Hol up.... something isn't right in this post. Buffs won't help a character?
The exact same pattern in all 4 (soon to be 5, but hopefully not so) games that holds Yoshi back is his recovery options. His kill options has always been just barely above average/mediocre.
Smash 64 is obvious, no upB. Same for Melee but diagnol airdodge helped him a bit, Tier list placement in both games doesn't matter. 64 everyone was good in some way cause hitstun and damage output was insane, melee Yoshi is carried pretty much single handedly by Amsa.
Brawl recovery was buffed a bit with the 5 egg tosses, but the introduction of footstools, not being able to manipulate his movement during the move and him not being able to auto-snap to the ledge hurt him a lot, especially with the long invincibility on the ledge brawl introduced compared to the previous games.
Smash 4 not only did he get less egg toss jumps (even with the new movement he can do during the ET) he still cannot auto-snap ledge and the hitbox that used to sometimes help yoshi while recovering by hitting the ledge with egg made eggs/most projectiles in the game just disappear into the void.
For Brawl your tier list placement was basically mirrored off of how well you did vs MK the gimpmaster himself, near the end of the game it eventually turned to IC as well but by then most relevant Yoshi players quit the game from MK domination so we couldn't really rise any higher outside of bottom of mid tier despite Yoshi doing pretty well against IC and having GR to Usmash on MK was barely enough to help us escape low tier.
Smash 4 his recovery being exploitable still and kill options not being as common compared to early Sheik/diddy/sonic/fox/luigi days basically made him low tier before a tier list was even made, but the overrated hype from people made others put him in high tier, by then the next tier list he dropped by 8 spots. (back then, 8 spots used to be considered the biggest jumps throughout all the games, but with how wild patches were in S4 10+ became pretty common)
I'd honestly be fine with Yoshi having no broken kill options like 3/4ths of the smash 4 cast has if he was able to have buffs in the one category that's consistently held him back in all smash iterations. Recovery.
Cloud/Bayo are our worst MUs cause outside of insane kill power, their gimping power is disgustingly horrid to be up against as well from cloud's disjointed hitboxes/Nair and Bayo just chasing us offstage and nair/witch twist us into ugly angles.
I'm pretty sure from what aerodrome/kurogane and many zelda mains said early on in the games life, Zelda was nerfed in many areas not buffed. Plus it's honestly hilarious how Sakurai won't fix her terrible upb and side-b, no reason to fastfall still and no reason she shouldn't be able to move once upb ends for such a long while.
Can jab ourselves, frame 3 OoS nair, even downb when dropping shield has good frame data.
Melee throws mostly went into combos on a good portion of the cast, Yoshi throws was bad in brawl but we were blessed with a broken pivot grab and decent GR options on a small portion of relevant characters (Falco ZSS Diddy Pikachu Wario MK IC).
Smash 4 is probably the worst iteration in terms of throws but even dthrow has very rare uses on fast fallers similarly to melee. Still pretty bad though in S4.
To be completely honest, if the 4BR leaders were active and tried for one last tier list before Smash 5 came out (though maybe we might try, who knows), I'd think this Yoshi iteration would drop to low tier and be the worst in terms of competitive viability cause of how irrelevant he is in the meta when the top 3 characters shut him down compared to Brawl where MK/IC he had a decent chance against so not completely out of the meta.
Just all the Yoshi's disappeared which in turned made his results dwindle. (Delta and raptor were the remaining two and they weren't going to as many as they used too).
Melee Yoshi amsa has shown you can do fine against fox/falco and other top/high tiers but he still also loses to the spacies from how prevalent the two are so adjusting to all the different playstyles can be draining a lot of the time.
Feel like this should only apply to Ice climbers (melee/brawl) and Marth/D3 having infinites on a small cast of characters or Falco having CG on literally everyone (brawl for last 3).
Yoshi is probably the worst example for this argument cause his grab release is unique in brawl, even then people can escape if they mash fast enough and the Yoshi (or anyone for that matter) was mashing A too much for pummeling and accidentally jab them away which of course breaks the CG.
Yoshi's GR of course only worked if they went airborne, so if they mashed out and ended up next to us instead it essentially was done unless they potato'd out and do nothing allowing us to grab them again and not trying to retaliate.
Anyway, I wanted to ask. What alt color do you guys use? I'm a big yellow guy myself 
But green Yoshi will be my go-to forever and always.
