The Forest Master Rises! Sceptile for Smash Bros! Over 100 supporters!!!

[SorrowOfAcheron]

.....That was my point.
That it shouldn't have been surprising that Lucario was added due to the movie premiering not too long after the roster finalization.

Oh, thought you meant he was added without knowing about the movie; my bad.

 

[Burigu]

People still think they can see patterns, that things are logical with Smash, they should learn by now that Smash has no patterns, so the holy starter trinity as much sense or logical or fair as you might thing means really nothing, I am not against Sceptile inclusion but to think he is likely because of the remake or to finish the starter trinity is being very naive.

I just recomend to keep your expectations realistic and low that way if Sceptile isn't in the game you will not be crushed that hard, and them blame Sakurai for not going the "logical" way. If he ends up being included then your surprise and joy would be higher, it's ok to dream but try not to find patterns that PROBABLY aren't even there.

Charizard is a starter Fire/Flying
Greninja is a starter Water/ Dark
Sceptile is a starter Grass/.......... Oh no the pattern is broken let's fix this
Torterra is a starter Grass/ Ground : Torterra confirmed!!

Just kidding people

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

So I've been thinking. I hate it when that happens.

If in the ridiculously unlikely to impossible situation that not only does Sceptile and Blaziken get confirmed, BUT Squirtle and Ivysaur return, there would be two characters each representing a type. The only imbalance there would be is a little oversaturation of G3. and evolutionary imbalance.

Of course, there's absolutely no way that would happen, its just a fun thought.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I think the only real argument I've heard against Sceptile is that Greninja was given water blades.

By real argument, I mean argument disproving the possiblity of Sceptile. There can be as much argument as desired, obviously by having two starters of two types, there is at least a perceived missing link, it does mean something. Will that affect the game? No. Yet, what are always revealed for Pokemon to build hype? Starters and Legendaries.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

If Sceptile somehow gets in, I will start to doubt Jigglypuff, but there's no way that this affects Mewtwo's chances in any way.

I'm still in the boat that it's more likely that the already cut character is staying out over cutting a 3 times veteran. Sure, Mewtwo has a big shot and all, but he's still not infallible as obviously shown in Brawl, and was outprioritized by Jiggs once already.

If Sceptile is in, I'll begin doubting Mewtwo, which I personally won't care much about since I much prefer Sceptile.

 

[False Sense]

I think the only real argument I've heard against Sceptile is that Greninja was given water blades.

By real argument, I mean argument disproving the possiblity of Sceptile. There can be as much argument as desired, obviously by having two starters of two types, there is at least a perceived missing link, it does mean something. Will that affect the game? No. Yet, what are always revealed for Pokemon to build hype? Starters and Legendaries.

Emphasis on that last part.

Also, what about the argument that it's very likely that these remakes will have little to no impact on Smash due to their release date? Especially considering games like Super Mario 3D World and Tropical Freeze seem to be getting no content or references in this game so far. Going by that, it seems incredibly unlikely that a game as late as the remakes would have any impact on Smash, while other big name games that came out (and were known about) much earlier don't.

 

[Superyoshiom]

Gamefaqs is going crazy over Sceptile hype. I'm in the minority who finds Sceptile to be my favorite starter from gen 3, even over Blaziken,. However, I'd rather he get in as soon as vets like Mewtwo and Jiggs return, but that'd be a bit of overrepresentation at that point.

 

[Cap'nChreest]

YES SCEPTILE PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

 

[MewtwoX825]

Sceptile or Mewtwo seem like post game DLC material and eventhough Sakurai said it wasnt a top priority to have DLC right now, Nintendo still has a say to if they want it in this game or not.

Also, saying Secptile's playstyle would be too similar to Greninja is like saying Mewtwo's moveset is identical to Lucario's, which could be a good or bad thing depending on how you see it.

 

[Frontiers]

I want a 5th and 3rd gen rep and I wouldn't mind a big pokemon dlc pack with pichu, the other cuts and maybe a new pokemon

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Its time for a Sceptile moveset! Will work in damage %s later
A: Sceptile does a fist pump, hurting opponents with his leaf blades.
AA: Sceptile punches forwards, doing slight knockback upward
F Tilt: Sceptile does a karate chop like attack forward, knocking opponents forward
U Tilt: Sceptile whacks an opponent with his tail
D Tilt: Sceptile does a slice with a leaf blade from his arm, semispikes at furthest point.
Dash Attack: Sceptile does an X like motion with his hands, cutting opponents
F Smash: Sceptile does a C Falcon like F Smash, where his leaf blades extend, quite quick
U Smash: Sceptile does a quick leaf blade smash, ala Wolf's U Smash in PM
D Smash: Sceptile whacks his tail around in a circular motion
Grab: Sceptile extends two vines from his palms, unusually quick for a ranged grab, and drags an opponent to his hands
Pummel: Sceptile headbutts its
F Throw: Sceptile Chucks his opponent forward, good for combos
Back Throw: Sceptile throws his opponent and shoots a bullet seed round at them ala Fox's Back Throw, strongest throw via knockback
U Throw: Sceptile chucks his opponent upwards, good comboer, not great kill move
D Throw: Sceptile throws his opponent into a bed of thorns he produces, great for combos
Nair: Sceptile does a sex kick with a thorn on his foot, does greater knockback at foot heel
Fair: Sceptile does an elbow swipe, Sceptiles Strongest aerial
Uair: Sceptile does an elbo swipe upwards, best aerial for combos
Bair: Sceptile hits back with his tail, good for spacing
Dair:Sceptile Swings his tail downwards, spikes opponents

B: Bullet Seed ; Bullet Seed is a Move that Fox Mains would easily adjust to. It is a quick projectile that does not flinch opponents, but is rather weak and quick. Is mainly to emphasize the need for opponents to get closer and respond to Sceptile's projectile pressure
Side B: Razor Leaf; Sceptile throws out a razor leaf, moves at the speed of Wolf's blaster shot, more projectile pressure
Up B: Leaf Blade/Tornado; A few leaves surround Sceptile as he goes into a Quick recovery you can control, as Sceptile rushes in the direction you choose. However, at any point, it can be cancelled for a powerful slash
Down B: Seed Bomb; The Final Tool in Sceptile's spacing game, Sceptile summons a seed bomb and quickly chucks it. He can either roll it onto the ground(will roll off stage), chuck it right above him, toss it lightly, or smash toss it. In the air, it can be thrown downwards. Opponents can catch seed bombs though with proper timing.
Final Smash: Frenzy Plant; Sceptile jumps in the air, as thorny vines flail all over the stage, occasionally leaves blow across. Hard to KO opponents with, but great for doing loads of damage.

Size: Sceptile is about the height of Marth
Weight: Sceptile weighs a little more then Lucario
Speed: Sceptile is slightly slower than Marth, Falls fast
Power: Sceptile only has a few KO moves that works around 110%, so he focuses on comboing opponents and forcing pressure

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

I'm still in the boat that it's more likely that the already cut character is staying out over cutting a 3 times veteran. Sure, Mewtwo has a big shot and all, but he's still not infallible as obviously shown in Brawl, and was outprioritized by Jiggs once already.

If Sceptile is in, I'll begin doubting Mewtwo, which I personally won't care much about since I much prefer Sceptile.

Well I guess it doesn't matter anyway, because Sceptile's not getting in and neither Mewtwo nor Jigglypuff will get cut.

 

[ErenJager]

Support, but believe Mewtwo deserves priority.
Would find a Jiggs cut acceptable.
must know leech seed, razor leaf and bullet seed.
top it off with a solar beam mechanic or something.
oh and a vinewhip grab or throw.

 

[Reality_Ciak]

Jigglypuff not making in back in isn't a cut, it's a retirement. Lol

 

[Frontiers]

I'm f

Jigglypuff not making in back in isn't a cut, it's a retirement. Lol

im fine with that

 

[egaddmario]

I'm f

im fine with that

^ This. Jiggs has been here too long anyways. Gotta make room for the better pokes

 

[pupNapoleon]

You don't have to be rude, also these's a forum to talk about our own opinion and what we think about SSB4, just because you don't agree doesn't mean that the idea is absurd.



Nope, you're not the only one who thinks that, but is good to have some hopes

My apologies. I was truly not trying to be rude. the posts were getting to that nonsensical argument point, and I read your posts specifically many times over, with absolutely no idea of what you were saying other than a showcase of creativity.

 

[Maxilian]

My apologies. I was truly not trying to be rude. the posts were getting to that nonsensical argument point, and I read your posts specifically many times over, with absolutely no idea of what you were saying other than a showcase of creativity.

That's a really nice way to insult someone without them feeling insulted (no really, that's a really nice way to say it), and i can't say anything against you cause i don't even remenber what i was talking about

Edit: Oh... wait are you talking about the pikachu post? , cause if it was that... then yeah, it didn't mean much, it was just a stupid but funny way to say that the idea of a initial evolution is what is needed doesn't apply

 

[pupNapoleon]

That's a really nice way to insult someone without them feeling insulted (no really, that's a really nice way to say it), and i can't say anything against you cause i don't even remenber what i was talking about

Edit: Oh... wait are you talking about the pikachu post? , cause if it was that... then yeah, it didn't mean much, it was just a stupid but funny way to say that the idea of a initial evolution is what is needed doesn't apply

if you still take my words as an insult at this point, that's on you. I'm just here to support Sceptile

 

[Maxilian]

if you still take my words as an insult at this point, that's on you. I'm just here to support Sceptile

I don't really know what else could that be but OK , you could simple correct me and clean the mess that we have or you can just leave it like that, that's up to you (i can't force anyone to talk... sadly )

 

[Sonic Poke]

Guys, do you think that Sceptile (or Swampert) are going to get two mega evos instead if one? I'm pretty sure that it's not going to occur with Blaziken since we already have his mega stone.

 

[SorrowOfAcheron]

Guys, do you think that Sceptile (or Swampert) are going to get two mega evos instead if one? I'm pretty sure that it's not going to occur with Blaziken since we already have his mega stone.

Pretty sure both will get one Mega.
And of course, there's always the possibility of Blaziken getting another one in the remakes.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Pretty sure both will get one Mega.
And of course, there's always the possibility of Blaziken getting another one in the remakes.

I think that Blaziken can not get another one since his mega stone does not have a X or Y sufix. But Sceptile realy have potential to get one without type changes, and another with type change (Grass/ Dragon, please), as Charizard did.

 

[Maxilian]

Guys, do you think that Sceptile (or Swampert) are going to get two mega evos instead if one? I'm pretty sure that it's not going to occur with Blaziken since we already have his mega stone.

I don't think they will get 2, they will possibility only get one and Blaziken will stay as he is

 

[Banjodorf]

There's always the possibility that Blaziken gets another, and they patch X&Y to support the change.

Putting a suffix on it would've been a bit of a giveaway, haha.

Sceptile and Swampert will absolutely receive one though.

 

[Maxilian]

There's always the possibility that Blaziken gets another, and they patch X&Y to support the change.

Putting a suffix on it would've been a bit of a giveaway, haha.

Sceptile and Swampert will absolutely receive one though.

I don't think they will leave Blaziken with 2 mega evolutions and the other 2 starters with only 1, why? cause they're the starters of these game, they have to make them "equally" awesome, is true that Blaziken right now have a mega evolution and the other 2 doesn't, but that wasn't their game, but now... these's going to be their game, so it won't make much sense to give Blaziken 2 mega evolutions and the other 2 only one, unless you add one more mega evolution to Blaziken and give 2 mega evolutions to Sceptile and Swamper.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I don't think they will leave Blaziken with 2 mega evolutions and the other 2 starters with only 1, why? cause they're the starters of these game, they have to make them "equally" awesome, is true that Blaziken right now have a mega evolution and the other 2 doesn't, but that wasn't their game, but now... these's going to be their game, so it won't make much sense to give Blaziken 2 mega evolutions and the other 2 only one, unless you add one more mega evolution to Blaziken and give 2 mega evolutions to Sceptile and Swamper.

*insert angry pictures of Blastoise and Venusaur, especially the latter who looks ridiculous in mega*

 

[Maxilian]

*insert angry pictures of Blastoise and Venusaur, especially the latter who looks ridiculous in mega*

Well at least they got something , but in the case of Charizard, Vinasour and Blastoise, when they got their Mega evolution, it wasn't their game, they weren't the "main" pokemons (is just a way to say it), Charizard and the otherst were the "main" in Pokemon red, yellow, green or blue

 

[pupNapoleon]

Well at least they got something , but in the case of Charizard, Vinasour and Blastoise, when they got their Mega evolution, it wasn't their game, they weren't the "main" pokemons (is just a way to say it), Charizard and the otherst were the "main" in Pokemon red, yellow, green or blue

Fair, but one got two and the others didnt. And they were starters available in said game, featured in an animated special out at the same time.

 

[Overtaken]

Emphasis on that last part.

Also, what about the argument that it's very likely that these remakes will have little to no impact on Smash due to their release date? Especially considering games like Super Mario 3D World and Tropical Freeze seem to be getting no content or references in this game so far. Going by that, it seems incredibly unlikely that a game as late as the remakes would have any impact on Smash, while other big name games that came out (and were known about) much earlier don't.

But then again, Roy. So I think it comes down to Sakurai's prerojative. He may be able to, or maybe just not think a certain games needs to be represented in Smash at that particular time, but the point is that it's not impossible by this notion that or/as could have an impact on the roster

 

[Deleted member]

As I've said in the main thread, unless Sceptile is going to be a last-minute clone, Roy CANNOT be used as a valid case.

 

[False Sense]

But then again, Roy. So I think it comes down to Sakurai's prerojative. He may be able to, or maybe just not think a certain games needs to be represented in Smash at that particular time, but the point is that it's not impossible by this notion that or/as could have an impact on the roster

This isn't Melee, though. Sceptile is more than likely not going to be a clone if he gets in, and as @GoldenYuiitusin said, that's probably the only way he'd get in this late in development. By looking at the content of this particular installment, we have a fairly good idea of what kind of time frame this game pulls content from. Going by that, the remakes fall outside of that time frame.

 

[Overtaken]

People still think they can see patterns, that things are logical with Smash, they should learn by now that Smash has no patterns, so the holy starter trinity as much sense or logical or fair as you might thing means really nothing, I am not against Sceptile inclusion but to think he is likely because of the remake or to finish the starter trinity is being very naive.

I just recomend to keep your expectations realistic and low that way if Sceptile isn't in the game you will not be crushed that hard, and them blame Sakurai for not going the "logical" way. If he ends up being included then your surprise and joy would be higher, it's ok to dream but try not to find patterns that PROBABLY aren't even there.

Charizard is a starter Fire/Flying
Greninja is a starter Water/ Dark
Sceptile is a starter Grass/.......... Oh no the pattern is broken let's fix this
Torterra is a starter Grass/ Ground : Torterra confirmed!!

Just kidding people

First of all, there are no patterns? No patterns whatsoever? Sakurai just throws darts at a board to craft the roster?

I don't understand why you are so insistent that we're being naive. Are you under the impression that I, or any of the other Sceptile supporters, are arguing that there isn't a possibility Sceptile doesn't make it? As if it's a garuntee? If anything, you seem to be arguing that there no possibility what-so-ever that a starter that fits well into the roster from the newest main-series pokemon entry could make it, or at least that it's not even solidly within the possibilty. That seems a little naive to me.

As I've said in the main thread, unless Sceptile is going to be a last-minute clone, Roy CANNOT be used as a valid case.

This isn't Melee, though. Sceptile is more than likely not going to be a clone if he gets in, and as @GoldenYuiitusin said, that's probably the only way he'd get in this late in development. By looking at the content of this particular installment, we have a fairly good idea of what kind of time frame this game pulls content from. Going by that, the remakes fall outside of that time frame.

I would actually completely agree with you if we were talking about literally anything besides a pokemon remake. To make a long-winded argument concise and to the point: I'd bet you money that or/as was both planned and develloped alongside x/y. As such, or/as has probably been finished or essentially finished for months, and being announced just the other day probably had little to do with it just being completed, and everything to do with deliberately putting time between its release and x/y's release to promote sales.

Also, unlike Roy, Sceptile isn't a new character. They've had pretty much everything they could need for over 10 years, except for a finalized mega-evolution design, in order to start making Sceptile into a smash character. Basically, all Sakurai amd Nintendo would have needed was confidence that or/as could be announced before the release of Smash 4, and let's face it, that's easy given what it is.

 

[Curious Villager]

You know, if all they needed was a mega Sceptile, then they can pretty much design Sceptile from the get go and include the Mega evolution as soon as it's design has been finalized. If the mega evolution of Lucario is anything to go by (and most likely Mega Charizard's), they seem to be more or less glorified clones anyway (like Wario-Man and Giga Bowser) and that should be pretty easy to develop once they have fully finalized Mega Sceptile's design.

But oh well, I don't know too much about the circumstances at hand and how long it takes to design a clone. But if GameFreak already had told Sakurai about their plans beforehand then I wouldn't really say that the possibility is at all out there.

Guess we will have to wait and see..... *Shrug* :/

Also Overtaken, try not to triple post please.

 

[False Sense]

I would actually completely agree with you if we were talking about literally anything besides a pokemon remake. To make a long-winded argument concise and to the point: I'd bet you money that or/as was both planned and develloped alongside x/y. As such, or/as has probably been finished or essentially finished for months, and being announced just the other day probably had little to do with it just being completed, and everything to do with deliberately putting time between its release and x/y's release to promote sales.

I'd be willing to bet money against that. I don't see a whole lot of evidence to support the idea that the games have been developed and near finished during the making of X and Y.

I'd be even more willing to bet that you'll get told off for triple posting, though. EDIT: Yep.

 

[Wii Twerk Trainer]

I like him but I can't see him happening.

Pikachu
Lucario
Charizard
Greninja
Mewtwo
Jigglypuff


This seems like the Pokemon roster. Unless poke on gets 7 reps or something.

 

[Maxilian]

I like him but I can't see him happening.

Pikachu
Lucario
Charizard
Greninja
Mewtwo
Jigglypuff


This seems like the Pokemon roster. Unless poke on gets 7 reps or something.

Well... that's what most people are thinking about... 7 pokemon reps

 

[Sonic Poke]

Guys, please, stop with this argument. It's not valid.

You say that we have not seen any content of Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, but, how many DK stages they have revealed? Jungle Japes for 3DS. Are they hidding it for a possible Dixie reveal? Who knows. You say that we have not seen any content of Super Mario 3D World, but, what do you want? Cat suit? Double Cherry? Almost every thing that is possible for Mario was already revealed.
Other important thing, Mario 3D Worlds was launched in November 2013. Sonic Lost World was launched only one month before and we have content of this game in SSB4. What, had not you seen? The Windy Hill stage already revealed is from this game. And it's a third part stage....
Wait... October 2013... Was not the month that Pokémon XY was launched? Yes, it did. Have you played this game? If yes, you know all the hints stated about Hoen. A NPC discribed Hoen and said that you are going to know this land soon. I'm pretty sure that a pokémon developer did not wake up this week and said to the other:
-Hey dude, lets develop a Hoen remake?
-Oh, yes. When are you going to reveal?
-Tomorrow. I think that Ken can disign a Mega Groudon and a Mega Kyogre to the covers, so we can show it since we do not have any content!
-Oh yes! I think that we can launch it in November Oompa Loompa Derp Derp... :/
Guys, the game possibly started to be created since the time that they decided to create a Mega Blaziken to reveal it first saying: 'HeyI it's a Mega Evolution of a pokémon that you won't find in the game. But he's not the only one!' And they started to develop it just after they finish XY.
Now you say: But, how can Sakurai know about it? Guys, he's developing the greatest marketing machine about other nintendo games, how he cannot know about the content and of the future content of the games that he's promoting?
Enouth!

 

[Kalimdori]

Guys, please, stop with this argument. It's not valid.

You say that we have not seen any content of Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, but, how many DK stages they have revealed? Jungle Japes for 3DS. Are they hidding it for a possible Dixie reveal? Who knows. You say that we have not seen any content of Super Mario 3D World, but, what do you want? Cat suit? Double Cherry? Almost every thing that is possible for Mario was already revealed.
Other important thing, Mario 3D Worlds was launched in November 2013. Sonic Lost World was launched only one month before and we have content of this game in SSB4. What, had not you seen? The Windy Hill stage already revealed is from this game. And it's a third part stage....
Wait... October 2013... Was not the month that Pokémon XY was launched? Yes, it did. Have you played this game? If yes, you know all the hints stated about Hoen. A NPC discribed Hoen and said that you are going to know this land soon. I'm pretty sure that a pokémon developer did not wake up this week and said to the other:
-Hey dude, lets develop a Hoen remake?
-Oh, yes. When are you going to reveal?
-Tomorrow. I think that Ken can disign a Mega Groudon and a Mega Kyogre to the covers, so we can show it since we do not have any content!
-Oh yes! I think that we can launch it in November Oompa Loompa Derp Derp... :/
Guys, the game possibly started to be created since the time that they decided to create a Mega Blaziken to reveal it first saying: 'HeyI it's a Mega Evolution of a pokémon that you won't find in the game. But he's not the only one!' And they started to develop it just after they finish XY.
Now you say: But, how can Sakurai know about it? Guys, he's developing the greatest marketing machine about other nintendo games, how he cannot know about the content and of the future content of the games that he's promoting?
Enouth!

 

[Mega Bidoof]

So......
What about Plusle & Minun?
They had Mega Evolutions trademarked, along with Jynx, Sceptile, and the 3 Hoenn legendaries.