The Forest Master Rises! Sceptile for Smash Bros! Over 100 supporters!!!

[Pacack]

Yeah, at least we know that we actually have Mega Kyogre and Mega Groudon in the cover.

Serebii said that they were just comparing the designs from what I understand. Those aren't the Megas.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Serebii said that they were just comparing the designs from what I understand. Those aren't the Megas.

But they strongly hinted.

 

[Pacack]

But they strongly hinted.

I don't suppose you speak Japanese, do you?

From my understanding, they were simply admiring the differences between the box art and the official artwork.

 

[Kalimdori]

Updated support list. If I have forgotten someone, please, let me know!

I have been forgotten, and would prefer not to remain so :D

 

[Reality_Ciak]

I like the idea that the box art is them in the process of mega evolving.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't suppose you speak Japanese, do you?

From my understanding, they were simply admiring the differences between the box art and the official artwork.

They were given the "never before seen Pokémon" label that Black Kyurem, White Kyurem, and Mega Mewtwo Y got on Thursday.

 

[leprechaunlink727]

Probably the best possible grass rep at this point, but I would rather not see him if it we means we would lose Jigglypuff or Mewtwo wouldn't return.

 

[Pacack]

They were given the "never before seen Pokémon" label that Black Kyurem, White Kyurem, and Mega Mewtwo Y got on Thursday.

Fun. If so, those are the most underwhelming Megas yet.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

>notinsupportlist
>moveset not in OP

Im just gonna go cry while eating all of the ice cream in the corner.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Yeah there are kinda already two threads where the footage can really be discussed, so I went ahead and locked the thread.

I still cant find where this is viewable, though. Even the link a few post above yours, twice, is just a guys commentary as he watches it.

 

[Curious Villager]

I still cant find where this is viewable, though. Even the link a few post above yours, twice, is just a guys commentary as he watches it.

Well it has already ended but if you want to see the short footage with Groudon and Kyogre then there is this.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Well it has already ended but if you want to see the short footage with Groudon and Kyogre then there is this.

so, no information was released at all?
thanks for ruining the only 'surprise'

 

[Curious Villager]

so, no information was released at all?
thanks for ruining the only 'surprise'

Not much besides this.
You're welcome.

 

[papagenos]

I'm all for Sceptile because I'm not the biggest fan of Greninja on the roster...call it OCD but he just feels "off" to me, howeve3r if we had Charizard Greninja and Sceptile than it would all "fit" in my mind i'd be like "oooh ok that makes sense, a final evolution starter of each type from different gens".

so because of that i'm pushing for sceptile, and you can say thats stupid reasoning i dont care its just truly why i want him.

 

[SorrowOfAcheron]

I'm all for Sceptile because I'm not the biggest fan of Greninja on the roster...call it OCD but he just feels "off" to me, howeve3r if we had Charizard Greninja and Sceptile than it would all "fit" in my mind i'd be like "oooh ok that makes sense, a final evolution starter of each type from different gens".

so because of that i'm pushing for sceptile, and you can say thats stupid reasoning i dont care its just truly why i want him.

There's no 'stupid' reason for wanting a character.
I want Sceptile because he's my favorite Poke; others want him because they think it reduces the chances of other Pokemon they don't want to see, while others just want him to complete the type trinity.

All reason enough.

 

[IceyBeef]

I'm honestly fine with ANY pokemon in smash 4. As long if Jiggly Puff is in it, no one gets hurt

 

[pupNapoleon]

Fun. If so, those are the most underwhelming Megas yet.

They look exactly the same; I'm sorry, their body grooves havelight filling them. It isn't a matter of it being underwhelming, it isn't a change at all.

 

[Reality_Ciak]

I'm honestly fine with ANY pokemon in smash 4. As long if Jiggly Puff is in it, no one gets hurt

But.. Everyone gets hurt... Its jigglypuff... The pink murder machine...

 

[Cheezey Bites]

They look exactly the same; I'm sorry, their body grooves havelight filling them. It isn't a matter of it being underwhelming, it isn't a change at all.

They already had light filing them, of the opposite colour and the grooves have moved. If you don't like it fine! Don't buy them!

 

[Reality_Ciak]

They look exactly the same; I'm sorry, their body grooves havelight filling them. It isn't a matter of it being underwhelming, it isn't a change at all.

They could be their megas, there's no rule that says the appearance has to be a drastic overhaul, they might not be their megas, there are other form changes in the world of pokemon, they could be in the process of mega evolution, it's tentative box art thay could change, probably just teasing their megas but not showing them off quite yet. We don't know anything yet, we have an image and less than a minute of footage.

 

[SmashBro99]

Sceptile is in my top 10 favorite pokemon, top 3 starter pokemon and favorite grass starter/pokemon, I want him in. I don't think "completing the type trinity" will be enough, as awesome as that would be.

The Ruby/Sapphire remakes were just announced, I doubt we will get any footage of Sceptile in that game to hype up his appearance in smash which is the only way I see him getting in as a playable fighter...

I just hope Jigglypuff is cut, being one of the originals shouldn't be a reason to keep her around, her gaining a fairy type doesn't even feel like they could do much with it without changing her moves ALOT.

 

[Aguki90]

I just hope Jigglypuff is cut, being one of the originals shouldn't be a reason to keep her around, her gaining a fairy type doesn't even feel like they could do much with it without changing her moves ALOT.

That the only problem wtih jiggly, is a freaking fairy/normal type. Is gonna be different somehow even with is normal typing.

War, war never change.

 

[Kind Dedede]

Sceptile is in my top 10 favorite pokemon, top 3 starter pokemon and favorite grass starter/pokemon, I want him in. I don't think "completing the type trinity" will be enough, as awesome as that would be.

The Ruby/Sapphire remakes were just announced, I doubt we will get any footage of Sceptile in that game to hype up his appearance in smash which is the only way I see him getting in as a playable fighter...

I just hope Jigglypuff is cut, being one of the originals shouldn't be a reason to keep her around, her gaining a fairy type doesn't even feel like they could do much with it without changing her moves ALOT.

We already have a type trinity though, may not be the one we all expected but Water/Dark -> Fire/Flying -> Fighting/Steel does compute.


Why cut a perfectly capable fighter with their own move set? She's unique and has no clones. Leave her be since she's not stopping anybody from getting in. No, I don't believe in the # of rep belief. If they want to put in more pokemon characters, they would. Jigglypuff wasn't decided over anybody special in Melee nor Brawl, while Mewtwo was cut due to time constraints.


As for Sceptile, its fun in theory but I'd have to see it in action before I voted yay/nay

 

[pupNapoleon]

They could be their megas, there's no rule that says the appearance has to be a drastic overhaul, they might not be their megas, there are other form changes in the world of pokemon, they could be in the process of mega evolution, it's tentative box art they could change, probably just teasing their megas but not showing them off quite yet. We don't know anything yet, we have an image and less than a minute of footage.

How can that be their megas? Both you and the person above you said something to the effect, it seems I wasnt clear.

They cannot be their megas because they are their regular appearances. There is indeed a standard that they change at al... what is different about those pictures?

edit: we are just looking at color, that the grooves are white? Eh... this is so difficult for me to understand I couldnt even see this as what was meant by their megas.
No.... it is just a move or some other happening. That is a hugely common trope in Pokemon, and in anime, and life in general, absorption of light to gain power.
It seems evident it could not possibly indicate mega form.

Even from a sheer marketing standpoint, that is a crappy idea: release two mega forms of legendaries, tell no one, even to the point that people arent sure that is what they are. Keep quiet just long enough and people... wont notice?

I just dont understand where any logic is. They arent the mega forms, the best possible scenario would be to hint that they DO get mega forms. Hopefully so, I always thought these too looked derpy.

 

[Burigu]

First of all, there are no patterns? No patterns whatsoever? Sakurai just throws darts at a board to craft the roster?

I don't understand why you are so insistent that we're being naive. Are you under the impression that I, or any of the other Sceptile supporters, are arguing that there isn't a possibility Sceptile doesn't make it? As if it's a garuntee? If anything, you seem to be arguing that there no possibility what-so-ever that a starter that fits well into the roster from the newest main-series pokemon entry could make it, or at least that it's not even solidly within the possibilty. That seems a little naive to me.
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Trying to say Sakurai keeps up to the hopes of people is naive, it's universally acepted that people can't really predict him regardless of what fans consider "obvious", "very likely" or "fitting" sometimes people get lucky actually at predicting him, so this starter trinity as much likely or fitting, despite his chances, is in no way to almost guarantee Sceptile inclusion Sakurai has troled rosters and expectations since Melee, people were sure Lucario would be replaced by Zoroark that he would not return, and Lucario is back, people had cut Jigglypuff from the next game since ancient times, yet there is Jigglypuff (brawl) , is Ridley liked and demanded? let's put R.O.B. in the roster instead, is King K Rool highly demanded? let's put Olimar in the game.
No offense to R.O.B or Olimar supporters just making a point. (at least of the last game)

Talk about selective reading there, I never said "YOU THE WHOLE SCEPTILE SUPPORTERS" I said people so only if you feel identified with people then yeah so I am not saying EVERY SUPPORTER IS NAIVE please read carefully.

Lastly I don't mind having Sceptile, if you read my WHOLE post you might have read that I said to keep expectations realistic, nothing is worse than see your character don't making in the game despite the fact that there were lots of hinds or that "it makes sense", so don't be so defensive, Sceptile might be likely, might make sense, yet this is Sakurai we are talking about.

The last part of my post was a joke on the whole pattern thing Charizard and Greninja are both dual typed and even make some use of their secondary typing in smash but Sceptile isn't, if you like to see patterns because it makes sense you can't ignore this and only see the patterns that fit your hopes to increase Sceptile chances.

I only invite people to look on the higher picture, it's easy to be carried in the hype train with the whole supporters, it's better to be a bit exceptical even when evidence tells you otherwise.

So peace friend, stop using your "this guy don't want Sceptile" glasses to selective read and counter argument with someone who doesn't even mind the character , I NEVER said I don't want him, I just suggested people to keep hopes low and not let themselves be blind with everyone's hype that's all

Wise words. I think perhaps a lot of people fall into the trap of deciding on a character first, then only looking at or interpreting information in a way that 'supports' their inclusion.

Personally I think the most likely list of Pokemon reps is the characters we've already seen + Jigglypuff. Cutting a three-game SSB veteran would be outrageous, and two newcomers for what is already one of the best represented series in Smash would seem out of proportion to me. If that Pokken Fighters thing turns out to be true, though, I'd definitely be up for seeing Sceptile in that.

Really happy someone actually understood the meaning of my post congratulations to you!

 

[Overtaken]

You're being difficult to understand when in one breath you dismiss Sceptile's chances and in the next breath say things that would reeinforce the argument that he would stand a chance (namely, Sakurai's tendency to include characters that weren't being heavily requested to the ire of those who were)

I suppose, to have a clearer idea of where you are coming from, I'd ask you this: what would you put Sceptile's chances at, as a percentage, and why?

 

[SmashBro99]

no clones.

I had to. xD

 

[Sonic Poke]

I'm a great Sceptile supporter not because he's one of my top favorite pokemon (my tops are Ivysaur, Lapras, Tauros and Dragonite). I'd not mind if we get an other grass type starter in his place, even if it's Torterra, Venusaur, Serperior, Meganium or Chesnaught. I just belive that we are going to get two pokemon newcomers, just because we had it since Meele.

I think that Sceptile is the most likely as the second pokemon newcomer because:
-Grass type, that would complete the triangle. A triangle that's promoted by game freak since Red and Blue, and is highly used as marketing.
-Obvious future marketing target, since the Hoen remakes are now real and known.
-Owned by Ash, along with Charizard and Greninja Frokie, two playable characters in SSB4WiiU and 3DS. Anime is used as marketing to promote new games, and is one of the main references of the content of SSB.
-Pokemon is different of the other series represented in smash. Pokemon promotes Smash more than Smash promotes Pokemon. If the content added to to smash is recent, more significant will be the marketing. The 3rd generation will be the current target of marketing when smash get launched.

I really prefer Venusaur, Serperior or Torterra as reps, but it's not about what I want, it's about what is possible. And Sceptile is really cool. I really likes him. I'll not be hurt if Sceptile is not in, I'll care if we does not get a second newcomer. But I'll survive, my hype is not that great.

 

[Kind Dedede]

I had to. xD

Hah, nice!

 

[Burigu]

You're being difficult to understand when in one breath you dismiss Sceptile's chances and in the next breath say things that would reeinforce the argument that he would stand a chance (namely, Sakurai's tendency to include characters that weren't being heavily requested to the ire of those who were)

I suppose, to have a clearer idea of where you are coming from, I'd ask you this: what would you put Sceptile's chances at, as a percentage, and why?

I suppose you are refering to me there, my intention is not to dismiss him, like I said I posted that because sometimes people are over optimistic, I don't generalize but the hype for Omega Ruby and Alpha Safire send somepeople to have really high hopes, I just pointed out that as much as it makes sense to have the 3 types represented, this is Sakurai we are talking about, "so everybody is expecting 3 starters let's put 2 instead"

I give him 16% might look a bit low but, as I said Sakurai is anything but predectible, despite getting 3rd gen remakes they are still remakes and not a brand new region or gen.

In general my point was to keep expectations low, it's common here that lots of fans of the same character gather and they are all sure their character is "a shoe in", and then when Sakurai reveals the truth everybody get highly dissapointed, saying things like "how could Sakurai skip the great opportunity this character would have bring to the game?"

So don't get me wrong I don't really support Sceptile but I don't mind having him in the game at all, mine was just an attempt to help people to realize that anything is posible and nothing in this game is predectible or set in stone.

 

[Banjo-Kazooie]

Im just annoyed that the starters I pick never get chosen for potential Smash characters. Meanwhile my brother who uses Charizard, Greninja and Sceptile gets all the goods. Would a bit of Delphox or Venusaur with Ivysaur's moveset be too much to ask?. And I dont care for the "Grass pokemon to have the 3 starter elements" thing. It's not like Delphox would play like Charizard at all (maybe a Zelda clone).

But enough derailing. If Sceptile makes it in, maybe he could have something related to his hidden ability Unburden? (Pokemon speed rises when item is used). Perhaps when Sceptile throws/uses an items, his speed raises for a short period.

 

[SchAlternate]

Welp. Made a moveset.

Holy crap, is it a long one.

(Not sorry for the corny pun)

 

[Morbi]

Im just annoyed that the starters I pick never get chosen for potential Smash characters. Meanwhile my brother who uses Charizard, Greninja and Sceptile gets all the goods. Would a bit of Delphox or Venusaur with Ivysaur's moveset be too much to ask?. And I dont care for the "Grass pokemon to have the 3 starter elements" thing. It's not like Delphox would play like Charizard at all (maybe a Zelda clone).

But enough derailing. If Sceptile makes it in, maybe he could have something related to his hidden ability Unburden? (Pokemon speed rises when item is used). Perhaps when Sceptile throws/uses an items, his speed raises for a short period.

I am the lucky one, all of my starters are playable; Charizard and Greninja, possibly Sceptile.

That would be a really interesting mechanic.

 

[egaddmario]

It would be better if Unburden also kicked in for Razor Leaf if he had it for a move. Imagine him zipping around, firing leaves, and Leaf Blading. Such good. Much want.

 

[Cheezey Bites]

Sceptile can't learn Razor Leaf though...

 

[Bassoonist]

Hm... Well, now that we have Charizard and Greninja, it would be imbalanced if we didn't get a grass starter of some kind.

However, of the generations that are not currently represented by playable characters, third generation is not alone. There is also Generation II and Generation V.

I guess I just personally think that the idea of Starters being their own characters in SSB is just a bit weird to me still. Greninja was so out of the left field. However, IF there is any logic to this, with the confirmation of R/S remakes, that really makes Sceptile seem inevitable. Especially since Generation representation doesn't seem important to Sakurai.

So yeah, I'd say Sceptile is likely. Not my first choice, though. =/

 

[Reality_Ciak]

Hm... Well, now that we have Charizard and Greninja, it would be imbalanced if we didn't get a grass starter of some kind.

However, of the generations that are not currently represented by playable characters, third generation is not alone. There is also Generation II and Generation V.

I guess I just personally think that the idea of Starters being their own characters in SSB is just a bit weird to me still. Greninja was so out of the left field. However, IF there is any logic to this, with the confirmation of R/S remakes, that really makes Sceptile seem inevitable. Especially since Generation representation doesn't seem important to Sakurai.

So yeah, I'd say Sceptile is likely. Not my first choice, though. =/

Meganium or Serperior? Or not grass?

 

[Cheezey Bites]

However, of the generations that are not currently represented by playable characters, third generation is not alone. There is also Generation II and Generation V.

Gen 2 DID have a playable character, even if they're not in the cast anymore, so I think that's fair for them; sad about gen 5 missing out though... especially as it's my favorite so far...

 

[egaddmario]

Sceptile can't learn Razor Leaf though...

Bullet Seed then?

 

[AncientTobacco]

Support.

He's the perfect choice for the next Pokemon rep.
+ Completes the starter type trinity.
+ A plant user, something Smash lacks now that Ivy is cut.
+ From a gen not yet represented.
+ Good advertising for the Hoenn remakes.
+ Looks badass.