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Without Dr. Mario, the Puyo Puyo Puzzle Series would of never been made. It was really Compile's answer to Dr. Mario since Sega didn't own the rights to the series when it was first created only starting in the early 2000s.
Yup, which is why I feel Lip should be brought back into relevance before anything else. Lip and Arle deserve to be on equal ground imo, it’s just not fair if one is hitting the big time while the other is laying dormant. Even if the case here was the other way around (Lip being famous, Arle being unknown) I would still feel this way, and support the one in need.
All this comparing is just making me want a crossover between Puyo Puyo and Panel de Pon even more. Mashing the games up into a single thing like Puyo Puyo Tetris Fusion Mode would probably be an exercise in madness, though.
No... just, no.Lip should get redesigned for greater appeal.
It's either that or Captain Rainbow's Lip.
Every classic character gets a redesign and Lip has to get one eventually. That's why she got one in Captain Rainbow.
...or another, different redesign. That’s... the most likely outcome.
Every classic character you say? So, how about the Ice Climber? Duck Hunt? They were given a tame modern overhaul to make them fit better with the graphically more powerful hardware, but not something I'd call a redesign. Keep in mind, those are old NES characters with nothing to go on, but a small sprite and crude box artwork. Which is the opposite of Lip, who has clear mugshots, big sprites and quite some official artwork. Not to mention, those two are way more generic looking than someone like Lip, who has a very unique design. Even back in Brawl, Little Mac still used his NES design for his Assist Trophy. Pac-Man wouldn't even have been in the game if Sakurai couldn't use the classic design as he said in an interview. The only character who really got a redesign is Pit (and by extension Palutena) and that can be attributed to there being talks about a Kid Icarus Wii game so they probably already had some designs planned.
I actually tried my hand at making a slightly modernized design of Lip 1-2 years ago. Might still have renders left of it if you're curious.
A picture of the flower fairy Lip from #PanelDePon that I've worked on for the past few days. I think this'd be the perfect outfit for her #SuperSmashBros debut! (Which will hopefully be in #SuperSmashBrosUltimate! ...right, @NintendoVS?) pic.twitter.com/rJfDsat5sM
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Uh...no offense...but I think Lip’s fine the way she is. :/Lip should get redesigned for greater appeal.
dress in Smash.
Smash Ultimate Zelda, Smash 4 Zero Suit Samus, and Ridley all say hi. The only reason the classic NES characters didn't get redesigned because they're dead and will most likely not have another game outside of cameos ever again. Characters like Mario, Link, and even Pikachu already got redesigns from their own games. Unless you want to say Panel de Pon is dead and should remain dead, she's getting an update especially since she's relatively unknown and will most likely be unappealing to anyone unfamiliar with her.
Small correction----After Sakurai redesigned Pit this sparked interest in a new Kid Icarus game on the wii. Initially the team that was suppose to work on the new game were suppose to use the redesign from Brawl as a reference for the visual style of the game but that team ended up going in a direction Nintendo didn't like (not only in terms of visuals but story, tone, etc). Sora ended up working on the new Kid Icarus game for the 3DS later on.
Well for one, Zelda's design comes from 2 preexisting Legend of Zelda games; the Smash team didn't make Zelda's design from scratch not making it a redesign. Not sure about Ridley, but I know Zero Suit Samus is more of a Peach, and now Daisy, case where Sakuari ads a few elements and details to the base of a design to make it more unique. Peach doesn't wear rings in her "classic" design and Zero Suit Samus doesn't wear the shoes she wears in Smash 4 and Ultimate. It's just to add more detail to a somewhat basic design.
You were the one talking about "classic" characters, but sure, if you wanna move the goalpost, I'll entertain you. All of those you mentioned are false equivalency. Zelda is directly from the "Triforce of the gods" duology, therefore from the actual games. ZSS is a bit more muddy, but all they did was add rocket boosters to her shoes, arguably as a direct result of Other M and the backlash the high heels had gotten there. It was also incorporated into her moveset. And Ridley is somewhat of an agglomeration of various designs he's had over the past, while making him fit for smash due to his proportions. In case you haven't noticed, Smash likes to combine aspects of various iterations of the same character, like Mario having a cape, FLUDD and cappy. And yet, all of them can be very clearly seen as the characters that they are, none of them got a drastic or made up change for Smash. How is any of that relevant to your Lip redesign which drastically alters her look, making her barely recognizable?
Funny you mention that, because that's exactly what I brought up with Little Mac. He only got a redesign after he got a game and not for his appearance in Brawl. Sound familiar?
And Lip only has one game, where she has a very unique design, so moot point. Also Mario never had a drastic design change as well, From the beginning he's had his iconic overalls, mustache and hat, which, over time, were just fleshed out. Again, completely different from your design. As for Link, up until BOTW, he's always had the iconic green tunic and hat and was always recognizable as Link. Yes, there always were some rudimentary differences like tights or baggy pants or chainmail when graphics got more evolved, but those were small changes or additions, again, not a complete redesign. Not to mention, it's never the same Link anyway, bar very few examples. As for BOTW, yes, Link got a drastic change there, but that's something that actually goes hand in hand with the drastically different gameplay, so it's not like it was just done for fun, it actually had a purpose. Nintendo even made a huge deal out of this, how this Link... this entire Zelda game differed from the rest, shaking up the formula.
Panel de Pon, or at least the fairies, are dead right now, no ifs and buts about this. Lip's only game was in 1995 and her only actual cameo (Animal Crossing just had her clothing and didn't even name her) was in the 2007 DS game in Japan only. For the record, that's still newer than the last F-Zero game, which was for the GBA in 2004 and also Japan only. And just because I say the fairies, as of now, are dead doesn't mean I want it to stay like this, otherwise I wouldn't be here.
Already mentioned a while ago.
Has been brought up in the past. I think general opinion was to have Lip's actual stick be smaller and always closed unless she's using it to differntiate it from the item. Keep in mind, the item is gigantic which would look really odd on Lip, who would be a fair share smaller than Richter.
Just make it a little bit more detailed or higher-poly, or have it closed most of the time, and there should be no issue.
Yeah, I was thinking that if it was closed, her smash attacks could involve her thrusting her stick around in a direction, harming the foe, then open up, (kinda like what the Monado does) which causes the flower effect on the opponent, and causes them to go flying.
Sounds like you're making excuses. As for "my Lip redesign", it's not even Lip at all. It's just a wild design based on the Panel de Pon fairies and I used it as a wild example.
Doesn't disprove anything I said at all.
LOL She looks like every magical girl from the 80s. She's not unique at all in her appearance.
You could say something similar to Pit but that doesn't change that he hasn't been redesigned.
Technically, the fairies had two games since Furil is so much like Lip that they might as well be the same character (and another reason why Lip should get a redesign because they both look so much the same that even Nintendo can't tell the difference). As for Panel de Pon, it's only in hiatus and people still care about it enough to include it in best Nintendo/videogame lists and felt the need to hack it in their SNES minis. Can't really say the same for Ice Climbers or Duck Hunt.
Thanks for the work. I'll be sure to share this later.
Agreed.
I don't know it would be okay to start with an English version first though. I know the English translation in the videos isn't completely accurate, but I still enjoy it anyways.
When I said people hacked it into the SNES mini, its Tetris Attack not Panel de Pon, No fairies.
I sent it to you.
Yeah, I know. Tetris Attack was a cult classic even before Panel de Pon got the attention it got. Even made it in Hardcore Gaming's Top 200 games of all time.
If they were to release Panel de Pon outside of Japan, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of backlash from Nintendo for not re-releasing Tetris Attack. Its because its not the version of the game that people remembered. Its just a build up of what people will want more and more. A lot of people have been waiting for TA to be re-released and they will make the argument that they can rename the game.
I had no idea of this. That explains the desperate hacking for that game. I wondered all this time why we got some dumb Kirby spin-off and not Tetris Attack and now I see it was supposed to be there. That's effed up especially since they can easily pull off a name change with ease or just stick Panel de Pon in and change it to English text (there's not too much of it either). NoA can be really anal to its fans especially Earthbound's.
I think I might be the only defender of Urban Champion.
Backlash from Nintendo, or backlash from immature man-kids bawling about Yoshi and nostalgia?
People who wants Panel de Pon to be localized or wants the fairies are the minority of Puzzle League fans who wants Panel de Pon.
It's not what people in general want per se, but there are many other things Nintendo did that we didn't want but which turned out to be great anyway. Licensing their characters out for Mario + Rabbids, for one, and that's a far more controversial example than just releasing Panel de Pon unedited because the Rabbids were highly divisive in their home series before that point (and, with the possible exception of the named Rabbid characters in that game, they still are). Again, people could really learn to love the fairies.
It would be a good way to reintroduce Selene since she is one of the better designed fairies and her Ohohoho laugh that tends to be pretty popular with characters who have the same thing (i.e. Karin and Freeza).