that's it? No discussion on Soup or Raz?

Critique on Zen, notable because Chibo himself hasn't done half the things he thinks Zen should be doing and what he has done has hardly been deep enough to matter.

How is this beneficial?

Question about whether the kingmaker should claim. Reasonable question.

Then why didn't you suggest it?

A pointed question at Duder, but not exactly a fair one. Duder says "it's not hard to figure out the pro town reason to claim kingmaker" and this is Chibo's reply. But that could be said for anyone saying "I agree". So, slightly scummy or dummy here.

Who are you, you aren't in the OP list of players.

Null null null

And if you're a hydra plz change your location

More null, he's posted this like 4 times.

This is no different than voting on who to kill really. It still introduces the chance of the 3 scum steering us in the wrong direction.

A (incorrect, in my opinion) comment on Beat's suggestion of having everyone vote for who they want to be king. While this is an okay idea for some reasons and a horrible idea for others, the whole "chances of 3 scum steering us in the wrong direction" isn't very important as far as arguments against it though.

But Zen is in the game?
But then you reference him wtf is up with everything

Shallow confusion.

Such complication, this is one of the reasons I don't like hydras.

When do people even have regular conversations with themselves lol

Stupid.... but null.

You really gonna do this?

In regards to Meadow's ridiculous "I'm not going to answer questions" statement. Null.



If you hadn't noticed, that entire post was a waste of time to read. We get some hints as to a pairing with Soup and Chibo due to Chibo's weak pushes, and the timing is right for distancing, but Soup is leaning town so it's a "this or that" scenario. If Chibo flipped scum it wouldn't incriminate Soup I don't think, but vice versa is a strong possibility.

Chibo's claimed to be all read up now, so we should hear from him soon. If we don't, then he'd be an easy enough choice.

That said, Purple is in the same boat as Chibo. Probably some others too, but Chibo and Purple stick out the most for me.

I have more people in the "null" category at the moment, with Beat and Duder being the only two townies I trust at the moment.

Another question for Meadow

Do you think Sworddancer is scummy?

I'm interested in Meadow's responses to my questions.