MK26
Smash Master
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The Competitive Brawl Stage Hacking Hub: Dat Valentine's Day Status
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Aww yeah
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MK26
Smash Master
ask amk, it was all him here
i just polished it off
and namq sorta apprenticed
<_<
dont get any ideas
i just polished it off
and namq sorta apprenticed
<_<
dont get any ideas
ValTroX
Smash Ace
finally some new stuff to test. In the last NPC+ the upper blastzone was kinda big, you guys should check that out. Also the camera seems to go way too far sometimes, Anyways, gonna test the new one right now 
EDIT: WTF is the MK1-2 that Neko is always talking about?
EDIT: WTF is the MK1-2 that Neko is always talking about?
Perfect Chaos
Smash Master
It's this idea of his: CLICK HERE
This one is a really old version, so I'm sure a lot more progress has been made with this stage as of recently.
This one is a really old version, so I'm sure a lot more progress has been made with this stage as of recently.
ValTroX
Smash Ace
oh,i remember watching that video a long time ago. I think that it can work now that you can put some edges on it, it'll be awesome
SymphonicSage12
Smash Master
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Stage+ hypeeee
MK26
Smash Master
...
it would almost be better if we just froze the stage in that position...
it would almost be better if we just froze the stage in that position...
MK26
Smash Master
w/e, bump for hype+ and title edit
http://www.mediafire.com/?2m0auwmcnek
WWR, stage hopefully at 0.6x size horizontally (not sure if the model resize worked, but the collision does), with fixed camera (short sides+high ceiling)
Soliciting testers...
also, for those interested, here's mk 1-2:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?hgmwiyg0owg
http://www.mediafire.com/?2m0auwmcnek
WWR, stage hopefully at 0.6x size horizontally (not sure if the model resize worked, but the collision does), with fixed camera (short sides+high ceiling)
Soliciting testers...
also, for those interested, here's mk 1-2:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?hgmwiyg0owg
MK26
Smash Master
i only update the op with my finished ****
which wwr can easily be
get hype
#stages for all you stage hacking needs
**** lol...mansion+ has 145 downloads
EDIT: on second thought, 0.6x is probably too small
on third thought, too small is probably a good thing
which wwr can easily be
get hype
#stages for all you stage hacking needs
**** lol...mansion+ has 145 downloads
EDIT: on second thought, 0.6x is probably too small
on third thought, too small is probably a good thing
MK26
Smash Master
Shadic
Alakadoof?
I've got a couple of ideas for a new victory screen. I've actually sent Neko a pic of one of them, but it's got a couple of issues.
Does anybody know how to alter where people appear in the screens?
Also, NPC+ is awesome.
Does anybody know how to alter where people appear in the screens?
Also, NPC+ is awesome.
MK26
Smash Master
its exactly the same as a normal stageposition - its in arc2/modeldata0/3dmodels/stgresult00 of stgresult.pac
also, iunno why wwr is failing me so
also, iunno why wwr is failing me so
Perfect Chaos
Smash Master
So for MK1-2, I'm guessing the platforms were made to come in sets of 3, then stop coming for a little while, in order to prevent camping those platforms, right?
Also, there's a problem...
Pic 1
Pic 2
Pic 3
So yeah, those collision data needs to be taken out (or the blocks destroyed beforehand; either way).
Also, is there a way to make the destroyable blocks on the stage regenerate after a bit of time, like in 20-30 seconds?
Another thing: wall jumping anywhere on the walls using Dantarion's BrawlWall? (And then stages like Yoshi's Island, WarioWare, Castle Seige needs those fixes as well.)
EDIT: That WWR looks a tad too small. I think it should be bigger, since the sandbag is there to prevent much projectile spamming, so it being a little bigger than FD wouldn't be a problem.
Also, there's a problem...
Pic 1
Pic 2
Pic 3
So yeah, those collision data needs to be taken out (or the blocks destroyed beforehand; either way).
Also, is there a way to make the destroyable blocks on the stage regenerate after a bit of time, like in 20-30 seconds?
Another thing: wall jumping anywhere on the walls using Dantarion's BrawlWall? (And then stages like Yoshi's Island, WarioWare, Castle Seige needs those fixes as well.)
EDIT: That WWR looks a tad too small. I think it should be bigger, since the sandbag is there to prevent much projectile spamming, so it being a little bigger than FD wouldn't be a problem.
MK1-2 could use these imo.
Move the main ground up.
Move the plats closer.
Stop having them come in sets of 3 because you can't really camp those platforms without getting caught simply because they consistently move towards blast zones.
Move plats closer to stage.
Increase the size of the plats.
Remove the blocks off to the size.
Lower total HP of blocks over main stage.
Set a 1 min respawn rate imo.
Move the main ground up.
Move the plats closer.
Stop having them come in sets of 3 because you can't really camp those platforms without getting caught simply because they consistently move towards blast zones.
Move plats closer to stage.
Increase the size of the plats.
Remove the blocks off to the size.
Lower total HP of blocks over main stage.
Set a 1 min respawn rate imo.
MK26
Smash Master
wtf lol random-azz floating blocks
and coming in 3s is according to the stage, not any of my changes
as for regeneration, iunno...might have to ask a coder...i can try making them last a really long time...
ill see what i can do
Perfect Chaos
Smash Master
You listed moving the platforms closer twice...
I think the coming in sets of 3 thing is fine. They come often enough that the lack of a ledge isn't that much of a problem.
The blocks only have 6 HP, and is automatically destroyed when you bump it from the bottom, so they're pretty easy to destroy. If the HP is reduced, then we don't need a regeneration time that's that long. Maybe one or the other.
And I don't think making it with more HP but without regeneration is a good idea, since that would just make the beginning of the match have a longer lasting Cave of Immortality and the mid/end of the match simply block-less.
Perfect Chaos
Smash Master
Would speeding up the stage by a little bit work, then? That would make the time gap between the platforms less. And as a bonus, it would also making temporary camping of the platforms a little harder.
Also, I finally tested the PS1, and why is it using the regular model of PS1 (instead of FroHo's edited model), but has the lowered collision data for the fire and rock field?
Also, I finally tested the PS1, and why is it using the regular model of PS1 (instead of FroHo's edited model), but has the lowered collision data for the fire and rock field?
MK26
Smash Master
pc, we fixed that in the latest version
but this is a new one
gogogo melee windmill
[/hope]
http://www.mediafire.com/?tk0mxmy2ymn
neko, speed up + spread 3 plats out = less time between bursts of plats
try this at normal speed, and if its unsatisfactory, with a 1.5x or so speedup
http://www.mediafire.com/?lttljw5mtny
You should see
side blocks gone
platforms larger
platforms aer further apart
but this is a new one
gogogo melee windmill
[/hope]
http://www.mediafire.com/?tk0mxmy2ymn
neko, speed up + spread 3 plats out = less time between bursts of plats
try this at normal speed, and if its unsatisfactory, with a 1.5x or so speedup
http://www.mediafire.com/?lttljw5mtny
You should see
side blocks gone
platforms larger
platforms aer further apart
Perfect Chaos
Smash Master
Windmill is still the same; non-pass-through-able...
And I noticed that with the tree platform on the fire field, the collision data is slightly lower than the actual platform. But when I say "slightly", I REALLY mean it, so it's not going to be noticable mid-match.
Also, I like how the rock on the rock field no longer has a ledge.
And I don't see a difference the the platforms, but that could be just me...
And I noticed that with the tree platform on the fire field, the collision data is slightly lower than the actual platform. But when I say "slightly", I REALLY mean it, so it's not going to be noticable mid-match.
Also, I like how the rock on the rock field no longer has a ledge.
And I don't see a difference the the platforms, but that could be just me...
MK26
Smash Master
derp
i forgot to mention...did you try hitting somebody through it? I hope that what i did gave it the same property as that which makes skyworld's platforms passthrough when you get hit into them
this is like...the easy, simply way of doing it
EDIT: as for the platform on fire, can i get a pic? I didn't notice anything when i checked
i forgot to mention...did you try hitting somebody through it? I hope that what i did gave it the same property as that which makes skyworld's platforms passthrough when you get hit into them
this is like...the easy, simply way of doing it
EDIT: as for the platform on fire, can i get a pic? I didn't notice anything when i checked
Perfect Chaos
Smash Master
Nope, you can't hit people through it. But it would be better if it was always pass-through-able, since the biggest problem with it is the ability to camp on one side of it, since the one approaching is greatly limited by how they can approach with the solid windmill.
Also, I just noticed how there are weird graphic issues on the fire field. There's a couple of black squares on the ground and appears and then disappears, blinking back-and-forth, every second. It just looks unnatural.
Also, I just noticed how there are weird graphic issues on the fire field. There's a couple of black squares on the ground and appears and then disappears, blinking back-and-forth, every second. It just looks unnatural.
MK26
Smash Master
derp
just keep smacking people and see if they go through them
as for the graphical issues, i can see that happening but have no antidote
and if the main problem is just camping on one side, why dont i just raise the windmill?
italic = typo edit
just keep smacking people and see if they go through them
as for the graphical issues, i can see that happening but have no antidote
and if the main problem is just camping on one side, why dont i just raise the windmill?
italic = typo edit
Perfect Chaos
Smash Master
I think full charged smashes (both up and forward) from Fox on a heavily damaged opponent is a pretty hard hit... ...and it's still not hitting people through. (But I guess it's not a matter of power, but location.)
But if the windmill is simply raised, then people can still camp ON the windmill. And a raised windmill might cause a circle loop... It's better if someone can just code it so it's pass-through-able...
And the tree platform really isn't noticeable unless you were looking for it (as in pausing and then zooming in). But here are the pictures...
What it looks like when the collision data matches with the ground: HERE
And the platform in question: HERE and HERE
...and it's still not hitting people through. (But I guess it's not a matter of power, but location.)But if the windmill is simply raised, then people can still camp ON the windmill. And a raised windmill might cause a circle loop... It's better if someone can just code it so it's pass-through-able...
And the tree platform really isn't noticeable unless you were looking for it (as in pausing and then zooming in). But here are the pictures...
What it looks like when the collision data matches with the ground: HERE
And the platform in question: HERE and HERE
MK26
Smash Master
hrm, i suppose you're right
also, can you confirm that the same thing doesnt happen in vBrawl? ill check it out on the computer side.
also, can you confirm that the same thing doesnt happen in vBrawl? ill check it out on the computer side.
Perfect Chaos
Smash Master
Hmmm...I took out the SD Card and loaded PS1, and the fire field's platform does indeed have that lower collision data. So it's Sakurai's fault!!
Also, here's the weird graphic issue I mentioned before. (Wherever there's a patch of fire, the black square appears.)
So it blinks back and forth between these two...
With Black Square
Without Black Square
A texture mistake on FroHo's part when he was editing it, perhaps?
EDIT: Why is it that you can't check out the stuff on the Wii, yourself? Broken Wii or something?
Also, here's the weird graphic issue I mentioned before. (Wherever there's a patch of fire, the black square appears.)
So it blinks back and forth between these two...
With Black Square
Without Black Square
A texture mistake on FroHo's part when he was editing it, perhaps?
EDIT: Why is it that you can't check out the stuff on the Wii, yourself? Broken Wii or something?
MK26
Smash Master
strict parents
<_<
the few times i have access (aka last night), magic (aka npc+) happens
>_>
as for the black square...that's weird - none of FroHo's work went directly into the pac I made
and its a good thing that the platform error is Sakurai's fault, as I didn't see any mistakes in my work
<_<
the few times i have access (aka last night), magic (aka npc+) happens
>_>
as for the black square...that's weird - none of FroHo's work went directly into the pac I made
and its a good thing that the platform error is Sakurai's fault, as I didn't see any mistakes in my work
D
Deleted member
Guest
Idea: Salvage Spear Pillar and leave top platform structure intact or remove top floor and lower the two platforms. Then, edit PS2 so the electric conveyor belts move slowly toward the stage. The wind gravity lowered a lot, but still giving a slight float effect. Ground + Ice transformation should be pretty ok.
This would allow PS2 to be a viable counterpick. The new Spear Pillar would replace the old, frozen PS2 with a similar level structure as a neutral.
Thoughts?
This would allow PS2 to be a viable counterpick. The new Spear Pillar would replace the old, frozen PS2 with a similar level structure as a neutral.
Thoughts?
AMKalmar
Smash Ace
I changed the NPC boundaries a bit. Ceiling is lower, sides are same. I actually lowered the limo a touch (so Ganon doesn't hit his head on the stage), then lowered the camera so you can see most of the limo, then lowered the boundary to suit. Overall it's barely different. I moved the final smash bones but it didn't work. Not that it matters.
MYSTERIOUS UNFORMATIONS
- Mr. Invisible Floating Breakable Platform is not nice to Ness. We must to evict his hurtboxes.
- Ganon can turning warlock punch off the boat. As you all know, this is a very important thing to do.*
- Air to ground sideB's can be fun kids, but star foxes don't stop a boat ledges.
- There are many, many waveland shenanigans with the main platform and boat. Most notable:
Ike's upB - he can retreat from it by landing on the central slanted part of the main platform. Facing left, you might be able to upB spike someone and land on the boat, sliding back toward the stage.
Yoshi's downB - This is so much fun! You can short hop a downB simply to retreat, but better than that - you slide right off the ledges! You can even do it off the tiny slanted piece on the left side (P1's spawn point is actually perfectly positioned for a grounded downB). After sliding off a ledge you can immediately ledge hog or pull out an aerial. I won't be surprised if NPC+ becomes a common CP by Yoshi mains.
* - he can also do this on Battlefield.
PAC tomorrow because I'm going to change a ceiling under the right ledge to a wall (like FD) but I don't think it will make much of a difference because it's a right wall.
Dr Pepper, I started PS2 a long time ago but never really continued because I couldn't change collisions. Now we can so... Anyways, I think the dirt pile should be squished, and the right wall of it be made a floor. The rest of what you said sounds good to me, only I don't know how to do any of it. And I would be happier with no updraft at all but that's just me.
MYSTERIOUS UNFORMATIONS
- Mr. Invisible Floating Breakable Platform is not nice to Ness. We must to evict his hurtboxes.
- Ganon can turning warlock punch off the boat. As you all know, this is a very important thing to do.*
- Air to ground sideB's can be fun kids, but star foxes don't stop a boat ledges.
- There are many, many waveland shenanigans with the main platform and boat. Most notable:
Ike's upB - he can retreat from it by landing on the central slanted part of the main platform. Facing left, you might be able to upB spike someone and land on the boat, sliding back toward the stage.
Yoshi's downB - This is so much fun! You can short hop a downB simply to retreat, but better than that - you slide right off the ledges! You can even do it off the tiny slanted piece on the left side (P1's spawn point is actually perfectly positioned for a grounded downB). After sliding off a ledge you can immediately ledge hog or pull out an aerial. I won't be surprised if NPC+ becomes a common CP by Yoshi mains.
* - he can also do this on Battlefield.
PAC tomorrow because I'm going to change a ceiling under the right ledge to a wall (like FD) but I don't think it will make much of a difference because it's a right wall.
Dr Pepper, I started PS2 a long time ago but never really continued because I couldn't change collisions. Now we can so... Anyways, I think the dirt pile should be squished, and the right wall of it be made a floor. The rest of what you said sounds good to me, only I don't know how to do any of it. And I would be happier with no updraft at all but that's just me.
Shadic
Alakadoof?
I've already done that.
Edit: AMK - Any chance you could like, get on AIM? I could use some help on some stage-stuff.
Perfect Chaos
Smash Master
Drpepper, I've already came up with that idea for PS2. The only difference is that I'm still debating on which direction the slowed down belt should go. And I initially thought of just finding a SSE stage that fits the neutral field of PS2 to fill in the void of a non-reversed PS2, and using a more unique edit for Spear Pillar instead, but your idea is legit, too.
AMKalmar
Smash Ace
Shadic, my Mom's been nagging me to go to bed for 2 hours so we'll have to talk tomorrow.