The CEO: Dreamland discussion thread

[Aaron1997]

Raito> Larry 3-2

 

[TDK]

Raito 3-2 Larry Lurr

Unfortunately, Raito plays either Mr. R or Dabuz next.

 

[Aaron1997]

TDK Dabuz would be the better match-up. Raito has set wins over Atelier and Yuzu and went Game 3 last stock/Last hit vs Kirihara

 

[Iron Kraken]

The Rosa / Duck Hunt matchup isn't that bad for Duck Hunt at all. That said, I would still of course favor Dabuz to win it.

 

[TDK]

Yeah, I know very little about Duck Hunt dog.

ScAtt 3-0 Rich Brown

 

[Wintermelon43]

Glad to see Mega Man and Duck Hunt doing really good this tournament. Esam and 6WX doing good too.

Does anyone have a link to the bracket?

 

[Iron Kraken]

Glad to see Mega Man and Duck Hunt doing really good this tournament. Esam and 6WX doing good too.

Does anyone have a link to the bracket?

https://smash.gg/tournament/ceo-dreamland/events/wii-u-singles/brackets/129854

 

[chaos11011]

The Rosa / Duck Hunt matchup isn't that bad for Duck Hunt at all. That said, I would still of course favor Dabuz to win it.

It's not that bad. It's way better than most of his other top tier MUs (Bayo, Cloud, Sheik, and Fox)

the only bad thing in the MU is being juggled, cuz Uair disjoints through Can trades, Nair, and Dair

DH can kill Luma consistently, spawn Can as soon as it is Gravitational Pulled, and Gunmen cant be GPulled.

It's still a losing match up, but its doable. According to the DHs that are there, Raito prefers to face Dabuz bc he has Kirihara practice and the Sheik MU is worse

 

[JasonKaroshi]

ESAM > VoiD 3-2

 

[TDK]

ESAM in winners top 8

 

[Ziodyne 21]

Captian Zack 3-2 Blank

This MU is looking like it may really be arpund even given Zack's recent track record . Bayo's y advantage and jank factor seems to be pretty crazy in the MU and it seems ito even it out despite all the advantages Sheik has.


Oh yeah this will be another major Zack managed to place higher than Salem.


I think the only tfue to determine who is the Top Bayo at this point is for both of them to go at it in a best of 3 set grudge match.lol.

 

[TDK]

That's a heartbreaker.

ZeRo 3-2 6WX

 

[NotLiquid]

6WX showed some of the best attrition he's ever done so far in his Sonic play. If ZeRo didn't land that lucky DAir in Game 5 this could easily have been his game.

 

[TDK]

Samsora 3-1 Cashmere

Samsora vs ANTi rematch incoming.

 

[TDK]

That was ****ing disgusting

EDIT: For those of you who weren't watching the second stream (Don't, the commentary is really bad), Captain Zack timed out Static Manny once and ran the timer throughout the set with Bayo's insane planking game.

 

[Ziodyne 21]

Zack is on a Losers Run warpath .But now he has to face Void to get into top 8 and that is going to be a tough hill to climb. Planking ain't likelygoing on work on Sheik

 

[The-Technique]

That was ****ing disgusting

EDIT: For those of you who weren't watching the second stream (Don't, the commentary is really bad), Captain Zack timed out Static Manny once and ran the timer throughout the set with Bayo's insane planking game.

What's the link for the second stream?

 

[TDK]

What's the link for the second stream?

https://www.twitch.tv/ceogaming

I will warn you, the commentary is... less than great.

Mr. R 3-2 Dabuz
Samsora 3-1 ANTi (Also tried but lost)

 

[Ark of Silence101]

https://www.twitch.tv/ceogaming

I will warn you, the commentary is... less than great.

Mr. R 3-2 Dabuz
Samsora 3-1 ANTi (Also tried but lost)

Why is it that Dabuz always hits a dead end whenever he encounters a decently strong player? This also gives me TBH 6 flashbacks.

 

[Iron Kraken]

Why is it that Dabuz always hits a dead end whenever he encounters a decently strong player? This also gives me TBH 6 flashbacks.

Because along with MK, Cloud is the one matchup she unquestionably loses... and Cloud is such a common character.

That said, Dabuz made several crucial and avoidable mistakes that set. It wasn't the best version of Dabuz. Even with that, he brought it to game 5. If he had played a bit cleaner he definitely could have had it.

Also give credit to Mr. R. Apparently he trained in the matchup with Kirihara for many many hours.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

Because along with MK, Cloud is the one matchup she unquestionably loses... and Cloud is such a common character.

That said, Dabuz made several crucial and avoidable mistakes that set. It wasn't the best version of Dabuz. Even with that, he brought it to game 5. If he had played a bit cleaner he definitely could have had it.

Also give credit to Mr. R. Apparently he trained in the matchup with Kirihara for many many hours.

But isn't Kiri god-like at the MU though?

 

[L9999]

But isn't Kiri god-like at the MU though?

The point is that he learns, so he proceeds to beat someone who is not godlike at the MU.

 

[Ark of Silence101]

The point is that he learns, so he proceeds to beat someone who is not godlike at the MU.

That's true. You learn more from defeat than victory.
Aside from ZeRo, who do you think is the most likely to take this tournament?

 

[L9999]

That's true. You learn more from defeat than victory.
Aside from ZeRo, who do you think is the most likely to take this tournament?

Maybe Mr R if he doesn't get Smash 4'd. Otherwise ZeRo is obvious.

 

[TDK]

6WX's play is so impressive. I really hope he makes top 8.

 

[The-Technique]

I'm betting on Nairo taking 2nd place. He's beaten Mr. R before, he can do it again.

 

[|RK|]

6WX... man, dude was playing so well. I wanted this for him, but damn.

I need to give the Sonic dude some props in the Competitive Impressions thread.

 

[chaos11011]

Gonna call it right now:

Raito is conditioning Dabuz to Gravitational Pull so he can press advantage later when his back is to the wall.

 

[TDK]

Nothing can condition you for rage Luma Up Air

 

[Illusion.]

Rage was a mistake.

 

[chaos11011]

Yeah, Duck Hunt has no way to land against Rosa. It's miserable.

 

[TDK]

Nothing can condition you for rage Luma Up Air

Called it.

 

[Mr. Johan]

#BillTrinnenApproved

 

[ARISTOS]

Top 8

Winners Side

TSM ZeRo vs PG ESAM
NRG Nairo vs Elevate Mr. R

Losers Side

DNL Marss vs RNG Dabuz
CLG VoiD vs Samsora

 

[Iron Kraken]

Yeah, I didn't elaborate on the matchup before because chaos pretty much covered it, but that set perfectly illustrated the Rosa / Duck Hunt matchup.

Coming from the Rosa perspective, the neutral is annoying as hell and it can be very difficult to get an opening. Rosa is forced to approach and there's no clear way to rush in. Rosa has no good answer for the gunman. Spacing out with things like jab doesn't work well for her in this match up, so she's forced to play out of her comfort zone. Luma's going to die a lot thanks to the can.

But it is possible to play evasively and wait for Luma to come back. And once she gets an opening she absolutely bodies Duck Hunt. Being above Rosa or being offstage against Rosa is not a pretty situation for Duck Hunt. And that's what still keeps the matchup in Rosa's favor.

 

[|RK|]

Rage was a mistake.

Rage definitely helped, but that looked more like the uair itself being impossible to land against.

 

[my_T]

People blaming Raitos loss on rage?! The real culprit here is clearly Rosa's Uair. The move kills dumb early even without rage, is ridiculously disjointed, and has a disgustingly low FAF considering the other two properties of the move. I'm honestly surprised this move hasn't been nerfed.

And people said/say this Rosa and ZSS is overrated. SMH

 

[TDK]

If it wasn't for the fact that you don't always have Luma, I'm convinced Rosa's up air would be the best move in the game.

 

[Iron Kraken]

People blaming Raitos loss on rage?! The real culprit here is clearly Rosa's Uair. The move kills dumb early even without rage, is ridiculously disjointed, and has a disgustingly low FAF considering the other two properties of the move. I'm honestly surprised this move hasn't been nerfed.

And people said/say this Rosa and ZSS is overrated. SMH

I'm one of the few Rosa mains who has maintained that Rosa is easily top 5 from the very beginning and never wavered on that. I've followed the chatter around Rosa since 2014 and from the early days of Smash 4 people have gone out of their way to try to say how she's falling off / overrated / just not that great. It never made much sense to me.

If it wasn't for the fact that you don't always have Luma, I'm convinced Rosa's up air would be the best move in the game.

Rosa's up-air with Luma is hella broken. But there are definitely other strong contenders for best move in the game - Cloud's U-Air, Bayo's Witch Time, Corrin's Side-B, MK's dash attack come to mind.

 

[0megaZer0]

So what is the most anticipated matchup of the tournament?