The Forest Master Rises! Sceptile for Smash Bros! Over 100 supporters!!!

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Before the Gen 3 remakes were announced, I didn't consider Sceptile to be even a remote possibility. However, the new remakes definitely make him a relevant Pokémon again, especially if he gets a Mega evolution. Sceptile is my favorite grass Pokémon, as well as my favorite starter Pokémon ever, and one of my favorite 'mons period, so I would really love to see the lizard get in.

There is one massive problem working against Sceptile, unfortunately. Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire won't be released until November. Smash 3DS is coming out in the summer. That makes his chances very unlikely.

 

[Autumn ♫]

ALL ABOARD THE HYPE TRAIN!

Before the Gen 3 remakes were announced, I didn't consider Sceptile to be even a remote possibility. However, the new remakes definitely make him a relevant Pokémon again, especially if he gets a Mega evolution. Sceptile is my favorite grass Pokémon, as well as my favorite starter Pokémon ever, and one of my favorite 'mons period, so I would really love to see the lizard get in.

There is one massive problem working against Sceptile, unfortunately. Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire won't be released until November. Smash 3DS is coming out in the summer. That makes his chances very unlikely.

I wouldn't worry about it coming out in November too much, since Sakurai probably already knew about this since X and Y do heavily hint at a Hoenn remake.

 

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I wouldn't worry about it coming out in November too much, since Sakurai probably already knew about this since X and Y do heavily hint at a Hoenn remake.

When Brawl was released, anything that was released after the game (or even several months before the game) received zero representation in the game. Super Mario Galaxy came out five months before Brawl, and there was nothing in the game about Galaxy, not even trophies. Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are coming out several months after the 3DS version is released.

 

[Overtaken]

I think Sakurai was almost certainly told about the remakes as soon as it was given the green light for production, which could have been while they were still develloping x/y for all we know.

 

[Overtaken]

There is just no conceivable way Nintendo wasn't keeping him in the loop about other games being worked on or scheduled throughout the entire time he's been directing Smash 4. Keep those trumpets blasting friends!

 

[Sonic Poke]

Yeah, I think that some of you here believe that the game started to be develolped today... And even if it do, look back to Roy.

 

[Autumn ♫]

When Brawl was released, anything that was released after the game (or even several months before the game) received zero representation in the game. Super Mario Galaxy came out five months before Brawl, and there was nothing in the game about Galaxy, not even trophies. Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are coming out several months after the 3DS version is released.

However, generation 3 already existed so it's not like we're getting a Pokemon that hasn't existed before, like that hasn't happened before () and like Overtaken said, Sakurai probably already knew about this around the same time he heard about X and Y, due to X and Y strongly hinting at the Hoenn remake.

 

[Overtaken]

When Brawl was released, anything that was released after the game (or even several months before the game) received zero representation in the game. Super Mario Galaxy came out five months before Brawl, and there was nothing in the game about Galaxy, not even trophies. Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are coming out several months after the 3DS version is released.

I'm thinking because the material specific to galaxy was not out until too late in Brawl's development, and it was new material, he didn't think it fitting to add it into the game without knowing how well the game would be received. Or he just didn't believe the Mario series needed it for brawl at that time and wanted to save it for the next game. Who knows. But I don't believe Galaxy material wasn't in Brawl because he didn't know about it. He's the director of Nintendo's blockbuster console series to rule them all, and it's a crossover, how could he not be?

Also, . I'll just leave that there. Is Roy the only example of characters or other material being in a SSB game released or developed around the same time?

 

[IronFish]

I will get OCD problems if Sceptile isn't in with TWO fully evolved starters not THREE...

 

[Mega Bidoof]

There's one big positive, and one big negative for Sceptile.

He may be likelier due to the Hoenn remakes.

BUT would Sakurai really include him in over Jigglypuff and/or Mewtwo?


This is the big question.

 

[False Sense]

There's one big positive, and one big negative for Sceptile.

He may be likelier due to the Hoenn remakes.

BUT would Sakurai really include him in over Jigglypuff and/or Mewtwo?


This is the big question.

You might want to add Blaziken to that list.

The only reason people even consider Sceptile over the other Hoenn starters is due to his type, which may or may not mean anything to Sakurai.

 

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However, generation 3 already existed so it's not like we're getting a Pokemon that hasn't existed before

Sure, Gen 3 already came out. In 2002. Sceptile was one of 137 Gen 3 Pokémon, and not even the most popular (unfortunately).

Characters are included in Smash so that people will want to buy the game. When Pokémon reps are being selected, they are being chosen based on their popularity (Greninja was the most popular X and Y Pokémon and was therefore selected). You're not going to see just any one of the six-hundred-whatever Pokémon in the game--they have to be characters that make people want to buy Smash.

I'm not saying that Sceptile isn't a popular Pokémon. I love Sceptile. Sceptile kicks ass. But he was a starter (and not even the most popular starter) for a game that came out 11-12 years ago. It doesn't make sense for the development team to spend months designing a character before that character is even given the chance to become super popular. It would be like if they chose to include a Pokémon from a Gen 7 game before the Gen 7 games came out, based solely on the speculation about which Pokémon would make people want to buy Smash. Would Greninja have been included if X and Y had not been released yet? Of course not. His popularity would've been unproven. Yes, Sceptile already exists, but until the Gen 3 remakes are released, he does not have that massive level of popularity that Smash characters need.

I don't think Sceptile is likely to be in Smash as a playable character. However, I really love Sceptile, so count me in as a supporter nonetheless.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

You might want to add Blaziken to that list.

The only reason people even consider Sceptile over the other Hoenn starters is due to his type, which may or may not mean anything to Sakurai.

I doubt we would get another fire type over a grass type.
Especially when that fire type would probably be a Captain Falcon semi-clone.

 

[RIDLEY is too SMALL]

One other thing: We have seen all of the Pokeball Pokémon already. Gen 3 is barely represented, with only Metagross and Latias/Latios. That's some pretty solid evidence that Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are not being represented in the new Smash.

 

[IronFish]

Sure, Gen 3 already came out. In 2002. Sceptile was one of 137 Gen 3 Pokémon, and not even the most popular (unfortunately).

Characters are included in Smash so that people will want to buy the game. When Pokémon reps are being selected, they are being chosen based on their popularity (Greninja was the most popular X and Y Pokémon and was therefore selected). You're not going to see just any one of the six-hundred-whatever Pokémon in the game--they have to be characters that make people want to buy Smash.

I'm not saying that Sceptile isn't a popular Pokémon. I love Sceptile. Sceptile kicks ***. But he was a starter (and not even the most popular starter) for a game that came out 11-12 years ago. It doesn't make sense for the development team to spend months designing a character before that character is even given the chance to become super popular. It would be like if they chose to include a Pokémon from a Gen 7 game before the Gen 7 games came out, based solely on the speculation about which Pokémon would make people want to buy Smash. Would Greninja have been included if X and Y had not been released yet? Of course not. His popularity would've been unproven. Yes, Sceptile already exists, but until the Gen 3 remakes are released, he does not have that massive level of popularity that Smash characters need.

I don't think Sceptile is likely to be in Smash as a playable character. However, I really love Sceptile, so count me in as a supporter nonetheless.

Greninja wasn't poplular when he was slected, in fact he wasn't even revealed, so your argument is invalid

 

[Overtaken]

There's one big positive, and one big negative for Sceptile.

He may be likelier due to the Hoenn remakes.

BUT would Sakurai really include him in over Jigglypuff and/or Mewtwo?


This is the big question.

He'd add Sceptile in over one or the other, probably Mewtwo, if he wants to. We may have 7 pokemon too.

The only reason people even consider Sceptile over the other Hoenn starters is due to his type, which may or may not mean anything to Sakurai.

 

[Kalimdori]

One other thing: We have seen all of the Pokeball Pokémon already. Gen 3 is barely represented, with only Metagross and Latias/Latios. That's some pretty solid evidence that Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are not being represented in the new Smash.

How do we know we've seen all the Pokeball Pokemon? That hasn't been confirmed, they haven't shown all the Assist Trophies, probably haven't shown all the Pokemon either. And that's wrong regardless, we saw Kyogre and Gardevoir in the Pokemon trailer, and you forgot Deoxys.

We haven't seen Groudon yet, and there may be more.

 

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Greninja wasn't poplular when he was slected, in fact he wasn't even revealed, so your argument is invalid

What is this based on? We don't know when Greninja was selected, do we?

How do we know we've seen all the Pokeball Pokemon? That hasn't been confirmed, they haven't shown all the Assist Trophies, probably haven't shown all the Pokemon either. And that's wrong regardless, we saw Kyogre and Gardevoir in the Pokemon trailer, and you forgot Deoxys.

We haven't seen Groudon yet, and there may be more.

You're right. I missed those ones. My bad. I take back my point. (That's what I get for trusting the info on Smashpedia.)

 

[Overtaken]

One other thing: We have seen all of the Pokeball Pokémon already. Gen 3 is barely represented, with only Metagross and Latias/Latios. That's some pretty solid evidence that Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are not being represented in the new Smash.

What makes you so confident that was supposed to be all of them? And even if it were, Metagross, Latios, and Latias are still representing generation three. I don't think he feels the need to dedicate a whole load of extras to a specific generation just because he's giving them a rep in the roster. I'm assuming when he picks the pokeball pokemon in particular, he's just going based on which pokemon are popular or notable without any regard to their generation, besides a very minimal 'quota' perhaps for each one.

 

[Autumn ♫]

Sure, Gen 3 already came out. In 2002. Sceptile was one of 137 Gen 3 Pokémon, and not even the most popular (unfortunately).

Characters are included in Smash so that people will want to buy the game. When Pokémon reps are being selected, they are being chosen based on their popularity (Greninja was the most popular X and Y Pokémon and was therefore selected). You're not going to see just any one of the six-hundred-whatever Pokémon in the game--they have to be characters that make people want to buy Smash.

I'm not saying that Sceptile isn't a popular Pokémon. I love Sceptile. Sceptile kicks ***. But he was a starter (and not even the most popular starter) for a game that came out 11-12 years ago. It doesn't make sense for the development team to spend months designing a character before that character is even given the chance to become super popular. It would be like if they chose to include a Pokémon from a Gen 7 game before the Gen 7 games came out, based solely on the speculation about which Pokémon would make people want to buy Smash. Would Greninja have been included if X and Y had not been released yet? Of course not. His popularity would've been unproven. Yes, Sceptile already exists, but until the Gen 3 remakes are released, he does not have that massive level of popularity that Smash characters need.

I don't think Sceptile is likely to be in Smash as a playable character. However, I really love Sceptile, so count me in as a supporter nonetheless.

My point was that Sceptile has already been in different games, meaning he wouldn't be another Roy case.

With the popularity, they kind of did that with Greninja, as no Generation 6 Pokemon was really popular when Greninja was probably added to the game, because we didn't know anything about him.

 

[False Sense]

He'd add Sceptile in over one or the other, probably Mewtwo, if he wants to. We may have 7 pokemon too.

But that was part of a set. Those characters were purposefully tied together through the concept of the Pokemon Trainer. Now that he's gone, there's nothing really holding that pattern in place.

 

[IronFish]

What is this based on? We don't know when Greninja was selected, do we?

very likely early into development, as the fighters are arguable the most important part of the game, so they would be made first, and also likely Sm4sh started development before X/Y was even announced in January 2013.

 

[Overtaken]

What is this based on? We don't know when Greninja was selected, do we?

He was never even revealed before the release, even the leak that showed the starters final evos was just a few weeks before game came out, which was Oct. 12. There is no way Sakurai added Greninja in Oct or later.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

Well mewtwo is still 80% chnace of resurrecting but 6 or 7 is even more likely woth this so.....


Count me in on this for support of sceptile in smash bros 4 i want a pokemon more significant than ivysaur (not as good as bulba/venasaur but i would still rather have sceptile)

 

[Hammer B]

It seems that artists didn't ignore this news, and here's a profit of that...

Art by FutureDiarist

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

There's one big positive, and one big negative for Sceptile.

He may be likelier due to the Hoenn remakes.

BUT would Sakurai really include him in over Jigglypuff and/or Mewtwo?


This is the big question.

Uh about that because of these new games i think 6 reps is 90% now (it was 70% before this i think sakurai is replacing squirtle and ivysaur with different pokemon) and 7 is 40% shot now

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Uh about that because of these new games i think 6 reps is 90% now (it was 70% before this i think sakurai is replacing squirtle and ivysaur with different pokemon) and 7 is 40% shot now

So what? Ever since Greninja was revealed, I assumed it would be 6.
Those 6 being Pikachu, Charizard, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Lucario, and Greninja.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

So what? Ever since Greninja was revealed, I assumed it would be 6.
Those 6 being Pikachu, Charizard, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Lucario, and Greninja.

Because now theres a possiblity that 7 poke reps is on the board now (1 more pokemon than brawl)

But this came to my head all because of the remake of ruby and sapphire

 

[Autumn ♫]

I'm honestly seeing Pikachu, Mewtwo, Charizard, Sceptile, Lucario, and Greninja as our Pokemon characters now.

 

[Frontiers]

I hope there's six reps for pokemon and maybe no jigglypuff

 

[IronFish]

I think there will be six pokemon reps and one of them won't be Mewtwo...

 

[Autumn ♫]

I think there will be six pokemon reps and one of them won't be Mewtwo...

Why?

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Well, good on the Mewtwo fans, but I don't see a pressing reason why he's overwhelmingly likely to return. I'd say he has better chances than Sceptile but that fifth slot could go to anyone.

And I'm still crossing my fingers for a Jigglypuff cut

Blaziken is also more likely competition for any Gen 3 Smash slot. More popularity, a Mega Evolution and he was offered through spotpass to anyone who bought the game for the first couple of months. I would be happier with a FWG Charizard-Greninja-Sceptile set, rounded out with Lucario, Pikachu and (sigh) Jigglypuff or Mewtwo.

 

[Cpt.]

Well, good on the Mewtwo fans, but I don't see a pressing reason why he's overwhelmingly likely to return. I'd say he has better chances than Sceptile but that fifth slot could go to anyone.

And I'm still crossing my fingers for a Jigglypuff cut

Blaziken is also more likely competition for any Gen 3 Smash slot. More popularity, a Mega Evolution and he was offered through spotpass to anyone who bought the game for the first couple of months. I would be happier with a FWG Charizard-Greninja-Sceptile set, rounded out with Lucario, Pikachu and (sigh) Jigglypuff or Mewtwo.

You know if Puff is cut for Sceptile I might actually be mad.....but probly not

 

[SchAlternate]

I feel that, if Sceptile is indeed in, there'll be 7 Pokemon reps.

I would've wished they were 8, but sadly Meowth didn't make the cut.

Unless we get Genesect...

Nah, I think 7 is enough, wouldn't you agree?

 

[IronFish]

Why?

I think if he would continue to be a smasher he would be in brawl, that and if there were 6 Pokemon reps than one of them would be Sceptile in my opinion

 

[Autumn ♫]

I think if he would continue to be a smasher he would be in brawl, that and if there were 6 Pokemon reps than one of them would be Sceptile in my opinion

He was going to be in Brawl, until Sonic happened.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Jigglypuff is not being cut.

Not because she is important.
Not because she is iconic.

Because she is in the original 12.
That may b he only reason, but it is a gigantic reason.

 

[Banjodorf]

I think if he would continue to be a smasher he would be in brawl, that and if there were 6 Pokemon reps than one of them would be Sceptile in my opinion

If we're being honest, I don't see what makes people think Sceptile is likely in any way. You can't tell me it's logical, and you can't tell me it makes sense, other than "Grass starter to go with Fire/Water." Sceptile is a blade user, like Greninja is in Smash, and to say that Sceptile > Mewtwo in terms of Pokemon importance is simply not even the case. It's foolish to think that.

Do I think Sceptile would be cool, and is he likely based on Gamefreak's past trends as a DLC character if he gets alot of attention for OR/AS and DLC even exists/works that way for Smash 4. Yes/Maybe.

Besides that, Mewtwo was planned for Brawl, but discarding that because the circumstances are unknown, almost no Pokemon (barring Pikachu) is as important or spotlighted as Mewtwo is right now. If we get six Pokemon, and still have Jigglypuff, it's him, and not Sceptile.

I get that it's a cool idea people, but don't get lost in the forest and confuse your facts.

 

[D3monicWolv3s]

I guess he's not completely impossible now... but I still don't think its going to happen.
I'm curious if we're getting a Hoenn stage.