The Fairy with Fighting Spirit: Lip for Smash! *Play Panel de Pon on NSO!*

[StarDustStorm]

I noticed that in the cancelled Panel de Pon GBC game, it seems that they were originally going to give the redesigned Lip's Sitck to Lip herself. Though the game was a Pokemon game instead and the redeisgned Lip's stick seems to be used for Furil in the GC version. I actually don't know why they don't use this design for Smash Bros. honestly for Lip's Stick. They redesigned the flower effect, so maybe this can be the new design for Lip's Stick but technically has more relation with Furil than Lip as the GBC one was scrapped and unused in the game.

Found the image here.
Captain Rainbow seems to use a different design from the games I described above.

 

[Siggy88]

Well, Captain Rainbow used different designs for everything, so I don't think it counts.

 

[N. Onymous]

It also looks like Lippy has orange bracelets in Captain Rainbow. And that's without mentioning the ears. Basically, I don't think 100% fidelity to character designs was Captain Rainbow's priority.

 

[StarDustStorm]

It also looks like Lippy has orange bracelets in Captain Rainbow. And that's without mentioning the ears. Basically, I don't think 100% fidelity to character designs was Captain Rainbow's priority.

It is true that an official accurate model of Lip does not exist while characters like Ness, Lucas and the retro reps along with some Famicom melee trophies has accurate looking models. If they were ever to give Lip a trophy because she wasn't playable in Ultimate, I don't want to see them use the Captain Rainbow models.
However a couple of Lip figures do exist and they seem to be pretty accurate. (They are unofficial though)

I saw this one in My Figure Collection

Saw it from this website, this one is smaller than the other 2 I saw.

Spoiler: May be a little inappropriate

Saw it from here

 

[BluePikmin11]

Out of those three, which are official figures from Intelligent Systems?

 

[StarDustStorm]

Out of those three, which are official figures from Intelligent Systems?

None of them aren't official but they do look pretty nice and accurate, making her playable would guarantee her having an amiibo.
If it was as popular as the Mother Series and FE, we would see at least some official figures pop up.

 

[N. Onymous]

Thank you for reminding me just how much I need a Lip amiibo. Get on it, N.

 

[StarDustStorm]

Nobody seems to mention this but I noticed that Lip's stick lacks the petals on some of her sprites. I think this is actually a perfect way to distinguish her stick from an item version of her stick. You can also see a lack of petals on the stick unless if she uses it, but in her victory pose in the end of stage clear the petals seems to come in and out. The item never does this in the Super Smash Bros. Series. I think her flower should only be open upon use or if she raises it high shown on the 4th picture and the vs. mode sprites when she gets a chain. The stick stays in in her walking overworld sprites, so the petals aren't actually opened.

I took those three images from Spriters Resource
I think the Lip's Stick should be used as a spear for some of her attacks with the flower closed for Lip's moveset.

 

[N. Onymous]

That's exactly what I thought Smash Bros. could do, having Lip's wand closed most of the time but the item always open. That's if they want to have Lip and Lip's Stick in the same game, of course.

 

[StarDustStorm]

That's exactly what I thought Smash Bros. could do, having Lip's wand closed most of the time but the item always open. That's if they want to have Lip and Lip's Stick in the same game, of course.

As I mentioned in the previous post they can also base either Lip or the item off of Furil's stick (the one that Lip was going to have in the GBC game) to differentiate them further apart if they are still a little worried.

 

[Deleted member]

Nobody seems to mention this but I noticed that Lip's stick lacks the petals on some of her sprites. I think this is actually a perfect way to distinguish her stick from an item version of her stick.

No one brought this up, you say?

Spoiler: Bonus

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At first I wanted to make the closed flower a proper spiral like ingame, but decided against it and went for a regular cone to keep the poly count lower. I think it looks good enough like this anyway.

If Lippy is ever in the same Smash game as the Lip's Stick item, that would be a very easy way to distinguish them--having Lip's version closed most of the time (and maybe be a bit more detailed), while the item is always open.

You even quoted the second post which talks about Lip's wand being closed.

 

[StarDustStorm]

No one brought this up, you say?

You even quoted the second post which talks about Lip's wand being closed.

There was a lack of pictures from the original game showing that the wand was closed from those previous posts, plus these posts didn't mention anything about how different Furil's sticks were. It makes it a little difficult for an argument without actual in game pictures of what you are describing especially for those unfamiliar with the game.

 

[Deleted member]

There was a lack of pictures from the original game showing that the wand was closed from those previous posts[...]

Wrong again:

At first I wanted to make the closed flower a proper spiral like ingame, but decided against it and went for a regular cone to keep the poly count lower. I think it looks good enough like this anyway.

It's literally in the my post I quoted just above.

[...]plus these posts didn't mention anything about how different Furil's sticks were.

Moving the goalpost. I never even remotely said anything about any difference or not. I called you out on saying no one brought up that that her stick can be closed when that has been brought up just last week, in a message you even quoted, nothing more, nothing less. When you are trying to make an arguement, it would do you good to read a bit more properly, just like how you claimed there were no in-game screenshots, despite me even quoting my post which has one.

Look, missing something is fine, can happen, but making a bold claim like saying "no one's brought this up" and then trying to move the goalpost when shown otherwise is not. And trust me, as someone ho's been around this place for a while now, everything has been brought up at one point or another. The figures you've shown above? Old hat by now. The site with the fanmade Lip figure? N N. Onymous brought this one up quite a while ago, including a lot of fanart. Pokemon Puzzle Challenge starting as a Panel de Pon game and having a lot of leftovers? Has been discussed as well, I even made a ROM patch and video to show the fairies in motion 1-2 years ago.

That's just how it is with a stagnant franchise like this. The fairies have only been in 1 game (2 if you count the new cast of the GC game). The Lip cameo in Puzzle League DS has been made inaccessible in international version and every other game had either Yoshi, Pokemon or a generic artstyle. I mean, I guess there's the Animal Crossing stuff, but that just had a generic "Flower Fairy" name, as AC never uses the names of characters for items (see Big Bro Stache, for example). I remember how we were hoping this was a sign for things to change, finally some Lip recognition in the west... boy, how wrong we were. And as for Captain Rainbow, that game did not only bomb, but the less said about the character portrayals in this game the better.

There just isn't anything left to talk about at this point, everything has been brought up more than once. It's the same discussions over and over again. It's sad, but that's how it is, you can thank Fire Emblem Systems for this. And before you ask, yes, I've become quite jaded. Comes with the nature of supporting things Nintendo doesn't want to know about for one reason or another. Been supporting Lip since the Brawl days, she has yet to make an actual appearance in the games, all we got was a sticker of some fairies, mind you, they didn't even have the correct name. Stafy? Been also supporting him since Brawl, The result? Being the laughingstock of Assist Trophies for three games in a row, only marginally better than Goldeen and being flat out worse than Marill. Not to mention his only game that got an English release still wasn't released in Europe. F-Zero? Last game was 15 years ago, for the GBA... in Japan only. No, Mario Kart 8 is not an acceptable substitute, Nintendo. Not to mention, Falcon is the only character from the original 12 whose series still hasn't gotten a second rep.

And I'm gonna be real now, if Lip (or Furil) doesn't make it in, not even as an Assist Trophy, I'm gonna throw the towel. We've had Stafy, Takamaru, Prince of Sable, Sukapon, Devil and Saki, Even the Arcade Bunny and Sheriff have been Assist Trophies. Hell, even PONG is one. There's literally no reason at this point not to have Lip in the game in one way or another. And if she gets overlooked again, I'm gonna make my own for Lip for Brawl. I learned how to model because there was no Lip model. I learned hot to rig because no one would rig her. And i swear, I will learn how to make movesets just for this. But enough rambling for now.

 

[StarDustStorm]

I'm pretty much done posting on this thread, I have nothing else to say aside from supporting on any Panel de Pon releases if any is to come out on the Nintendo Switch. I guess the reason I see posts for a while is to ensure that more people will have know about Panel de Pon and to give some extra interest to the series.
I have other projects to work on anyways, and I still support the character to be included in Smash one day in some form even if she's not a playable character.

 

[N. Onymous]

It really feels like this community is falling apart sometimes. I wish there was something I could do, but outside of Smash Bros., "Fire Emblem Systems" is the only one who can save the fairies at this point... and, well...

It's easy to get jaded with how badly the series has been treated over the years, but I'm trying as hard as I can to keep a positive outlook. Even from what little we've seen of the game so far, there are a bunch of little tidbits and curiosities we've seen that feel, to me, like good news. As if they're hinting towards Lip finally getting her chance. That won't stop me from expecting the worst-case scenario (another SSB4 situation), but I'd love to be proven wrong. Believe me when I say you have no idea how happy it would make me to see something new. For once, I wouldn't be crying because I miss the series--but because it's coming back.

In fact, I actually feel like there might be some significant backlash if Lip, and Panel de Pon as a whole, gets shafted again this time around. Maybe not on a Waluigi or Bomberman scale, but I've seen Lip earning support on a frankly unprecedented scale this time around. I've seen more Lippy supporters in the wild now than I have in the Brawl and SSB4 days put together. To snub her again would make a lot of people unhappy.

For what it's worth, there are rumors that Nintendo will use the Switch to introduce new audiences to dormant IPs. Here's hoping Panel de Pon is one of them. (Here's hoping it's a REAL Panel de Pon with Lip and the others. If we get a new Panepon after a full decade of waiting and it's more generic computer garbage bordering on shovelware, I may legitimately vomit.)

 

[Motor Bug2005]

Well guys and gals, a Smash Direct was just announced at EVO for Wednesday. Here's the tweet containing the start times for different time zones:

https://twitter.com/NintendoVS/status/1026202051884150784

I'm holding onto the hope that our favourite flower fairy will be revealed then (even if that hope is small plus it would be a perfect birthday present for me as my birthday is just 2 days afterward). Of course there's the chance that she'll be disconfirmed for whatever reason but I'm not gonna think about that.

 

[N. Onymous]

Here's hoping.

Here's hoping she's playable. Here's hoping they've heard us. Here's hoping we've made a difference. Here's hoping this wonderful series with all of its colorful, lovable characters is coming back.

 

[FooltheFlames]

I think she has the chance to be playable thia time around but i dont see her getting anounced so soon. She seems like a last moment surprise Sakurai choice character.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I think she has the chance to be playable thia time around but i dont see her getting anounced so soon. She seems like a last moment surprise Sakurai choice character.

Yeah, I don’t see Lip as an announcement before the game releases. Unless, she’s supposed to be a statement. Like saying ‘We don’t care about what’s recent, or what games we can sell, this one’s for the fans’.

Then again I wouldn’t have predicted Wii Fit Trainer would be revealed during E3 so what the **** do I know.

 

[FooltheFlames]

Yeah that's what I'm saying y'all~
Who could have predicted something like Wii fit trainer? Or G&W back in the day? ANYTHING can happen in Smash-- that's precisely why I remain optimistic!

 

[『SwingingStar』]

Well, we've finally got something to look forward to. At the very least, I hope we come out of it felling something other than "yeah, I expected as much".

In other news, this credits roll is still the best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JEp9XZYpbI

 

[ThoughtfulWanderer]

I'm coming around to show my support for Lip. During the Smash 4 days of discussing retros, Lip was one of those that appealed to me with a design that stood out compared to other Smash candidates. A fairy girl that can show some fight if some of her official artwork is any indication? Why not? I'm big on the idea of making this game mostly for the fans, and that means including as many of the long-lasting fan requests that have been vocal for 10+ years.

Lip's shown to be one of those fanbases, and I think this should be the time. Dr. Mario shouldn't be all that the puzzle genre gets in Smash!

 

[Siggy88]

Well, we've finally got something to look forward to. At the very least, I hope we come out of it felling something other than "yeah, I expected as much".

In other news, this credits roll is still the best:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JEp9XZYpbI

Yeah, that's what I want mostly out of this too. I'm hoping for more pleasant surprises like Wii Fit Trainer and Duck Hunt, rather that stuff that most are already expecting.

I'm personally not expecting Lip at all, but just a better nod than Lip's Stick would be nice. At least an AT. Well, maybe we'll get answers on Wednesday. Good luck to all of ya.

 

[N. Onymous]

Something I have heard (from a reliable source) is that Lip is actually fairly popular in certain Latin American countries. Not on a Goku level, sadly... Apparently this is a result of Panel de Pon often being included in cheap bootleg SNES hardware clones, the kind you'd pick up at a thrift store that have a billion games built into them. Sort of like how many players outside of Japan only know of Battle City or Circus Charlie for being those games that every Famiclone in existence has built in under literally thousands of different names.

Just an interesting tidbit. Hopefully it means good things for our little fairy. I'm starting to get the feeling her fanbase might be larger than any of us suspect...just quiet.

 

[Itty Bit]

I can tell you now that Lip probably won't be announced this direct. This chica is probably gonna be one of the last characters announced, just like all the other retro characters.
It'd still be pretty neat, though.

 

[Souldin]

Hello everyone; apologies for not commenting too often. It's simply that I don't have much I can contribute to this thread or fandom (I have neither art nor programming skills, so any model creation and such is out the window for me); and I believe we've covered move-set possibilities a plethora of times already.

In any case, Smash Direct soon, though I doubt Lip will be revealed during it. I believe she has super high chances of getting in the game overall, but the only reason I could see her being revealed in this direct is as some sort of balancing inclusion (as in, Ridley was a well supported addition to appeal to the west whilst Lip has more appeal to the Japan audience). Still, one can hope.

I feel like I should say something more to kickstart a conversation (though the whole Latin America thing is very interesting to hear N N. Onymous )... so for everyone who is a part of this support thread, how long has it been since you've been a support of Lip for SSB? I started supporting her for SSB inclusion around the time of Brawl, and a little while after the game's release she rose up to become my number 1 most wanted.

 

[Motor Bug2005]

Hello everyone; apologies for not commenting too often. It's simply that I don't have much I can contribute to this thread or fandom (I have neither art nor programming skills, so any model creation and such is out the window for me); and I believe we've covered move-set possibilities a plethora of times already.

In any case, Smash Direct soon, though I doubt Lip will be revealed during it. I believe she has super high chances of getting in the game overall, but the only reason I could see her being revealed in this direct is as some sort of balancing inclusion (as in, Ridley was a well supported addition to appeal to the west whilst Lip has more appeal to the Japan audience). Still, one can hope.

I feel like I should say something more to kickstart a conversation (though the whole Latin America thing is very interesting to hear N N. Onymous )... so for everyone who is a part of this support thread, how long has it been since you've been a support of Lip for SSB? I started supporting her for SSB inclusion around the time of Brawl, and a little while after the game's release she rose up to become my number 1 most wanted.

I started supporting Lip IIRC just before the Direct where Greninja was revealed. I'll admit that my support for her back then wasn't as great as it is now due in part to being more of a Palutena supporter but after she was revealed at E3 2014, Lip became my undisputed most wanted character.

 

[Takasmash]

If Lip dont get in smash unless I got new improved Dr.Mario.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Something I have heard (from a reliable source) is that Lip is actually fairly popular in certain Latin American countries. Not on a Goku level, sadly... Apparently this is a result of Panel de Pon often being included in cheap bootleg SNES hardware clones, the kind you'd pick up at a thrift store that have a billion games built into them. Sort of like how many players outside of Japan only know of Battle City or Circus Charlie for being those games that every Famiclone in existence has built in under literally thousands of different names.

Just an interesting tidbit. Hopefully it means good things for our little fairy. I'm starting to get the feeling her fanbase might be larger than any of us suspect...just quiet.

First time I’ve heard of that, do you know which countries precisely?

 

[MysticKnives]

Something I have heard (from a reliable source) is that Lip is actually fairly popular in certain Latin American countries. Not on a Goku level, sadly... Apparently this is a result of Panel de Pon often being included in cheap bootleg SNES hardware clones, the kind you'd pick up at a thrift store that have a billion games built into them. Sort of like how many players outside of Japan only know of Battle City or Circus Charlie for being those games that every Famiclone in existence has built in under literally thousands of different names.

Just an interesting tidbit. Hopefully it means good things for our little fairy. I'm starting to get the feeling her fanbase might be larger than any of us suspect...just quiet.

Interesting. Curiouser, and Curiouser.

 

[N. Onymous]

First time I’ve heard of that, do you know which countries precisely?

Peru (apparently where most of these bootlegs are made), Chile, and possibly Mexico, for three. I can't speak for any of the others.

for everyone who is a part of this support thread, how long has it been since you've been a support of Lip for SSB? I started supporting her for SSB inclusion around the time of Brawl, and a little while after the game's release she rose up to become my number 1 most wanted.

Since around 2012. I had been a huge fan of Panel de Pon for a couple of years, and the raw potential inherent in the setting that just wasn't been realized, plus (what was then) five straight years of no acknowledgement whatsoever, was really starting to get me bummed out. That's why I started supporting her for a playable role in Smash Bros. in the first place--it was our best shot at seeing that universe come back.

As for Lip having "super high chances" of being in the game...well, I'm not getting my hopes up too high, and neither should you. If Sora is carrying over the "no dead/Japan-only series" rule from the previous game (and while we have no reason to believe they are, we have no reason to believe they aren't, either), she never had a chance to begin with. But I hope the Smash Ballot has proven that Nintendo's attempts to keep us in the dark about this series were doomed from the beginning!

 

[Royaru]

When SSBU was announced in march, I was sure that Sukapon could be a character like MrG&W, ROB or DHD. Sadly. he was confirmed as an AT, instead him, I think Lip could replace his position as the "Old character that not many people Know".
So, add me to the support list!

 

[Deleted member]

Well, if Lip's a playable character, I certainly don't expect her to be shown tomorrow, if Mr. G&W, ROB or Duck Hunt Duo are any indication. She'd definitely be the obscure retro rep that's only revealed after release.

With that in mind, it's gonna be interesting to see what, if any, Assist Trophies are shown in the Direct.

 

[N. Onymous]

When SSBU was announced in march, I was sure that Sukapon could be a character like MrG&W, ROB or DHD. Sadly. he was confirmed as an AT, instead him, I think Lip could replace his position as the "Old character that not many people Know".

I have to say, as the Smash games go on and more and more retro characters are added (or consigned to Assist Trophies), the list of viable retro choices grows smaller and smaller. It's basically only Excitebiker and Mach Rider left for the NES era, and I can't really see either of them making the cut for various reasons--Excitebiker is literally just a motocross racer (take your pick of having every single move he can perform being "ride the bike in this direction", or completely missing the point of his character), and Mach Rider's moveset would have to be entirely invented if they didn't wand them to suffer the same problem.

Eventually they'll have to turn to more obscure or Japan-only picks. As far as those go, Lip is definitely one of the more accessible options.

 

[Deleted member]

I know I said I'd be done with making PdP content for a while, but I was bored and hot and just needed some distraction (also helped to pass time until the Direct tomorrow). I present to you the remade islands of Neris and Seren:

Spoiler

I'll probably steal the clouds from the Summit stage, thay have the perfect shape and it saves time.

Only missing Windy from the background islands now.

 

[RouffWestie]

At least when Ashley is officially revealed, it'll make an ideal base for a Lip mod lol.

 

[N. Onymous]

Looking better and better, Tai!

At least when Ashley is officially revealed, it'll make an ideal base for a Lip mod lol.

Ashley isn't as much of a lock as people think she is. Popularity alone doesn't mean jack for inclusion in Smash Bros. Even if she is in the game, it won't automatically deconfirm Lip. Having a character from one archetype in the game isn't keeping other characters who also fit that mold from being in the game, otherwise people sure wouldn't be complaining about Smash 4 having too many swordsmen.

 

[PsychoJosh]

At least when Ashley is officially revealed, it'll make an ideal base for a Lip mod lol.

You got it backwards pal.

Tertiary meme character over a timeless main character? Yeah, in your dreams.

 

[N. Onymous]

Let's not start a dong-measuring contest over whether Ashley or Lip is better. It's not what she'd want.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Looking better and better, Tai!



Ashley isn't as much of a lock as people think she is. Popularity alone doesn't mean jack for inclusion in Smash Bros. Even if she is in the game, it won't automatically deconfirm Lip. Having a character from one archetype in the game isn't keeping other characters who also fit that mold from being in the game, otherwise people sure wouldn't be complaining about Smash 4 having too many swordsmen.

This so much. Ashley has chances as her own character, and so does Lip. They're unrelated, really.

I agree Ashley is not a lock, and even I want her as a fun black magic character. Though I will note that she has gotten pushed over other WW characters heavily before. To the point that some of them got zero stuff among advertisements/etc. in comparison. So I don't think popularity alone is what's helping her, but them making her the secondary face of the series at times. I wouldn't be surprised if we got no WW character at all too.