The First Party general support thread

[Sysreq]

I have always wanted a fighter sized Master Hand as a fighter. Maybe make him float around like Mewtwo, but still be locked to the ground like everyone else. Less, Master Hand, and more Mister Hand. Though, I dont know if that counts, it would be a neat, weird DLC character.

Rrrready to rumble

 

[fogbadge]

At this point, MOST of my top picks for newcomers are 1st party.

It's not that I don't want to see anymore 3rd party. There are a lot of good characters that are 3rd part who I'd love to see get in the game.

It's just that ...

Mike Jones
Ayumi Tachibana
Mach Rider
The Amazon
Ganon
Toad
Impa
Pious Augustus

Rank higher than any third party I could think of.

Also, high on my list of wants for first party would be ...

Wart
Mouser
Henry Flemming
King Hippo
Eggplant Wizard
Pauline
Urban Champion
Donkey Kong Jr.
Tatanga

Mostly retros really.

who is the amazon?

 

[Oddball]

He's from the NES game Pro-Wrestling.

Think "Creature from the Black Lagoon in wrestling trunks".

 

[fogbadge]

He's from the NES game Pro-Wrestling.

Think "Creature from the Black Lagoon in wrestling trunks".

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well hed certainly stand out in the roster

 

[Door Key Pig]

I mean, having this big, special once in a lifetime gathering of a roster and then being told "oh just wait for the next game for this character's chance" mustn't be great, but to be fair, you're not gonna please everyone, and I understand if a lot of the significantly less important/demanded characters the make up some of these large lists are passed over (like Fiora and King Boo level, I mean). I personally just want Rhythm Paradise as the next new Nintendo fighter universe to be added to the game, with some characters having notable importance to others too like Dixie Kong and Isaac. Here's hoping if there's only a few first parties left that they all really count in terms of fan demand.

I think the fact that the KO depends on Popo and not her makes them not any better than Banjo Kazooie.

Except half of the costumes for the Climbers switch their positions sooooooooooooooo

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I mean, having this big, special once in a lifetime gathering of a roster and then being told "oh just wait for the next game for this character's chance" mustn't be great, but to be fair, you're not gonna please everyone, and I understand if a lot of the significantly less important/demanded characters the make up some of these large lists are passed over (like Fiora and King Boo level, I mean). I personally just want Rhythm Paradise as the next new Nintendo fighter universe to be added to the game, with some characters having notable importance to others too like Dixie Kong and Isaac. Here's hoping if there's only a few first parties left that they all really count in terms of fan demand.

Except half of the costumes for the Climbers switch their positions sooooooooooooooo

But not the default one.


And the default one is all that matters in most cases.

 

[GoodGrief741]

But not the default one.


And the default one is all that matters in most cases.

Counterpoint: Corrin's default is clearly the least important Corrin.

 

[Deleted member]

Hey everyone, check out this Classic Mode route I made for Decidueye. I know his chances is as dead as his secondary typing but so is this obnoxious topic that some people just cant let go. Nana and Kazooie arent as important as Peach or Samus, move on already.

But anyways!

1. Crabominable ( giant ) at Tortimer Island

2. Lycanroc ( ) at either the Reset Bomb Forest or Gaur Plains

3. Alolan Persian ( ) at Delfino Plaza

4. Mudsdale ( ) at Gerudo Desert

5. Marx ( referencing Ultra Beasts and space )

6. Primarina and Silvally ( and either or ) at the Unova Pokemon League.

Final battle: at Pokemon Stadium.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Counterpoint: Corrin's default is clearly the least important Corrin.

Most cases. Even then some would argue that being on the default portrait on the menu select is most important. Corrin’s a little weird because female Corrin is one of the few to get both an Amiibo and to be on the classic menu screen. But most alts don’t get that luxury. (Alph, Female Pokemon Trainer, etc.)

 

[GoodGrief741]

Most cases. Even then some would argue that being on the default portrait on the menu select is most important. Corrin’s a little weird because female Corrin is one of the few to get both an Amiibo and to be on the classic menu screen. But most alts don’t get that luxury. (Alph, Female Pokemon Trainer, etc.)

Alph needs to be an Echo, pronto. Poor lad has so much potential and he gets relegated to unblinking skin for Olimar, such a shame.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Alph needs to be an Echo, pronto. Poor lad has so much potential and he gets relegated to unblinking skin for Olimar, such a shame.

They should also add the rest of the Pikmin Protagonists as alts, considering there are literally no gameplay differences and it’s literally just a model swap. Louie for Olimar, Brittany and Charlie for Alph.
Would be just like the Koopalings.

 

[fogbadge]

They should also add the rest of the Pikmin Protagonists as alts, considering there are literally no gameplay differences and it’s literally just a model swap. Louie for Olimar, Brittany and Charlie for Alph.

id love to see that though id have the president for olimar as well

 

[BZocky]

I’d like Captain Syrup to be a playable fighter in Smash

 

[Sebas22]

This is 100% impossible, but how about:
- Olimar/The President
- Alph/Brittany/Charlie (Olimar's Echo)
- Louie on top of a mini Titan Dweevil (similar to Bowser Jr. and the Koopa Clown Car)

 

[fogbadge]

This is 100% impossible, but how about:
- Olimar/The President
- Alph/Brittany/Charlie (Olimar's Echo)
- Louie on top of a mini Titan Dweevil (similar to Bowser Jr. and the Koopa Clown Car)

well the more pikmin characters the better i think

 

[Morgana J. Cat]

You know, call me crazy but I think Nintendo could really use more of their old school forgotten characters from the NES era, like say, Balloon Fighter, Mach Rider, Bubbles, Urban Champion...

I know we already have Ice Climbers, Duck Hunt Duo and Pit (who even got his series revived), but alot of these fellas, like the ones I mentioned, are so cool and memorable, and could really make for some interesting and unique fighters.

Plus, it'd be an amazing way to see those characters making a comeback. I always appreciated how faithful Smash was to Nintendo's classic properties, and I don't want it to stop being like that. It's quite a shame we didn't get any Retro guy this time. If I could choose one, I'd go with Bubbles from Clu clu Land.

 

[SAMation]

I think that, as the roster is right now, there's still a few characters we'd need for every 1st party franchise to feel fully represented. Most do feel properly represented as is now, but here's a few characters i'd say are the most crucial ones that we're missing (list mostly in order of my opinion of importance):

1) Bandana Dee. Kirby games have shown for a while now that the main 4 characters are Kirby, Meta Knight, Dedede, and Bandana Dee. It's become a staple to the franchise at this point that if there's multiplayer, you will see those 4 characters in every game. So as it stands, the roster for Kirby feels like it's really missing that one more character to round it out. Honestly, any character added after to Kirby's representation would just be a bonus.

2) Dixie Kong. Same reasons as I feel with Bandana Dee, as Dixie Kong is a series regular and you're always assured to find her in recent DK games if multiplayer is a function. Sure you could make an argument for Cranky being missing too, but most people when they think of DK they think of the main trio of kongs that have been around for decades: Donkey, Diddy, and Dixie. With K Rool in as well, it would really make the DK series feel totally completed in smash.

3) Waluigi. Please don't kill me for this, but I think even for as big as the Mario series is represented, it'd feel really complete if Waluigi was in. I wouldn't necessarily say this if not for Daisy being in the game, as I feel if you have a game with Daisy in it to partner with Peach, you should have Waluigi in to partner with Wario. Sure, the only other character to rep for Mario that's a huge reoccuring character would be Toad, but I can atleast forgive Toad's absence with Peach's and Daisy's counters. Waluigi would really just make the Mario series feel complete in the world of Smash.


These 3 characters I would say have the highest importance to me as 1st party characters with series already represented. There are just a couple more that, while they may have series with good representation, could really help represent their series better than it is as of right now:


4) A Legend of Zelda Rep that doesn't hold the triforce. I would be fine with any character really. Skull Kid, Tingle, Urbosa, etc. It's just that the legend of zelda has so much more to offer from the series than just Link, Zelda, and Ganon, that I feel just one character that isn't one of those 3 would really better help the series representation in showing that there's more to it than just the triforce.

5) Ninten. With the 3 Mother games with 3 distinct protags each, it's always felt a bit off to me that we have Ness and Lucas to represent Mother 2 and 3 respectively, but nothing to rep that first game. An echo for Ness would be completely fine for me, and with how little time they'd need to develop the character, it would really just make that nice 1 2 3 representation feel great.


Honorable mentions would be Octoling, Geno, King Hippo, and a WarioWare rep. Octoling makes sense for Splatoon's crazy popularity, an echo would be just fine for that. Geno would be great as a highly requested character to match with Banjo, K Rool, and Ridley, although technically he IS a 3rd party character. King Hippo I feel is an iconic Nintendo character, and having that extra perspective to Punch Out would be nice. WarioWare rep I'd love to see because as it stands I don't feel Wario really represents Wario Ware as a series as much as it just does Wario as a character, so I think a character like Jimmy T, Mona, or Ashley would suffice to help that!


Finally, as far as other series why I didn't mention them, here's just a quick explanation for each: Metroid I feel we have just the right representation this game, feels great as it is. Yoshi I suppose you COULD throw in Poochy, but aside from that the Yoshi series is already super closely entangled with the Mario series with just how much shared the characters and world is. Star Fox I think feels great as it is, not sure what more different you could get with characters like Peppy or Slippy, and Krystal would just serve as a nice fan-requested addition than a fitting completion to the series. Pokemon is popular and has a ton of rep to support that, F-Zero can be summed up with Captain Falcon nicely, and no other character has as much memorability and recognition from the series as him, Retro characters are fine at one rep per series, Kid Icarus has a good amount of representation and maybe COULD have Medusa to make it feel complete (but personally I think it's complete as is), Olimar perfectly represents Pikmin as a character and anything added on would just serve as a nice cherry on top echo to him, Animal Crossing is good with the two it has now, Wii Fit, Miis, and finally Xenoblade i think could add Rex / Pyra for a good amount of representation.



For one last note, I will say personally I would love to see Golden Sun, Rhythm Heaven, and Arms represented in the future. Those to me are really the "biggest" Nintendo franchises that still have yet to be represented. Quotes on "biggest" because they'd be biggest in relation to what's yet to be rep'd as a character in the game.

Again, these are all just my own opinions, but at the end of the day I feel the Top 3-5 on my list would be perfect to make the roster feel even more complete than it does now.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

You know, call me crazy but I think Nintendo could really use more of their old school forgotten characters from the NES era, like say, Balloon Fighter, Mach Rider, Bubbles, Urban Champion...

I know we already have Ice Climbers, Duck Hunt Duo and Pit (who even got his series revived), but alot of these fellas, like the ones I mentioned, are so cool and memorable, and could really make for some interesting and unique fighters.

Plus, it'd be an amazing way to see those characters making a comeback. I always appreciated how faithful Smash was to Nintendo's classic properties, and I don't want it to stop being like that. It's quite a shame we didn't get any Retro guy this time. If I could choose one, I'd go with Bubbles from Clu clu Land.

Would absolutely love to see some of those old school characters join Ice Climbers and Duck Hunt. I've always been an advocate for someone from Pro Wrestling to get it, though with Inciniroar filling that wrestler niche, i'd certainly take Mach Rider or Balloon Fighter or even the Ice Hockey players in the game.

 

[Morgana J. Cat]

Would absolutely love to see some of those old school characters join Ice Climbers and Duck Hunt. I've always been an advocate for someone from Pro Wrestling to get it, though with Inciniroar filling that wrestler niche, i'd certainly take Mach Rider or Balloon Fighter or even the Ice Hockey players in the game.

Yeah! I always wondered why there were no Pro Wrestling trophies/spirits, considering how memorable and unique some of its fighters, like Amazon and Starman, were. Because of that, I think those characters are the most unlikely from the retro category, sadly. But I honestly don't think Incineroar is any harmful to their chances, given that we have many characters with the same kind of role (swordfighters for example).

 

[Door Key Pig]

Hey everyone, check out this Classic Mode route I made for Decidueye. I know his chances is as dead as his secondary typing but so is this obnoxious topic that some people just cant let go. Nana and Kazooie arent as important as Peach or Samus, move on already.

But anyways!

By being an alt character, Nana's at least as important as Female Robin or Villager, that much is empirical.
EDIT: Also, what new Nintendo franchise for a fighter, the next Nintendo universe to be given a fighter, would y'all say is likely to be next in line?

 

[Deleted member]

By being an alt character, Nana's at least as important as Female Robin or Villager, that much is empirical.

Good for you.

 

[Sebas22]

By being an alt character, Nana's at least as important as Female Robin or Villager, that much is empirical.
EDIT: Also, what new Nintendo franchise for a fighter, the next Nintendo universe to be given a fighter, would y'all say is likely to be next in line?

Spoiler

Actually, Nana is less important than Female Robin, but still higher than Wedding Mario.

Now, about the main question: If we're speaking about NEW Nintendo franchises, I think maybe an ARMS character could show up. I mean, not all characters are spirits, and Spring Man it's kinda the mascot, but not really. If we're speaking about any Nintendo franchise that's not in yet, I have no idea.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Spoiler

Actually, Nana is less important than Female Robin, but still higher than Wedding Mario.

Now, about the main question: If we're speaking about NEW Nintendo franchises, I think maybe an ARMS character could show up. I mean, not all characters are spirits, and Spring Man it's kinda the mascot, but not really. If we're speaking about any Nintendo franchise that's not in yet, I have no idea.

I think Spring Man and Ribbon Girl would get in together since they are promoted as the co-mascots, similarly to how Inkling Girl and Boy are promoted together all the time compared to other alts (Inkling Boy being one of the only alts to be in a WOL cutscene and to be revealed at the same time as the default in the trailer).

 

[Sebas22]

I think Spring Man and Ribbon Girl would get in together since they are promoted as the co-mascots, similarly to how Inkling Girl and Boy are promoted together all the time compared to other alts (Inkling Boy being one of the only alts to be in a WOL cutscene and revealed at the same time as the default in the trailer).

I can see what you're saying happening in the next Smash, but in Ultimate, is not as easy. Spring Man is an Assist Trophy/Mii Costume, and Ribbon Girl is a Mii Costume. Maaaaaaaaybe we can get Ribbon Girl in this game, but Spring Man chances are really low. If Nintendo/Sakurai decides to upgrade an Assist Trophy, everybody knows who's getting that promotion.

 

[Quillion]

ARMS is still too new anyway, and there's no way of knowing if the franchise will even last past its first installment. All indications point it to being just another one-shot IP.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Also, what new Nintendo franchise for a fighter, the next Nintendo universe to be given a fighter, would y'all say is likely to be next in line?

Either ARMS/Astral Chain, as new, exciting and successful franchises, Golden Sun due to the demand for Isaac, or Rhythm Heaven because of its sheer size, continued relevance and the fact that a rep was planned.

 

[Deleted member]

I hope the future DLC includes some first-party in what form I have no idea. But I do hope we see some. Who I'd like to see. I'm going off Geno being 3rd party otherwise he'd be right up there as number #1 so that said.
1. Decidueye/Lycanroc (I'd be happy if ether got in so I just put them together.)
2. Bandana Dee
3. Isaac
4. Mach Rider
5. Skull Kid
6. Edlegard
7. Dixie Kong
8. Waluigi
9. Ashley
10. Krystal

 

[GoodGrief741]

I hope the future DLC includes some first-party in what form I have no idea. But I do hope we see some. Who I'd like to see. I'm going off Geno being 3rd party otherwise he'd be right up there as number #1 so that said.
1. Decidueye/Lycanroc (I'd be happy if ether got in so I just put them together.)
2. Bandana Dee
3. Isaac
4. Jibanyan
5. Skull Kid
6. Edlegard
7. Dixie Kong
8. Waluigi
9. Ashley
10. Krystal

Jibanyan is third party.

 

[Quillion]

Either ARMS/Astral Chain, as new, exciting and successful franchises, Golden Sun due to the demand for Isaac, or Rhythm Heaven because of its sheer size, continued relevance and the fact that a rep was planned.

ARMS and Astral Chain need to have more than one game and/or be at least last gen first. Jumping the gun on characters has never been good for Smash imo.

 

[fogbadge]

ARMS and Astral Chain need to have more than one game and/or be at least last gen first. Jumping the gun on characters has never been good for Smash imo.

well their reasonable success and popularity may be all it takes

also im curious which characters in the game already do you see as jumping the gun?

 

[Sebas22]

Either ARMS/Astral Chain, as new, exciting and successful franchises, Golden Sun due to the demand for Isaac, or Rhythm Heaven because of its sheer size, continued relevance and the fact that a rep was planned.

I know a lot of people were sad that no Golden Sun rep was added in Ultimate, and yeah that sucks. But the absence of a Rhythm Heaven rep is an absolute crime.

 

[TheTuninator]

IMO, the biggest crime is the lack of a Wars rep, or at least a stage. Wars is over 30 years old (older than Fire Emblem!) and has something like 12+ games, with continuous releases for 20 of those 30 years, but it hasn't even gotten a stage or a single music track in Smash. I don't think there's any other first-party series that's of a similar age and size that's been so neglected at this stage. Sadly, that doesn't seem set to change any time soon, since the series has been dead for years and hasn't been played in Japan at all in ages.

 

[fogbadge]

IMO, the biggest crime is the lack of a Wars rep, or at least a stage. Wars is over 30 years old (older than Fire Emblem!) and has something like 12+ games, with continuous releases for 20 of those 30 years, but it hasn't even gotten a stage or a single music track in Smash. I don't think there's any other first-party series that's of a similar age and size that's been so neglected at this stage. Sadly, that doesn't seem set to change any time soon, since the series has been dead for years and hasn't been played in Japan at all in ages.

i may not be a fan of the series but i agree, youd think a series as large as that would have been in smash by now, but the series dormancy is probably whats keeping it out now but around the time of brawl it would have made a lot of sense

 

[TheTuninator]

i may not be a fan of the series but i agree, youd think a series as large as that would have been in smash by now, but the series dormancy is probably whats keeping it out now but around the time of brawl it would have made a lot of sense

Absolutely. While its time is largely past, it could still make a main roster in any Smash game, but I just don't see any way to justify an AW rep as DLC, sadly. I'd be ecstatic if it happened, but from a business point of view it just doesn't make sense.

 

[zipzapsparkle]

I only want four:

Pauline
Dixie Kong
Edelgard
Medusa

Pauline is my most wanted though

 

[Quillion]

also im curious which characters in the game already do you see as jumping the gun?

Robin, Roy, Corrin, Greninja, and Incineroar mainly.

Lucina and Dark Pit at least get by on being echoes.

 

[3DSNinja]

In terms of jumping the gun, Plant, Corrin, Lucina, and Wii Fit.

 

[Sysreq]

In terms of jumping the gun, Plant, Corrin, Lucina, and Wii Fit.

How Wii Fit?? It was one of the best selling games on the Wii, selling over 22 million copies and was released in 2007.

 

[fogbadge]

Absolutely. While its time is largely past, it could still make a main roster in any Smash game, but I just don't see any way to justify an AW rep as DLC, sadly. I'd be ecstatic if it happened, but from a business point of view it just doesn't make sense.

i think we all have characters like that, hence why we endeavour the spread the word about them in hopes of increasing their popularity and chances

Robin, Roy, Corrin, Greninja, and Incineroar mainly.

Lucina and Dark Pit at least get by on being echoes.

yeah i can see that, though we all know why pitto is in the game

In terms of jumping the gun, Plant, Corrin, Lucina, and Wii Fit.

there was a time when wii fit had out sold zelda (not sure if its still true)

 

[GoodGrief741]

The only characters I'd say are jumping the gun are Corrin, Incineroar and Piranha Plant, because I don't think they have any merit to justify their being in Smash. (Also I think the latter two have dreadful movesets, but that's not the main reason)