The BlazBlue Thread: all the imports!

[Thino]

ggs guys

 

[Crusayer]

You did FAR more drive attacks than any normal. Other than 6A.

Srs. Your typical blockstrings are drive strings. What Noel's good at is her stagger strings. 5A is +, 2C is +. This makes people afraid to press buttons and you use this to push them to the corner. Using d6C is every time not viable string. These are the kind of strings you have to avoid using in Extend. Her drives are significantly slower.

And I honestly never saw you use a 6B overhead.

EDIT: MINATO IS SO GOOD. D:

 

[LivewiresXe]

You did FAR more drive attacks than any normal. Other than 6A.

Srs. Your typical blockstrings are drive strings. What Noel's good at is her stagger strings. 5A is +, 2C is +. This makes people afraid to press buttons and you use this to push them to the corner. Using d6C is every time not viable string. These are the kind of strings you have to avoid using in Extend. Her drives are significantly slower.

And I honestly never saw you use a 6B overhead.

Um...you'll have to excuse is this sounds a little annoyed, but my typical blockstrings consist of NORMAL 5As, 2As, 5Bs, 2Bs, and 2Cs. I don't remember ever using d6C outside of a corner combo or normal combo in the entire match, and truthfully I find it a little bit offensive that you're speaking as if my Noel is incredibly Drive Spammy when I've worked through most of CS2 to be good with her WITHOUT doing the stereotypical Drive Spam that most Noel players get labeled with. I'm quite aware that her Drive moves have much slower start up, that a number of her A attacks, and even one or 2 B and C attacks are plus on block and while I know you're trying to help and am sorry that you do, it sometimes comes across as if you're talking to me like I just started with the character as opposed to that I've been using for for 2 and a half years.

I don't say this to be augmentative or to insult you, I simply figured I should state my thoughts here instead of overreacting elsewhere, lol.

 

[Rutger]

Man, I just can't win.

 

[Minato]

Using Rachel again is so hard lol. After this lobby is over, I'm going to post the habits I've been observing from everyone I played for fun.
Not necessarily just bad habits, but stuff that I notice over and over like certain mixups.

 

[Lythium]

Alrighty, Livewire.

Please don't take this the wrong way, because I'm not trying to sound mean. But you do use your drive A LOT. Like, a lot more than you use any of your normals. And by a lot more, I mean about five to ten times as much, give or take. As pressure and blockstrings, which isn't what her drive is for, which I'm sure you know. If you do use 5A, it's to mash out a tick throw, which is why I was able to break so many of them last time we played.

I can't say for sure today (because I wasn't there), but whenever I play against you, that's usually what happens. And I don't hold it against you, because I'm sure you're used to playing online a lot, and that works for you. Just know that those netplay tactics won't benefit you in the long run, and won't help you grow as a player. Especially in Extend.

And Noel's normals are really good, you should make more use of them!

 

[LivewiresXe]

I know what you mean Lythi, and I get what you're saying it's just....I dunno, sometimes it bugs me when I really work on something and trying to better myself as a player and all that, and I find myself doing or hearing about doing things that people who have been playing Noel for what, 6 months figure out not to do. Pretty much the main thing and reason I get so defensive is because of how long I've been playing her for. Like, I've mained her, and pretty much only her for such a long period of time game-wise, that I feel I have absolutely NO EXCUSE for not knowing better.

Naturally, I know you're not trying to sound mean, and personally I don't think what you said came across that way at all. I just like to try and not use netplay tactics, plus I occasionally get frustrated taking good-natured criticism, and then go on to feel bad and apologize about acting that way a bit later, as I actually feel a bit bad for snapping now.

Ah well, Extend's a new game, new balance, new combos, new start, new rebel!

 

[Lythium]

Well, look at it this way. You've definitely come a long way since I first started playing with you, and you've gotten a lot better. But there's always going to be more stuff that you can improve on. That's never going to go away. And I know what you mean, I've been playing Noel since CT as well, but I wouldn't even imagine that I know everything about her, or that I'm even good. Everyone learns at a different pace.

And try not to take criticism the wrong way. I know it's hard sometimes, but if people are telling you stuff like that, it's because they know that you are capable of doing better, you just might not realize your mistakes on your own. The best thing you can do is try and learn from it.

Cheer up, buttercup!

 

[LivewiresXe]

Haha, thanks.

That being said, sometimes my ramblings are just there to be said, and shouldn't really be taken seriously, lol. This is like, so randomly funny "cheer squad session" or something that's equally as awesome and funny. It's like that one time in grade 10 before I was straightedge and got goofy on the "BC bushes" (as we called it) and wound up being "mr.brightside" for the next 3 days.

 

[Kuraudo]

Man. Thinking about it? We gotta be the most bro-like group amongst a fighting game scene. Go Smash Bros.

:D

 

[Lythium]

Dude, I don't even play Smash anymore. :I

 

[Kuraudo]

Dude, I don't even play Smash anymore. :I

Still dat Smash forum.

 

[Jdietz43]

Using Rachel again is so hard lol. After this lobby is over, I'm going to post the habits I've been observing from everyone I played for fun.
Not necessarily just bad habits, but stuff that I notice over and over like certain mixups.

Ooh lol. I'd love to hear what you thought of my fish out of water Mu and "OMG WHAT IS ITSUU!?" Litchi XP

(no seriously, I'll take whatever I can get. I love getting analyzed)

 

[Lythium]

That would be cool, but I haven't played Minato in so long. I don't know if he could even say anything about me. ;-;

 

[Crusayer]

GGs. Thanks for hosting Minato and everyone that joined.

What are you gonna do about dat full screen orb Rutger? xd. It's like a wall!

I am excited to have my dreams and hopes crushed by Minato~

 

[Rutger]

GGs everyone.

What are you gonna do about dat full screen orb Rutger? xd. It's like a wall!

I am excited to have my dreams and hopes crushed by Minato~

I couldn't figure out any safe way to get in on that.

You've made me pretty excited for Extend.

 

[Crusayer]

Aw dang, I just read up on Tao's overhead and it's +. Netplay tactics to me mashing out of them. >_<

 

[Rutger]

I imagine you could hit me out of its startup, 26 frames.

I'm not really sure though, I've only started to really use it recently so I don't know its ins and outs.

 

[Minato]

GGs, everyone. That was really fun. I think these long sessions are helpful since everyone seems to be learning the matchup and blocking more.
And yeah, Tao's overhead is plus on block which is why I had to do an early 2C.

As for observations/habits, here what I saw. Feel free to disregard whatever since it's really all my opinion.
[collapse="Observations"]Crusayer: You kept mixing things up so that was great lol. Whenever I started understanding your blockstrings and mixups, you kind of change them up after awhile. Only consistent habit I noticed was being a little greedy when you were cornered. You'd do a command dash mixup for a reset to a corner. It's not bad though since I never really mash out of it or try to DP your j.2C. lol. Also I think you should use supers more to close out a round since a 100 heat does so much.

Jdietz: I never played you much, and you never really used characters you knew how to use. I didn't really figure out how you played. I have no real suggestions besides try mashing less and space your attacks better.

Livewire: TBH, I think your defense is really bad. You never learn to just sit there and block on wakeup so you never learned how to improve your defense. You're not using netplay correctly, imo. You're almost playing to win instead of playing to learn. Mashing your way out or doing the same old blockstring does not help you get better. For example, if I don't see you doing 6A or drive, it's you airdashing in and doing jAAAAAA Purple Throw. Also, I'm not against people using Astrals since it will close out a round. But you deliberately saving your burst and heat for that is awful and will bite you back in the tourney (again). You said you learned to avoid doing that, but I thought you said you tried it on Kuraudo in the tourney.

Lythium: I wish I could play you more. From like the 2 games I had with you last time, I think you play too respectful online, haha. But yeah, we need to play more.

Rutger: I suppose work on your spacing more since as Ragna, I know how to punish your whiffed normals. Also, you seem to block high more than blocking low. It's much more easy to block highs from reaction compared to blocking lows on reaction. It might be because you're guessing, I don't know. But I'd try to work on blocking mixups more.

Thino: You play pretty solid. I can't really remember any habits that stuck out. Although you oddly do 4B on wakeup sometimes.[/collapse]
Stuff about me... my Ragna was just ok today, imo lol. I'm abusing Rachel's 2C since I only have like a week until extend.
I need to work on Rachel combos more and I definitely need to get used to capitalizing on situations and better mixups. I'm bad a wind teching and I'm still trying make my gameplay more natural as Rachel.

I can't believe I'm blocking half the stuff I do on Crusayer online but I usually end up getting hit from a frame trap lol. Rutger's pressure with Tao is crazy and I don't know how to consistently break free. I'm guess punish the overhead's startup or barrier block and jump back. Livewire beats me as usual. I know how to bait your reversals and I know what you want to do. Noel's speed and hitboxes are huge though so I get hit, so I guess I need to work on my spacing more on that matchup.

 

[Spelt]

I'm bad a wind teching and I'm still trying make my gameplay more natural as Rachel.

This sentence describes my beef's with how I play rachel too. :1

I never wind tech. I don't know why, but I really need to start.

 

[Crusayer]

I dunno what to do against Tao either.

Granted Tao is makoto's worst match apparently or something.

Rutger needs to try some of those cross up jCs at midscreen I think. Or maybe he just loves pushing us to the corner through pure frame advantage attacks D: Probably try to grab more since all we do is block?

I wish I knew how to combo into supers LOL.

 

[Lythium]

Minato, I totally agree with your assessment of me. (º⌣º)

I'll just have to start playing a character that gives no ****s.

 

[Thino]

yo I need Valk and Plat matchup experience, I leterally never meet those guys when I mash in Ranked XD

Edit: @Minato: yea I did grow fond of 4B lately but I should be careful not do it too much but online its so tempting =P

 

[Jdietz43]

@Minato: Welp, that was a let down lol. But fair. I'm pretty sure the mashing and bad spacing goes hand in hand with character not-knowledge at that point.

@Thino: Come Extend when I can use her on PSN I will give you Plat. I will give you Plat in spades: I will give you so much Plat you'll start to curse the kawaii desu~ Can't help worth a darn with Valk though.

And idk if this is in ANY way correct, but I just play against Tao like I play against Sonic in Brawl: they're a moving target until they get close, just smack them out of the air with 2C and eat your meaty combo with pride and if that doesn't work block for the next 40 seconds until you can give it another go or sneak a 5A out.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Maan, haters.

And to be fair Minato, the bit with Kuraudo and trying to Astral was that I went for it because I just noticed that I COULD. I wasn't deliberately saving meter and burst for it, I just looked over and was like "oh hey, I can do the Astral!!".

 

[Rutger]

I can't really say anything on how others played since all my matchups felt like an uphill battle, I didn't really notice anything in particular.

Rutger: I suppose work on your spacing more since as Ragna, I know how to punish your whiffed normals. Also, you seem to block high more than blocking low. It's much more easy to block highs from reaction compared to blocking lows on reaction. It might be because you're guessing, I don't know. But I'd try to work on blocking mixups more.

Yeah, I noticed that I was having a hard time blocking lows at least on wakeup, I just wasn't holding 1 fast enough.

I was guessing sometimes though, feels kind of necessary in netplay at times.

Rutger needs to try some of those cross up jCs at midscreen I think. Or maybe he just loves pushing us to the corner through pure frame advantage attacks D: Probably try to grab more since all we do is block?

Yeah, I wanted to push people to the corner, which is why I sometimes don't even care about landing a hit while applying pressure. I will probably do that a little less in CSE because I will be able to land a 6C easily.

I don't even think about trying to grab, I need to work on that.

 

[Meru.]

This sentence describes my beef's with how I play rachel too. :1

I never wind tech. I don't know why, but I really need to start.

Wind teching rarely works for me but that's probably because I suck at it. Teching right is harder than you'd think DX

Ugh my defense is just **** in general. It's getting less ****tier fortunately but it's still pretty atrocious.

 

[Minato]

@Minato: Welp, that was a let down lol. But fair. I'm pretty sure the mashing and bad spacing goes hand in hand with character not-knowledge at that point.

One thing I did remember is be careful on rolling. If your opponent set up a proper oki, just neutral tech.

I can't really say anything on how others played since all my matchups felt like an uphill battle, I didn't really notice anything in particular.

I forgot to mention, I think you should use your heat better as Valk. He builds up heat quickly iirc, so don't save it for RCing a blocked DD. I'd say abuse his j.C as an instant overhead and then RC that.

Well, I think I got my Rachel back. As for if I can pull off all these combos online, we'll see. lol
Everything's coming back to me. I finally remembered about using wind to make her back dash so good.

 

[LivewiresXe]

I guess the better question I should ask on things aside from sulking is well, was there anything noteworthy I was going right?

 

[Lythium]

Livewire, I think in general, your execution has really improved. I've seen you do things that you couldn't do a couple months ago.

Also, this is just my opinion, but I think you could work on:
- neutral game
- defense
- blockstrings/pressure
- more optimal combos

In that order, more or less.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Livewire, I think in general, your execution has really improved. I've seen you do things that you couldn't do a couple months ago.

Also, this is just my opinion, but I think you could work on:
- neutral game
- defense
- blockstrings/pressure
- more optimal combos

In that order, more or less.

Oh yeah, my defense sucks. I've always either panicked by bursting too early, trying to jab out, mashing to try and tech out, and I admittedly have a tendency to try and learn other combos, miss them once or twice, and then go back to the same 3 or whatever combos I know.

For instance, I tried to do the whole 6A>6C>j.D>Reload>2B>6C>22B>22BC>6C>stuff combo a bit, but I kept whiffing after the Reload (which still seems SO unnatural to me) so I gave up on it.

 

[Lythium]

Well, it won't do you much good in Extend, but in CS2, I used 6A > 6C > B+C whiff > 6C > 5D > 236A > 66C > j.D > d.6B > d. 6C > d.5D > d.5c > 236D.

Also, I feel like you should just spend some time in training mode, exploring your normals and what they can do. Noel's 2A, 5B, and 5C are all really good pokes. Her 5A is exceptional at stagger pressure, and her 2A and 2C are plus on block. Also, learn what normals you can get combos off of with counterhits, if you don't know already.

 

[Minato]

I guess the better question I should ask on things aside from sulking is well, was there anything noteworthy I was going right?

Anything noteworthy? Beating me is definitely one lol. I'd agree with Lythium on your execution. It's definitely better than before. I remember you used to do Drive combos that weren't combos. But she's also right that you need to work on better optimal combos.

I mostly wanted to point out the flaws for people since that's how you get better instead of the other way around. It's like if someone only saved replays of them winning. You won't learn anything from that. If you save ones where you lose and you notice you keep dropping a certain combo or you can't block overheads, those will be more helpful.

But yeah, work on your defense and your approaching. Don't run and do 2D during your neutral game all the time. Do more frame traps and stagger the opponent. Crusayer's Noel is better than mine on those, so you should pay attention to his. Block on your wakeup. Wakeup j.4D is really bad and works better on online. And the last thing is work on practicing your super input. Just spend time in training mode until you don't drop it.

Like I said, play to learn instead of play to win online and you'll improve faster.

 

[Crusayer]

There's like no way you can do that combo in netplay Lol. The reload section is way too tight and the delay between the 2B 6C and 22B varies between characters so that messes up in netplay even more.

Uh. In the midst of all my rage, I guess I'll just be agreeing with Lyth for your slightly better execution. Though your success rate after the 214A 2B 6C in general was only around 50-ish% against me (but if you do land that, you can finish the combo).

EDIT: I only know how to stagger because I play melty :I cept I dunno what to do when I land that random hit as Noel hahaha.

 

[Lythium]

Press more buttons!

Well, depends on what kind of hit you get, really. But generally, press more buttons.

 

[Crusayer]

-5B random hit on standing opponent- "WHAT DO". That's usually what goes in my head when staggering as Noel ):

I also keep forgetting her attack order so I find myself doing 6B after a 2C `-`.

 

[Lythium]

Haha, I understand.

If it's CH 5B, go directly into 3C. If not, I usually try to finish it up safely with something into 2C, and resume pressure.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Wait, isn't "press more buttons!!!" pretty much post-curse Arakune play in a nutshell?

 

[Crusayer]

Arakune during curse is scary stuff. Him just walking towards you is like "hey hey, wanna burst? Wanna counter assault? I can do this low here. Perhaps an overhead. OH OH, maybe even that instant cross up overhead! Hm. Or I can even just teleport behind you! What am I gonna do it is a mystery~~"

 

[Minato]

At least it isn't CT Arakune where it's a one hit curse lol. CT had so much crazy stuff, it was like fighting Unlimited characters.