The Founding of D Gamesia - Game over? Who scum wins reigned supreme in DGames?

[Marluxia_]

@Players in general: If you could adresse us by Marluxia it'd make our lives a whole lot easier and we wouldn't keep missing things. Plus Moth is in this hydra too playing. Thanks.

Sword and Duder are correct. Did you even think before posting this. How is KM claiming anti-town? And again what was the point of 188? You stated it was time time to get things going, but then did nothing. You didn't even say why you voted me.

I've yet to talk to Moth as to why he did this but this side pretty much agrees with Ryker on the Kingmaker not claiming. 188 was our vote on you, idk why Moth didn't do anything with it, nor do I don't get why he didn't explain himself.

Regardless, I think you are quibbling over a minute point. Did the vote look serious? Not really, yet you keep bringing it up like it is.

Oh Purple is Roxy? Didn't even know, I've now played with three people in this game before

Thoughts on Purple: he has a great signature, psychedelic sheep are win. On topic: can't tell if he's serious about thinking that Soup is scum yet, but it'll be interesting to see how that develops. I agree with his sentiment that Sizzle is trying to control people (I've just sort of assumed that's his playstyle). Overall he's still null to me.

I would be fine seeing Swords as king again. He seems like the sort of person that will listen to all input and make a logical decision based on that combined with his own reads; I'd be more worried about a renegade like MS being crowned.

Can you explain the bolded in more detail? What do you think of Roxy now that he has stated he is positive on SoupaScum?

If Soup is suspicious for FoSing Chibo for what you call reasoning that wasn't sufficient, what do you think of Vocal who FoS'd you for not formatting Zen's name correctly? Also, how could you see townChibo saying that more than scumChibo?

Let's look at the two.

[collapse=Vocal/Soupa]

Finger of Quarantine: Chibo

Voting for someone not in the game?

FoS @ Marluxia_

Zεη, your thoughts?

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Both quite different, Vocal's is more of an obv joke whereas Soupa seemed more serious about Chibo's post which is here.

Chibo's post also shows like he was legitamately expecting someone to die. Either he is the dumbest scum ever or he was actually curious. Also wouldn't the mafia know they could NK N0 or not just by either talking in a QT or knowing via their role pm? I just don't see how that post could be taken as a scum-tell.

Tell me, do you see the opposite of what I see?

I'm also curious as to your reasoning for Soup being obvtown.

Can you explain your Soupa suspicion? Besides,

That's not what bothers me about him, it's that he has no trouble throwing out random town reads but then doesn't explain his reasoning for it unless you pretty much force it out of him.

When Soup townhunts (yes, soup does townhunt) he's usually pretty proactive and vocal about his read and reasoning. He just doesn't say "I like X, discuss" which does bother me.

A reason that involves flimsy meta. Also why do you say that Soupa town hunts like a bad thing? Everyone scum-hunts and town-hunts.

At the moment I agree with Swords on Soupa being my strongest town read and in fact I think he'd make a good king as well since he's matching my train of thought.

 

[Marluxia_]

I still think Raz could be scum, and I agree with Roxy about Soup throwing out town reads to left and right. He's probably scum as well.

@Marluxia Soup scum, Roxy null. Mb scum if soup town. I don't think they're scum together.

Could you explain your Raz read more? Also I'm curious as to how MS/Soupa =/= Scum buddies.

Sword, if you had to kill someone this instant, who would it be, and why?

He already answered that...

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@Zen: So we meet again eh? It's been a while. You know exactly what this means.

 

[Marluxia_]

Beat/Vocal, your opinion on Zenny. Thanks.

 

[Beat!]

I think Raz just took an opportunity to post a lot of fluff in a situation where it wasn't necessary, just to make it look like he was contributing. His stance on Soup's posting style was also very non-committing. It's not a very strong read, admittedly, but I'd like to think that it holds at least a little merit.

I never said MS and soup couldn't be scum buddies O_o.

Null leaning town on Zen. I like what I've seen so far.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@f0 if someone isn't here, I can't get a read on them, simple as that.

I'm reading him as newtown, so the objective shouldn't be that sidelining is bad, I tended to sideline my first game.

 

[Xivii]

@Marluxia

401: I've asked you twice because you've ignored me twice. The post was completely out of place, and you've yet adequately answer my question.

402: I have no idea what that means, you should explain it to me.

 

[Marluxia_]

However it's been proven that th3duder's point on him fluff posting was reaching.

What is there to like from some like Zen thus far?

Mb scum if soup town. I don't think they're scum together.

What did you mean by this then Beat?

 

[Marluxia_]

EBWOP: To the first line for Beat, So is that your reasoning still for RaziekScum?

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Don't play dumb with me Zenny.

 

[Marluxia_]

Is ignoring things a scum-tell? If so, what about Beat's ignorance at the current time? To be fair, that was an honest hydra john, but I answered it once my attention was brought to it.

 

[Xivii]

I don't recall ever saying you were scum.

 

[Purple]

Soup, with your town reads and including yourself there aren't many town left, scum picks please

 

[Marluxia_]

I don't recall ever saying you were scum.

I never uttered such words. The question still stands, is it a scum-tell to ignore things? You've also yet to give scum-picks so who Zen do you find as scum? Is it Chibo/Marluxia whom you find "suspicious"?

 

[Beat!]

@Marluxia

What did you mean by this then Beat?

That was my read on Roxy...

 

[Marluxia_]

Alright well thanks for explaining that then. I got confused because of the order it was listed.

Regardless, I would still like your RazScum reasoning and why you like Zen as in "what has he done"?

Roxy, tell me of the vibes you get from 404 and your Zen/Vocal reads. Thanks.

 

[CT Chia]

Will be caught up tonight, Genesis occupied me far more than I imagined. About to go out to an interview, when I come back I gotta catch up on some things then I'll be all in here.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

@purple

There's a plethora of inactives, I think Chibo is dumbtown, beat looks okay still, but f0 is a case of curiosity.

I don't like his point with me only having actives as town, because that's not the full story, it depends what you are posting, activity doesn't sell me in full. but of course it is harder to get reads on inactives.

 

[th3duder]

@Soup: Read on Marluxia.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Lemme rephrase that, it's harder in the sense of what the inactives are posting, for example chibo, its just a lot of obvious posts and whole lot of nothing, however, as marluxia said, why would scum ask why there wasn't a kill nO?

 

[Beat!]

Alright well thanks for explaining that then. I got confused because of the order it was listed.

Regardless, I would still like your RazScum reasoning and why you like Zen as in "what has he done"?

Thanks.

I think Raz just took an opportunity to post a lot of fluff in a situation where it wasn't necessary, just to make it look like he was contributing. His stance on Soup's posting style was also very non-committing. It's not a very strong read, admittedly, but I'd like to think that it holds at least a little merit.

As for Zen, the few posts he's made has been logical and explanatory (imo), and I agree with a lot of it. That's not necessarily a town tell, but there's not much to base a read on, and I at least don't feel any scum vibes.

 

[-Vocal-]

Wait. Didn't you just have a town read on MS? When did your read change to him being scum trying to strongarm my lynch?

That was a typo; my read's still where it's at, which is town enough for ToDay.

Vocal is posting, but is staying on the sideline the entire time, and you consider that not to be an issue and then say he's town?

On another note, I also find it difficult to form a strong read when the majority of town has been more or less absent for most of the game, which is why I only have tentative thoughts to throw out for the time being.

Can you explain the bolded in more detail?

Do you mean MS in particular or a renegade in general? I can answer both, I suppose. So far MS has been attempting to rule the game with an iron fist. I just write this off right now as he has no actual power, but if he had the ability to pull a trigger I'd be more concerned.

For the second, I don't like the idea of someone who's own reads would strongly override town's without good enough reasoning.

What do you think of Roxy now that he has stated he is positive on SoupaScum?

I don't really agree, I'd call Soup null or slight slight town, but that could be because I'm not familiar with his meta. Duder was also caught off-guard by Soup's town list, so perhaps I'd feel differently if I had played with him before.

 

[-Vocal-]

Activity happened while I was making that response. Activity will have to wait until after my shower.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Ninja, null, I really don't like the cross attack on zen, especially getting highly defensive over one vote, just seems like a gun jump, otherwise, I'm fine with him, I want to see how the zen thing turns out, then i'll go into more detail.

 

[Marluxia_]

Whoever said I was attacking Zen because he attacked me? (which he really hasn't at all)

@Beat: I guess you answered my question that your reasoning on RazScum is still the same....even though it's a reaching point? It's also a lot like what th3duder posted w.r.t. him. Also most of his talk has been about mechanics surrounding the KM and that's it.

@Vocal: Thank you for explaining that w.r.t to MS. Now what do you think of Beat's reasoning for RazScum?

 

[Marluxia_]

Soupa, you never really answered Roxy's question. So who are your scum-picks? You just talked about inactives.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

f0 is one, or could be one.

Rest I'm sticking to.

 

[Marluxia_]

I'm still staring at 425 looking for an answer but I doubt I'll get one.

Soupa, who don't you wanna see Swords lynch? Then tell me the person you are having the hardest time reading atm. Followed by, who you'd personally like to see as the next King?

 

[th3duder]

Feel free not to answer either of those questions, Soup.

 

[Marluxia_]

Feel free not to answer either of those questions, Soup.

And why shouldn't he duder?

 

[Marluxia_]

EBWOP: I'd also like for you to answer my 401.

 

[th3duder]

What could you hope to gain from knowing Soup's obvtown list, the players he can't read very well, and a question that should always be answered with "me"?

And if not answered with me, then just another player on Soup's obvtown list. As a town player, why would you want to know these things?

 

[Marluxia_]

I wasn't asking for his obvtown list. I asked for his strongest town read since that's all he's giving. The player he can't read very well will help determine his nulls and hopefully with some reasoning as to why since he isn't givind scum-pciks. Also not everyone will always answer "me" so moot point.

*seen new livetopic update*

Because it is helping me gain a better read on Soupa and his thoughts since I am a bit scrambled to recall most of them all. Also a person you want as king doesn't have to be obvtown as well, you could very well have a scum-pick become King and see what they do under the pressure of being King. That's an interesting route I'd like to see taken.

What do you gain from telling him not to answer?

 

[th3duder]

Both quite different, Vocal's is more of an obv joke whereas Soupa seemed more serious about Chibo's post which is here.

Chibo's post also shows like he was legitamately expecting someone to die. Either he is the dumbest scum ever or he was actually curious. Also wouldn't the mafia know they could NK N0 or not just by either talking in a QT or knowing via their role pm? I just don't see how that post could be taken as a scum-tell.

Tell me, do you see the opposite of what I see?

Did you really get the sense that Chibo legitimately expected someone to die? All I see is an innocent question that could be posed from any frame of reference with little to no consequences. It could be townChibo literally not knowing or it could be scumChibo faking ignorance to appear to not know and thus get town points. Same situation that I pulled in ducktales. It's a null-tell and shouldn't be treated in any other fashion as such. Regardless of which it is, you taking it is a slight town tell is dumb.

Raziek is null/not here anymore. Can you explain why he is still one of your candidates for the lynch?

Because for all the **** MS has given me for that exchange, I still think it was scummy and I don't like that he completely disappeared once I transitioned my suspicions to Soup.

A reason that involves flimsy meta. Also why do you say that Soupa town hunts like a bad thing? Everyone scum-hunts and town-hunts.

At the moment I agree with Swords on Soupa being my strongest town read and in fact I think he'd make a good king as well since he's matching my train of thought.

That's my reasoning for having him at null. Do I care about your views on my read and about meta? Not really. When did I imply him town hunting was a bad thing? Also, not everyone town hunts. I hunt scum and get town reads along the way. I don't go out of my way to read up on someone to make sure they're town.

 

[th3duder]

What do you gain from telling him not to answer?

I stop him from giving you information that you don't need to have.

 

[Marluxia_]

I stop him from giving you information that you don't need to have.

Da hell?

Did you really get the sense that Chibo legitimately expected someone to die? All I see is an innocent question that could be posed from any frame of reference with little to no consequences. It could be townChibo literally not knowing or it could be scumChibo faking ignorance to appear to not know and thus get town points. Same situation that I pulled in ducktales. It's a null-tell and shouldn't be treated in any other fashion as such. Regardless of which it is, you taking it is a slight town tell is dumb.

Then what about Soupa taking it as a scum-tell at the time (referring to bolded)? What you pulled in DuckTales was far different and way more underhanded but that's besides the point. Yes, I did get the sense.

Because for all the **** MS has given me for that exchange, I still think it was scummy and I don't like that he completely disappeared once I transitioned my suspicions to Soup.

Isn't he at Genesis?

That's my reasoning for having him at null. Do I care about your views on my read and about meta? Not really. When did I imply him town hunting was a bad thing? Also, not everyone town hunts. I hunt scum and get town reads along the way. I don't go out of my way to read up on someone to make sure they're town.

Meta is a weak reason in general because of how flippant it is. Like that's just a standard point. The way you said in paranthesis "(yes he does scum-hunt)" like you were saying it twice to make sure it's known he does and that people should be shocked a bit by it. Wasn't Tom even saying he town-hunts? Also I'm gonna quote you here

th3kuzinator: bother me that I dont have a lot of town reads yet
th3kuzinator: im usually able to pick up on stuff like that quickl
th3kuzinator: y
th3kuzinator: but theres a lot of scum in this game

So BS on you not town-hunting.

 

[Marluxia_]

EBWOP: Dammit to hell. In the paranthesis it should read "(yes he does town-hunt.)"

Lemme just re-quote it here:

When Soup townhunts (yes, soup does townhunt) he's usually pretty proactive and vocal about his read and reasoning. He just doesn't say "I like X, discuss" which does bother me.

There was no reason to say it twice besides to make it known as a sort of bad thing that he does that.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Finger of quarantine basically is me saying "I'm going to ignore you, i advise everybody do the same."

 

[Marluxia_]

Oh....I thought you were using your fancy speak to mean that he was suspicious....like FoS....

 

[Marluxia_]

Soupa, what's your opinion on th3duder telling ya what to do/what not to do? Do you wanna answer those questions or would you rather not?

 

[th3duder]

Then what about Soupa taking it as a scum-tell at the time (referring to bolded)? What you pulled in DuckTales was far different and way more underhanded but that's besides the point. Yes, I did get the sense.

When did I say Soup's FoS was a legitimate accusation?

Isn't he at Genesis?

No. Or at least he's been in the skype call at Night so I don't think so.

Meta is a weak reason in general because of how flippant it is. Like that's just a standard point. The way you said in paranthesis "(yes he does scum-hunt)" like you were saying it twice to make sure it's known he does and that people should be shocked a bit by it. Wasn't Tom even saying he town-hunts? Also I'm gonna quote you here

And I care because? I'll use meta to form my own opinions whenever I want, thanks. I don't know if Tom town hunts, I havn't asked him.

So BS on you not town-hunting.

Derp. I said I pick up town reads as I scum hunt. All I said in that quote is that I had not picked up on any of them yet. That has zero to do with town hunting.

 

[th3duder]

I didn't tell Soup what to do in any sense to the word. I told him that he should feel free not to answer those questions, because they're dumb questions and you gain nothing of value from the answers. If he wants to answer him, that's his prerogative.