The Falcon Match-Up Index

[teluoborg]

And how did Marth get up here ? He has no safe way up.
If he wants to get to the "ready to FF Fair" height he has to mix it up.

So read the mixup, punish it.
If you can't punish it then why would you stand there and wait for the **** ?
Buffer a dash from whatever you were doing, gtfo and come back later.


Don't get me wrong, I believe the matchup is still in Marth's Favor. Just not at a 7-3 level.

 

[Player-3]

blarhgghahghrhgh

 

[Ramzeh]

Well people have this constant perception that knowing the matchup is all that's needed in order to win a match..

Americans in general have this mentality.

blarhgghahghrhgh

what he said

 

[DarkRaptor]

I gotta get back into Brawl.

 

[zeldasmash]

25:75
35:65
40:60
30:70
45:55
30:70
28:72
30:70
35:65
40:60
40:60
35:65
40:60
40:60
35:65
35:65
40:60
35:65
45:55
45:55
40:60
38:62
50:50
50:50
35:65
45:55
40:60
30:70
50:50
48:52
40:60
45:55
40:60
50:50
40:60
55:45
45:55
40:60
60:40

 

[Yung Mei]

pikachu is 35:65?

surely you cant be serious

 

[zeldasmash]

30:70 than?

 

[Yung Mei]

i thought it was like 20:80, chaingrab to 10,000,000% then thunder/usmash/dsmash spam

 

[Psychoace]

Peach ***** us, Dk ***** us, I don't believe Ike to be 50/50, Fighting squirtle is easier than people think I would say 40/60

 

[Ramzeh]

25:75
35:65
40:60
30:70
45:55
30:70
28:72
30:70
35:65
40:60
40:60
35:65
40:60
40:60
35:65
35:65
40:60
35:65
45:55
45:55
40:60
38:62
50:50
50:50
35:65
45:55
40:60
30:70
50:50
48:52
40:60
45:55
40:60
50:50
40:60
55:45
45:55
40:60
60:40

lmao gtfo please

 

[-LzR-]

Puff beats Falcon like very slightly.

 

[smashkng]

25:75
35:65
40:60
30:70
45:55
30:70
28:72
30:70
35:65
40:60
40:60
35:65
40:60
40:60
35:65
35:65
40:60
35:65
45:55
45:55
40:60
38:62
50:50
50:50
35:65
45:55
40:60
30:70
50:50
48:52
40:60
45:55
40:60
50:50
40:60
55:45
45:55
40:60
60:40

Worst MU accuracy ever. So many insanely underrated or overrated MU ratios. Like how is the Zelda MU as bad as 40/60 (which is only if you play super aggro which you shouldn't when Zelda's approach is terrible) or the Pikachu MU only 35/65? And does Falcon really lose to Link when Falcon has a such easy time gimping Link while Link can't really gimp Falcon?

 

[Jebu-95]

Is the DDD, DK and Diddy MU really that even? >__>

 

[Yung Mei]

no those are troll matchups

check the op

 

[Chsal]

Like how is the Zelda MU as bad as 40/60

some crappy MU ratios

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Lol.

But agreed its not that bad.

 

[lordhelmet]

What the ****?

 

[teluoborg]

Why so srs about someone that mains Link AND is from puerto rico ? Get trolled guys.

 

[Darxmarth23]

**** the ratio

just know its a disadvantage and why

 

[Inova~]

**** the ratio

just know its a disadvantage and why

well said.

 

[zeldasmash]

How nice. Insulted by matchup ratios can nobody understand "opinion" here !?

 

[smashkng]

How nice. Insulted by matchup ratios can nobody understand "opinion" here !?

Nope cause you obviously haven't played good mains of each of those chars or know the MU well enough. Many are way too far from the accurate one.

 

[teluoborg]

Plus ratios suck and have no value if they're not backed up with data.

 

[Chsal]

How nice. Insulted by matchup ratios can nobody understand "opinion" here !?

You ARE in the Falcon boards you know...

 

[Darxmarth23]

The ratio is just a simplistic representation of the match up.
All match up have a certain level of complexity. When you know exactly how complex they are, its difficult to put a number to it.

Forget the ratios. As long as the information, the guidance, is accurate, then the ratio doesn't matter.

 

[Yung Mei]

Darx for his own tier

 

[Haze~]

The ratio is just a simplistic representation of the match up.
All match up have a certain level of complexity. When you know exactly how complex they are, its difficult to put a number to it.

Forget the ratios. As long as the information, the guidance, is accurate, then the ratio doesn't matter.

People like this make me come to the boards really ^^


He also has got a pic of 2pac so im gonna assume he is alright.


Falcon wins his bad matchups when he punishes their mistakes, not by shuting them out of options, this makes me wonder, will falcon get worse in the future of brawl ? XD

balls -_-

 

[BigLord]

He will get worse if people start taking Falcon seriously.

We're cool. Cpt. Falcon is almost a joke character in Brawl

(still, he's a LETHAL joke character if you use him right)

 

[lordhelmet]

I'm not sure...

I do believe we can get ahead of Lucas and Mario in the near future. I don't really think we can get abused as badly as a lot of other low tiers can. We HAVE options.

I've been having a lot of fun lately practicing ATs. Platform cancelling, sliding jabs/grabs/mock moonwalking/Fhanfus Loop stuff.

Falcon still has untapped potential, yet.

 

[PZ]

I'm not sure...

I do believe we can get ahead of Lucas and Mario in the near future. I don't really think we can get abused as badly as a lot of other low tiers can. We HAVE options.

I've been having a lot of fun lately practicing ATs. Platform cancelling, sliding jabs/grabs/mock moonwalking/Fhanfus Loop stuff.

Falcon still has untapped potential, yet.

mock moonwalking?

Btw no character in any game can get better or worser its more on the person or thing that plays the character. Like you put a cpu against a cpu you can't guess the out come just on the character most of the time.

Although some mus are so bad that I can see why anyone would think that but unless rules change or things just get unavoidable every1 got a chance. Of course a player knowing the character he or she is facing is by far the most important thing ever. The game is more on patience, reading, reaction(very small but its there) and movement.

I post that cuz im stupid but this is serious business.

 

[Yung Mei]

I'm not sure...

I do believe we can get ahead of Lucas and Mario in the near future. I don't really think we can get abused as badly as a lot of other low tiers can. We HAVE options.

I've been having a lot of fun lately practicing ATs. Platform cancelling, sliding jabs/grabs/mock moonwalking/Fhanfus Loop stuff.

Falcon still has untapped potential, yet.

wat .

 

[Haze~]

I'm not sure...

I do believe we can get ahead of Lucas and Mario in the near future. I don't really think we can get abused as badly as a lot of other low tiers can. We HAVE options.

I've been having a lot of fun lately practicing ATs. Platform cancelling, sliding jabs/grabs/mock moonwalking/Fhanfus Loop stuff.

Falcon still has untapped potential, yet.

Could you make a video for this? Just saying, it would be cool

Ive been missing out on the moonwalking and huh sliding jab? sounds fun

After seeing how flawless Ninjalink outplayed Lains Ics with Lucas and seeing the character

Vs Mks Snakes etc im gonna say hes better than falcon.


Falcon is as good as Mario imo though, Mario may be slightly better atm, lets see what we can work out with Falcon

So make dat video! Every detail counts

 

[lordhelmet]

It's all known. I was considering making a vid since I have a lot of shenanigans like that recorded already.

None of it is overly useful... but once mastered, all these little tricks could really mixup your game enough to pull out some more wins.

Edit: I thought that was what it was called lol, lemme get a vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlFS2bKTjTI&feature=watch_response_rev#t=10m24s

 

[Haze~]

mock moonwalking?

Btw no character in any game can get better or worser its more on the person or thing that plays the character. Like you put a cpu against a cpu you can't guess the out come just on the character most of the time.

Although some mus are so bad that I can see why anyone would think that but unless rules change or things just get unavoidable every1 got a chance. Of course a player knowing the character he or she is facing is by far the most important thing ever. The game is more on patience, reading, reaction(very small but its there) and movement.

I post that cuz im stupid but this is serious business.

Lets say you and i play the mk vs Falcon matchup , you being falcon while you know the matchup and i don't:

This would probably be preetty even, but when a year or so goes by i have learned the matchup, your, mindgames and gimmicks, ive learned the falcon matchup now and there is almost zero chance you will beat me.


Imagine this but 5 years later, all i can say is lol,

Falcon is now useless unless during this time we find some assaving tec to use vs hightiers


I know this isnt much proof because there is none, vice verca works too but to play the matchup just a little wrong as we did from day one is still not playing the matchup right
and that means the statement is invalid.

It hurts me to think like this cause im a falconmainer but it is what it is, options in this game will be used was more effective and those with fewer options will suffer from it more and more as time goes by.


Man i am bored, writing this useless **** just to prove a(which everyone knows about) point, well its 5 am here goodnight.

 

[Haze~]

It's all known. I was considering making a vid since I have a lot of shenanigans like that recorded already.

None of it is overly useful... but once mastered, all these little tricks could really mixup your game enough to pull out some more wins.

Edit: I thought that was what it was called lol, lemme get a vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VlFS2bKTjTI&feature=watch_response_rev#t=10m24s

Yeah Fire always moonwalks(or whatever he does) when we play lol

 

[Yung Mei]

isnt slidin jabs just Wavelanded Raptor Boost to jab?

 

[lordhelmet]

isnt slidin jabs just Wavelanded Raptor Boost to jab?

No but similar idea.

I thought there was a thread on it somewhere :/

 

[Yung Mei]

the fffffffffffuuuuuuuuuu

why you hiding these things from us lordy D:

 

[teluoborg]

Falcon would level up if people focused on zoning instead of ATs, pretty much like every character in Brawl.

The only Ats Falcon needs are the ones that enhance his survivability and mobility.

 

[Yung Mei]

i only want to know them to be flashy as **** in lowtiers LOL

 

[PZ]

@Haze You can actually know all the mindgames or gimmicks in this game? Perfect shield<dtaunt for style points. I guess your right but because your right it also means atm no1 knows much of anything about falcon. I wanna see your falcon dude ally's is boring. I seee so much dsmash in the best falcon it confuses for others to say it is bad.O_o

Btw Run<pivot<jab=sliding jabs same can be done with taunts. Its messed up how diddy can do this alot better. He can use jabs, dtilts, dsmashes, and taunts.