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[Thane of Blue Flames]

Jigglypuff is not being cut.

Not because she is important.
Not because she is iconic.

Because she is in the original 12.
That may b he only reason, but it is a gigantic reason.

Yeah, and that kind of annoys me. Unlike Falcon, Ness and the other unrevealed 64'ers (are there any more?) Jigglypuff is from a series that has far more popular, relevant and 'Smash-like' choices. A series so stuffed with such possibilities it could have its own fighting game spin-off. I find it kind of absurd that Jiggs is still foisted on us, all becase Sakurai felt that Pokemon was a good choice for 'joke' characters two installments in a row (Jiggs in 64, Pichu in Melee).

 

[AustarusIV]

You can add me to the supporters list.

I've always had a soft spot for the Hoenn games, and Treecko was my starter Pokemon. I dunno what this would mean for Mewtwo and Jigglypuff if it actually gets in, but if it does and they don't, then at least we have the last three Smash games.

 

[Overtaken]

If we're being honest, I don't see what makes people think Sceptile is likely in any way. You can't tell me it's logical, and you can't tell me it makes sense, other than "Grass starter to go with Fire/Water." Sceptile is a blade user, like Greninja is in Smash, and to say that Sceptile > Mewtwo in terms of Pokemon importance is simply not even the case. It's foolish to think that.

Do I think Sceptile would be cool, and is he likely based on Gamefreak's past trends as a DLC character if he gets alot of attention for OR/AS and DLC even exists/works that way for Smash 4. Yes/Maybe.

Besides that, Mewtwo was planned for Brawl, but discarding that because the circumstances are unknown, almost no Pokemon (barring Pikachu) is as important or spotlighted as Mewtwo is right now. If we get six Pokemon, and still have Jigglypuff, it's him, and not Sceptile.

I get that it's a cool idea people, but don't get lost in the forest and confuse your facts.

I love Mewtwo, and do want him back, but this Hoenn confirmation is enormous. I'd love 7 poke slots with Mewtwo, Jiggs and Sceptile, or even six with Jiggs cut, but I do think 6 is a little more likely and Jiggs being cut is a little less likely. So as I see it, most likely it's either Mewtwo or Sceptile. I never thought Mewtwo was a lock by any means, but a pretty damn good shot until today; this burned him really hard.

Here is a fact that needs to never, ever be forgotten about Sakurai's roster choices: It's not dictated by fan popularity. A hand-full of picks will, yes, be prioritized by popular demand, but the majority of the selection is what Sakurai and Sakurai alone wants: who matches his vision for the game, who compliments the rest of the roster, etc. There are two main reasons he may pick Mewtwo over Sceptile, popularity (see above) or relevance, and Sceptile just got a turbo-shot of that injected straight into his temple today.

Now Sceptile versus Blaziken is a different matter. You'd be out of your mind if you don't believe Sceptile and Swampert are getting Mega-evolutions. Unlike Blaziken, theirs are going to be brand new, fresh out of the package. And yes, type does matter. It represents the core way in which pokemon are diverse, visually and functionally from one another. Having more pokemon, or characters at all, that use fire as the basis of their attacks, especially a second pokemon, is clearly unappealing from a design stand-point. What other character is going to be using plant-based attacks? No one, certainly not Ivysaur. So I submit yes, Sceptile's type, and by extension his overall design, is much more attractive than is Blaziken's. And then consider the fact that starter Pokemon have always been a phenomenon connected by one major thing through all of these games: 1 grass, 1 fire, 1 water. It represents the most core and defining feature of the Pokemon games' battle system: the complex "rock paper scissors" relationship between the types. And as far as pokemon culture and fandom goes, I've always seen an attachment in people to the starter type. There are people prejudiced toward the grass starter, the water starter, fire starter. It's like little 'camps'. People will say such things as "I always pick the fire starter but this generation's fire type sucks ass, I might have to go with Froakie." Or better yet, "I really like Froakie, he's my favorite of the three but I always pick the fire starter, so I'm going to still have to go with Fennekin." I think it'd be foolish to believe that Sakurai would ignore the 'starter type trinity'; he understands pokemon too well to do that. This thread's existence is proof in and of itself that people naturally see it that way, that it makes sense to people.
"We have Charizard and Greninja, where is the grass starter!"

 

[RIDLEY is too SMALL]

I think it'd be foolish to believe that Sakurai would ignore the 'starter type trinity'

Hasn't stopped him before.

the most core and defining feature of the Pokemon games' battle system: the complex "rock paper scissors" relationship between the types.

Lucario is a fighting type.
Greninja is a dark type.
We need a psychic type to complete the trinity.
. . .
Mewtwo confirmed.

 

[Overtaken]

Hasn't stopped him before.



Lucario is a fighting type.
Greninja is a dark type.
We need a psychic type to complete the trinity.
. . .
Mewtwo confirmed.

Lucario takes normal damage from psychic. Trinity incomplete.

Sceptile confirmed

 

[Autumn ♫]

Lucario takes normal damage from psychic. Trinity incomplete.

Sceptile confirmed

Well, we got to make up some Steel type Trinity, Sceptile deconfirmed.

 

[Morbi]

Yeah, and that kind of annoys me. Unlike Falcon, Ness and the other unrevealed 64'ers (are there any more?) Jigglypuff is from a series that has far more popular, relevant and 'Smash-like' choices. A series so stuffed with such possibilities it could have its own fighting game spin-off. I find it kind of absurd that Jiggs is still foisted on us, all becase Sakurai felt that Pokemon was a good choice for 'joke' characters two installments in a row (Jiggs in 64, Pichu in Melee).

I feel as though Jigglypuff is STILL more prominent and prevalent than Sceptile though.

 

[Overtaken]

Hasn't stopped him before.

The evolutionary lines of Venusaur, Charizard and Blastoise have all appeared together in every smash to date.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, we got to make up some Steel type Trinity, Sceptile deconfirmed.

We're already at a trinity.

Charizard, the Fire/Flying type, is strong against Lucario, the Fighting/Steel type.
Greninja, the Water/Dark type, is strong against Charizard.
Lucario is strong against Greninja.

Mewtwo and Sceptile disconfirmed.

 

[bobadz]

http://pokemonfigure.blogspot.jp/2013/09/registered-trademark-and-mega-pokemon-2.html

Nintendo did trademark mega Sceptle though.

 

[Morbi]

http://pokemonfigure.blogspot.jp/2013/09/registered-trademark-and-mega-pokemon-2.html

Nintendo did trademark mega Sceptle though.

It honestly disgusts me that I am going to illuminate something so utterly repugnant. But perhaps they were waiting for Smash to reveal Mega Sceptile.

 

[bobadz]

It honestly disgusts me that I am going to illuminate something so utterly repugnant. But perhaps they were waiting for Smash to reveal Mega Sceptile.

I wouldn't put it past them.

Mega Charizard X was revealed the Same month X and Y was released, and it's in the game as a mechanic For Charizard of some sort. Charizard was probably had a finished move set by October.

 

[Deleted member]

It honestly disgusts me that I am going to illuminate something so utterly repugnant. But perhaps they were waiting for Smash to reveal Mega Sceptile.

Or Plusle and Minun.

 

[Zhadgon]

Has anyone search polls of popularity from Pokemon? I have only found one and I don´t know how legit is but at least puts the most popular pokemon with 90 characters selected between all 700+. Interesting fact, it seems Sceptile is still the most prominent Grass Starter from all six generations.

Poll:
http://www.dorkly.com/toplist/56974/the-greatest-pokemon-of-all-time-vote-now

.n_n.

 

[Overtaken]

We're already at a trinity.

Charizard, the Fire/Flying type, is strong against Lucario, the Fighting/Steel type.
Greninja, the Water/Dark type, is strong against Charizard.
Lucario is strong against Greninja.

Mewtwo and Sceptile disconfirmed.

Very true indeed. However, it's not a starter trinity. The point of 'the trinity argument' is that the starters, and the 'fire, grass, water' circle, specifically has always been the iconic trinity. It's more than just 'the starters are always those three particular types' too. When you look at the first gym of B/W, the symbolic importance of the 'starter trinity' is undeniable. It's meant to teach new players how the battle system and types work. All official art work and guides use that trinity to explain it.

 

[RIDLEY is too SMALL]

Very true indeed. However, it's not a starter trinity. The point of 'the trinity argument' is that the starters, and the 'fire, grass, water' circle, specifically has always been the iconic trinity. It's more than just 'the starters are always those three particular types' too. When you look at the first gym of B/W, the symbolic importance of the 'starter trinity' is undeniable. It's meant to teach new players how the battle system and types work. All official art work and guides use that trinity to explain it.

I think we all understood your point. We're just trolling.

While the grass/fire/water starter trinity is obviously iconic, I don't think elemental typing matters much in Smash. The playable characters in Smash 64 were electric and normal. Melee had two electric, one normal, and one psychic. Brawl added a fighting/steel type and Pokémon trainer (which is the only example of the fire/water/grass trinity mattering in Smash, and this character has since been scrapped, or at least it appears that way.) My point is that, with the exception of Pokémon Trainer in Brawl, typing really has not mattered in Smash in terms of playable characters.

 

[Deleted member]

Very true indeed. However, it's not a starter trinity. The point of 'the trinity argument' is that the starters, and the 'fire, grass, water' circle, specifically has always been the iconic trinity. It's more than just 'the starters are always those three particular types' too. When you look at the first gym of B/W, the symbolic importance of the 'starter trinity' is undeniable. It's meant to teach new players how the battle system and types work. All official art work and guides use that trinity to explain it.

Which means nothing towards Smash 4.

The only time the "starter trinity" meant anything for Smash was Brawl with the Pokémon Trainer and the weakness attributes of his Pokémon.
Charizard is going solo now, and unless the weakness attribute is still present, and he takes extra knockback from Greninja's water attacks to where we would need someone like Sceptile to bring balance by dealing extra knockback to Greninja and to take extra knockback from Charizard, the concept of the trinity is irrelevant.

Considering that Charizard is well, Charizard, and Greninja is apparently the most popular Pokémon from Kalos, they have reason to be in Smash outside of some "starter trinity" theory.
Sceptile? Has existed since 2002 and isn't among the most popular of Pokémon, let alone of the Generation he came from.

 

[Morbi]

Which means nothing towards Smash 4.

The only time the "starter trinity" meant anything for Smash was Brawl with the Pokémon Trainer and the weakness attributes of his Pokémon.
Charizard is going solo now, and unless the weakness attribute is still present, and he takes extra knockback from Greninja's water attacks to where we would need someone like Sceptile to bring balance by dealing extra knockback to Greninja and to take extra knockback from Charizard, the concept of the trinity is irrelevant.

Considering that Charizard is well, Charizard, and Greninja is apparently the most popular Pokémon from Kalos, they have reason to be in Smash outside of some "starter trinity" theory.
Sceptile? Has existed since 2002 and isn't among the most popular of Pokémon, let alone of the Generation he came from.

Didn't you get the memo? Sceptile is all of a sudden the most popular Gen 3 Pokemon to walk the earth; it all just happened today. It doesn't matter if he couldn't accrue any prominence in a decade, he has it now!

 

[praline]

I still would've loved Gardevoir as a playable character.

 

[Banjodorf]

I love Mewtwo, and do want him back, but this Hoenn confirmation is enormous. I'd love 7 poke slots with Mewtwo, Jiggs and Sceptile, or even six with Jiggs cut, but I do think 6 is a little more likely and Jiggs being cut is a little less likely. So as I see it, most likely it's either Mewtwo or Sceptile. I never thought Mewtwo was a lock by any means, but a pretty damn good shot until today; this burned him really hard.

Here is a fact that needs to never, ever be forgotten about Sakurai's roster choices: It's not dictated by fan popularity. A hand-full of picks will, yes, be prioritized by popular demand, but the majority of the selection is what Sakurai and Sakurai alone wants: who matches his vision for the game, who compliments the rest of the roster, etc. There are two main reasons he may pick Mewtwo over Sceptile, popularity (see above) or relevance, and Sceptile just got a turbo-shot of that injected straight into his temple today.

Now Sceptile versus Blaziken is a different matter. You'd be out of your mind if you don't believe Sceptile and Swampert are getting Mega-evolutions. Unlike Blaziken, theirs are going to be brand new, fresh out of the package. And yes, type does matter. It represents the core way in which pokemon are diverse, visually and functionally from one another. Having more pokemon, or characters at all, that use fire as the basis of their attacks, especially a second pokemon, is clearly unappealing from a design stand-point. What other character is going to be using plant-based attacks? No one, certainly not Ivysaur. So I submit yes, Sceptile's type, and by extension his overall design, is much more attractive than is Blaziken's. And then consider the fact that starter Pokemon have always been a phenomenon connected by one major thing through all of these games: 1 grass, 1 fire, 1 water. It represents the most core and defining feature of the Pokemon games' battle system: the complex "rock paper scissors" relationship between the types. And as far as pokemon culture and fandom goes, I've always seen an attachment in people to the starter type. There are people prejudiced toward the grass starter, the water starter, fire starter. It's like little 'camps'. People will say such things as "I always pick the fire starter but this generation's fire type sucks ***, I might have to go with Froakie." Or better yet, "I really like Froakie, he's my favorite of the three but I always pick the fire starter, so I'm going to still have to go with Fennekin." I think it'd be foolish to believe that Sakurai would ignore the 'starter type trinity'; he understands pokemon too well to do that. This thread's existence is proof in and of itself that people naturally see it that way, that it makes sense to people.
"We have Charizard and Greninja, where is the grass starter!"

Please show me the evidence that Sceptile is getting chosen just because of a starter type trinity bit of nonsense. Yes, it's a core element of Pokemon, but with 6 Pokemon choices, three of them don't fit that at all. It makes no sense to pick Sceptile of all Pokemon for that, because he has literally nothing else going for him. Hoenn remakes? They'll be out months after Smash 3DS if things go according to schedule. And even then, why him? What niche does he fill that isn't filled already?

Did Sakurai maybe know about them beforehand? Probably, but mark my words, and I'll come back here and make note of it once we know the final roster: He's not going to ignore how important Mewtwo is to everything about Pokemon just to choose Sceptile because he's flavor of the month (It's funny, because he's not even that. He never actually was, people just love to make assumptions.) Blaziken was always the Hoenn favorite. He got the advertisement, he got the Mega first, he's got everything, and they're still not going to pick him. It's not because he's fire type, it's not because he's fighting type, if anything, whatever Pokken Fighters is should probably give him an edge based on that screenshot, but it's still not going to happen.

This thread's existence proves nothing but people like to see patterns in everything. Just look at all the people clamoring for a "retro revival character" because Sakurai said he wants to revive Retro characters and has done so in all games since 64.

Have I seen any evidence of Sceptile being marketed or pushed by Gamefreak in any way, who we know to be pushy and a deciding factor in Pokemon reps? No. Granted, we didn't see much of that for Greninja, but Greninja did get alot of favoritism in the movepool and ability department, and was the obvious competitive pick over the other two. And, to cite precedent that cool Pokemon are always the more popular, he's the shadowy Ninja dark-type. May I ask who in Gen 3 was pushed as the more important and badass? Well, back then, the answer actually would've been Swampert if you looked at competitive play, but Blaziken always got the "popular badass" vote, and now, Blaziken is probably the absolute best starter in the entire game, and the first Gen 3 starter to receive a mega.

You can't compare Sceptile to Mewtwo until you can show me some concrete evidence that those specific Pokemon are in contention. People are free to support who they want, but I work with facts as best I can.

 

[?????????????]

Sceptile, tied with Mewtwo, is my favorite Pokemon of all time. I'm not expecting a token Hoenn character, BUT...I support Sceptile as a playable character in SSB.

 

[TeenGirlSquad]

Have people gone out of their minds.

 

[Banjodorf]

Well, I'm totally fine with people supporting a character they love.

I mean look at my name, my dream character is one that's literally never happening, and that depresses me from time to time. At least this one technically has a shot...

The only part that bothers me is the mentality that all the sudden it's a big and obvious necessity, and of course there was gonna be a grass starter, and **** Mewtwo all the sudden; suddenly Sakurai's going to choose Sceptile, a Pokemon who's never actually been acknowledged outside of the anime for anything significant (Don't throw Jigglypuff at me. Don't do it.) over a character that's been in Smash before, and is now the most powerful Pokemon in the game, who's never lost their popularity, and has always been one of, if not "the" fan favorite, in contention with Zard and Pikachu.

Makes you want to scream on the inside. That said, if Sceptile happened, I'd honestly love it. But don't be idiots, people.

 

[ToothiestAura]

Have people gone out of their minds.

Damn straight, they have.

 

[praline]

Well, I'm totally fine with people supporting a character they love.

I mean look at my name, my dream character is one that's literally never happening, and that depresses me from time to time. At least this one technically has a shot...

The only part that bothers me is the mentality that all the sudden it's a big and obvious necessity, and of course there was gonna be a grass starter, and **** Mewtwo all the sudden; suddenly Sakurai's going to choose Sceptile, a Pokemon who's never actually been acknowledged outside of the anime for anything significant (Don't throw Jigglypuff at me. Don't do it.) over a character that's been in Smash before, and is now the most powerful Pokemon in the game, who's never lost their popularity, and has always been one of, if not "the" fan favorite, in contention with Zard and Pikachu.

Makes you want to screen on the inside. That said, if Sceptile happened, I'd honestly love it. But don't be idiots, people.

I don't think people want him over Mewtwo... I think they want both.

 

[Morbi]

Well, I'm totally fine with people supporting a character they love.

I mean look at my name, my dream character is one that's literally never happening, and that depresses me from time to time. At least this one technically has a shot...

The only part that bothers me is the mentality that all the sudden it's a big and obvious necessity, and of course there was gonna be a grass starter, and **** Mewtwo all the sudden; suddenly Sakurai's going to choose Sceptile, a Pokemon who's never actually been acknowledged outside of the anime for anything significant (Don't throw Jigglypuff at me. Don't do it.) over a character that's been in Smash before, and is now the most powerful Pokemon in the game, who's never lost their popularity, and has always been one of, if not "the" fan favorite, in contention with Zard and Pikachu.

Makes you want to screen on the inside. That said, if Sceptile happened, I'd honestly love it. But don't be idiots, people.

Ganondorf is already in the game though; in fact, you main him in Melee.

I agree though, Sceptile isn't any bigger. This is largely a Smash mentality to adhere to an arbitrary fan-pattern. I doubt the predominantly Pokemon fans feel as though Sceptile is miraculously more important, least of all more important than one of the most prominent Pokemon of all time.

 

[Banjodorf]

I don't think people want him over Mewtwo... I think they want both.

I'm sure most do, I really am.

A few posts up though, I was informed that there are a few reasons Sceptile has an edge over Mewtwo. All of which are literally fabricated musings due to an announcement made today, and people's necesssity for patterns which don't exist.

I certainly would love both, I just need people to think logically.

 

[praline]

I'm sure most do, I really am.

A few posts up though, I was informed that there are a few reasons Sceptile has an edge over Mewtwo. All of which are literally fabricated musings due to an announcement made today, and people's necesssity for patterns which don't exist.

I certainly would love both, I just need people to think logically.

I think both would be great but if it came down to only Mewtwo or only Sceptile it's gonna be Mewtwo every single time.

 

[Overtaken]

Please show me the evidence that Sceptile is getting chosen just because of a starter type trinity bit of nonsense. Yes, it's a core element of Pokemon, but with 6 Pokemon choices, three of them don't fit that at all. It makes no sense to pick Sceptile of all Pokemon for that, because he has literally nothing else going for him. Hoenn remakes? They'll be out months after Smash 3DS if things go according to schedule. And even then, why him? What niche does he fill that isn't filled already?

Did Sakurai maybe know about them beforehand? Probably, but mark my words, and I'll come back here and make note of it once we know the final roster: He's not going to ignore how important Mewtwo is to everything about Pokemon just to choose Sceptile because he's flavor of the month (It's funny, because he's not even that. He never actually was, people just love to make assumptions.) Blaziken was always the Hoenn favorite. He got the advertisement, he got the Mega first, he's got everything, and they're still not going to pick him. It's not because he's fire type, it's not because he's fighting type, if anything, whatever Pokken Fighters is should probably give him an edge based on that screenshot, but it's still not going to happen.

This thread's existence proves nothing but people like to see patterns in everything. Just look at all the people clamoring for a "retro revival character" because Sakurai said he wants to revive Retro characters and has done so in all games since 64.

Have I seen any evidence of Sceptile being marketed or pushed by Gamefreak in any way, who we know to be pushy and a deciding factor in Pokemon reps? No. Granted, we didn't see much of that for Greninja, but Greninja did get alot of favoritism in the movepool and ability department, and was the obvious competitive pick over the other two. And, to cite precedent that cool Pokemon are always the more popular, he's the shadowy Ninja dark-type. May I ask who in Gen 3 was pushed as the more important and badass? Well, back then, the answer actually would've been Swampert if you looked at competitive play, but Blaziken always got the "popular badass" vote, and now, Blaziken is probably the absolute best starter in the entire game, and the first Gen 3 starter to receive a mega.

You can't compare Sceptile to Mewtwo until you can show me some concrete evidence that those specific Pokemon are in contention. People are free to support who they want, but I work with facts as best I can.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the trinity makes it a garuntee, or that popularity means absolutely nothing, I'm saying huge swings were made in favor of Sceptile and againt, consequestially, Blaziken and Mewtwo. There's always a few 'popularity slots' but they aren't free vouchers to the smash roster either. They still have to be earned. But the majority of the slots are typically on the mid-low end of demand, a few are even off the radar completely. The likes of Roy, Rob, and IC have made it in, while Ridley, Waluigi and K.rool, not to mention Blaziken, have been consistently denied. Also, I think Blaziken's dominance over Sceptile's is being exaggerated a bit. It's not as though Sceptile is not widely recognised, and he has a strong following. He's apparently the most popular grass starter, which says a lot.

Mewtwo and Charizard, number 1 and 2 pretty much for as long as pokemon has existed, and it took it three iterations before Charizard got in at all, and make all the excuses you want, Mewtwo was cut out. Popularity does not simply walk into Mordor decide the roster.

 

[Kalimdori]

I don't think people want him over Mewtwo... I think they want both.

This is what I want. I didn't think Sceptile had a shot unless a remake was coming, but now that one definitely is I'm hoping and praying him and Mewtwo get in and Jigglypuff gets the boot.

 

[Banjodorf]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the trinity makes it a garuntee, or that popularity means absolutely nothing, I'm saying huge swings were made in favor of Sceptile and againt, consequestially, Blaziken and Mewtwo. There's always a few 'popularity slots' but they aren't free vouchers to the smash roster either. They still have to be earned. But the majority of the slots are typically on the mid-low end of demand, a few are even off the radar completely. The likes of Roy, Rob, and IC have made it in, while Ridley, Waluigi and K.rool, not to mention Blaziken, have been consistently denied. Also, I think Blaziken's dominance over Sceptile's is being exaggerated a bit. It's not as though Sceptile is not widely recognised, and he has a strong following. He's apparently the most popular grass starter, which says a lot.

Mewtwo and Charizard, number 1 and 2 pretty much for as long as pokemon has existed, and it took it three iterations before Charizard got in at all, and make all the excuses you want, Mewtwo was cut out. Popularity does not simply walk into Mordor decide the roster.

Make all the excuses I want? No one can tell me with a straight face that Mewtwo's circumstances are the same pre-Brawl as they are now. Guess who's haven't changed in any noticible way, except in the eyes of people who want to believe it? However, I realize we're past the point where sense is going to be made in here, and people are free to support who they want.

I might come back post-announcement and see where we are, and if DLC is announced, I'll probably give him alot of support.

Man, the Pokemon fanbase sure is fickle...

 

[Overtaken]

Make all the excuses I want? No one can tell me with a straight face that Mewtwo's circumstances are the same pre-Brawl as they are now. Guess who's haven't changed in any noticible way, except in the eyes of people who want to believe it? However, I realize we're past the point where sense is going to be made in here, and people are free to support who they want.

I might come back post-announcement and see where we are, and if DLC is announced, I'll probably give him alot of support.

Man, the Pokemon fanbase sure is fickle...

You're letting character demand on Smashboards be the only thing that determines your outlook, at least it seems that way. Mewtwo's situation pre-brawl, was that he was the second most popular pokemon in existence and he was a veteran, now pre-smash 4, he's the second most popular pokemon, he been cut, he has 200 or more additional pokemon to compete against than he did then, his new found mega-evolution relavence has been decimated by Greninja representing/promoting x/y and the Hoenn remakes now making a series play at the other slot. I was bewildered when Mewtwo was cut from Brawl, now, I'm going to be bewildered if he makes it back in (or at least a little shocked)

And I'm the wierd one for thinking that a major pokemon release that is nearly in sync with Smash 4's release may have some impact on a starter from said game?

 

[Deleted member]

Of Grass type starters, Sceptile is one of the only ones I like.
That being said, the arguments used "in favor" of it are pathetic.

Especially that point about "popularity isn't everything".
It may be true in most regards, but popularity is a huge ****ing determinant for Pokémon.

Aside from that, the last game that came before Diamond and Pearl? Emerald.
Why in the Hell did we get the Kanto Trainer, then? The most "relevant" region right before Sinnoh was Hoenn.
We should have had Blaziken, Mudkip, and Grovyle instead!

 

[SethTheMage]

I can support Sceptile. He was my favorite Hoenn starter and my second favorite Grass starter. I can see him being a very fast character (he has the highest base Speed of any starter, including Mega Blaziken) that utilizes plenty of Grass moves, such as Leaf Blade, Giga Drain, Solar Beam, and possibly Frenzy Plant.

That being said, I'm with Banjodorf and Golden on this one. I strongly believe that Sceptile won't be playable over Mewtwo. Some people in this thread seem to be forgetting Sakurai's comments at the X and Y roundtable regarding Mewtwo and his Mega Evolution being in Smash ("We are thinking about it"). Mewtwo's popularity has always been very high, and he is now relevant again due to his prominence in X and Y and in the movies recently. Sakurai specifically stated his criteria for selecting Pokemon (I'm paraphrasing): he looks at their current relevance, their uniqueness, and how they fit into everything else. Mewtwo is still relevant because of his massive popularity and his appearance in not only the last movie, but the upcoming one as well. He also has a very unique moveset and style.

I'm not saying that Sceptile is an impossibility, but I think that people are really underestimating Mewtwo's chances. Sceptile could also make it in because of ORAS, but I highly doubt he has a higher priority on the roster than Mewtwo. I'm pretty sure that the main reason why people are even talking about Sceptile is because he would complete the starter trio and is now suddenly relevant again with the announcement of ORAS.

 

[Banjodorf]

You're letting character demand on Smashboards be the only thing that determines your outlook, at least it seems that way. Mewtwo's situation pre-brawl, was that he was the second most popular pokemon in existence and he was a veteran, now pre-smash 4, he's the second most popular pokemon, he been cut, he has 200 or more additional pokemon to compete against than he did then, his new found mega-evolution relavence has been decimated by Greninja representing/promoting x/y and the Hoenn remakes now making a series play at the other slot. I was bewildered when Mewtwo was cut from Brawl, now, I'm going to be bewildered if he makes it back in (or at least a little shocked)

And I'm the wierd one for thinking that a major pokemon release that is nearly in sync with Smash 4's release may have some impact on a starter from said game?

Character demand? Honestly I'm not sure why I'm still here. You do realize that a Pokemon's importance still has alot to do with why they're chosen in Smash, yes? Sakurai confirmed that much in a post-E3 interview, about his dealings with GF.

I didn't say "character demand", just to be clear. I said "changed circumstances". A movie, renewed major importance, the only legendary currently released that has a mega evolution, the very first Pokemon used to showcase mega evolution before we even knew what it was. It was Mewtwo, not even Lucario or Zard.

That, plus the fact that Mewtwo (and Zard) are the only two Pokemon thus far to receive two mega evolutions.

And for ****'s sake, people need to stop acting like the Hoenn remakes are going to play a big part in Smash 4's development. They were announced today. If Gamefreak was developing Smash, you might have something, but they're not.

Like I've said countless times, I'm all for your support of a character you love, but people need to stop acting insane, when there's literally nothing pointing in the direction of this particular Pokemon. I really don't want to come back and say "I told you so" in a few months, but this continued discussion and the early time of the morning is really starting to get to me. I don't mean to offend.

 

[False Sense]

You're letting character demand on Smashboards be the only thing that determines your outlook, at least it seems that way. Mewtwo's situation pre-brawl, was that he was the second most popular pokemon in existence and he was a veteran, now pre-smash 4, he's the second most popular pokemon, he been cut, he has 200 or more additional pokemon to compete against than he did then, his new found mega-evolution relavence has been decimated by Greninja representing/promoting x/y and the Hoenn remakes now making a series play at the other slot. I was bewildered when Mewtwo was cut from Brawl, now, I'm going to be bewildered if he makes it back in (or at least a little shocked)

And I'm the wierd one for thinking that a major pokemon release that is nearly in sync with Smash 4's release may have some impact on a starter from said game?

Yeah, reading through your posts here, do you really think that these remakes will have any impact on Smash whatsoever? They're so late in Smash's development (they won't even be released until AFTER Smash is on the 3DS) that it's hard to imagine that they'll actually be referenced at all. I mean, games like Super Mario 3D World and Tropical Freeze are apparently getting ignored with no references whatsoever. If those games don't have an impact on Smash, why should this? And why should it justify the inclusion of a Pokemon who has little going for it other than completing a pattern that, while notable in the Pokemon series, may or may not mean anything in terms of Smash?

And at this point, what does Sceptile have over Chesnaught?

 

[Staarih]

Why in the Hell did we get the Kanto Trainer, then? The most "relevant" region right before Sinnoh was Hoenn.

I'm sure some people could argue that it was because of Fire Red and Leaf Green, especially when PT's design in Brawl was based on FR/LG Red. In a way, we do have a similar situation here, just with R/S remakes. Though I guess that would essentially indicate a Hoenn Trainer or something, which we all know won't happen. But I'm just saying.

Anyway, I have to say, I don't think Sceptile is likely at all (the hype DID get me a bit earlier haha), but I definitely wouldn't mind if he got in.

 

[Louie G.]

I'm going to wait on supporting Sceptile.
I like the idea, but I'd honestly prefer Blaziken at the moment and I'm annoyed that the only reason he's getting support is because of the remakes and the triangle, rather than his own merits.
I'll probably sign up somewhere in the future, though.

 

[Maxilian]

I'm going to wait on supporting Sceptile.
I like the idea, but I'd honestly prefer Blaziken at the moment and I'm annoyed that the only reason he's getting support is because of the remakes and the triangle, rather than his own merits.
I'll probably sign up somewhere in the future, though.

I don't understand why people like Blaziken that much, ok... he's cool and could be OP in R/S/E, but Sceptile is cool (Imo Grovyle looks cooler).....

Note: Well i always ended up taking Mudkip

 

[Louie G.]

Note: Well i always ended up taking Mudkip

Me too.
But Blaizken would work incredibly well in Smash, imo.