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God doesnt lie! If he did, then he wouldnt let Jesus die for our sins. That would be the perfect time to lie for him too because imagine seeing your son, brother, sister, dying in front of your own eyes, then denying his existence? You guys should do some research seriously, man is not a perfect being when it comes to understand all this logic thats why theres a book for us to refer too. People have died for the Bible, and you guys are disregarding it. And Im not making this stuff up, these things Im telling you, you guys should be familiar with since you post in this thread. Everything Im saying is from the Bible, but then your saying you dont believe in the Bible. You people dont appreciate it until there is a loved one in your family who dies or a friend. THink about it... Your ignoring the most Almighty God. And just cause you cant see his presence doesnt mean hes not there. You cant see gravity but you know its there. You cant see wind but you know its there. You cant see oxygen and other chemicals but you know its there. It just seems to me, that you guys dont care. Why is that?Being all powerful as God is, I doubt you can tell us what he can and can't do. If God wants to lie, maybe God can lie, who are you to tell us what God's limitations and qualitites are?
Actually, although not a planet, one of Jupiter's moons, Europa, is supposed to have decent gravity and water underneath it's icy outer shield.Originally posted by CaliburChamp
Why is it that the Earth is the only planet that has water? How is it that we have the right amount of gravity on the Earth?
There's nothing nutty about it, he's GOD! He's always been there because he defies logicThe Best Ever
I hope this doesn't make your logic circuits explode, but if there is always a maker.... Who made God? God always existing is just as nutty as the universe always existing.
You're missing the point. Just because God DOESN'T lie (in some instances) doesn't mean he can't. I can also choose whether to lie or not, it depends on what I think will provide the best outcome. Why would God have to be governed by rules.God doesnt lie! If he did, then he wouldnt let Jesus die for our sins. That would be the perfect time to lie for him too because imagine seeing your son, brother, sister, dying in front of your own eyes, then denying his existence?
People have also died flying airplanes into buildings, that doesn't mean that the reason they did it held any merit, just because they died for it.People have died for the Bible, and you guys are disregarding it.
Well, only a fool believes everything he sees, and only a fool believes everything he doesn't see. I wouldn't say I believe in gravity as much as 'things fall or don't fall.' Same thing for God. The universe is here, as to how it got here, there are many theories.Everything Im saying is from the Bible, but then your saying you dont believe in the Bible. You people dont appreciate it until there is a loved one in your family who dies or a friend. THink about it... Your ignoring the most Almighty God. And just cause you cant see his presence doesnt mean hes not there. You cant see gravity but you know its there. You cant see wind but you know its there. You cant see oxygen and other chemicals but you know its there. It just seems to me, that you guys dont care. Why is that?
I can name a few other books. The Koran, for example, claims to be just as old as the Bible, and has just as much proof to back it up.So even though its hard to comprehend how the universe started, the oldest history book we have is the Bible. There is no other book that explains what it was like before people came about.
If the universe exists as long as God does, then wouldn't that mean that the universe is eternal?As long as he exists the universe exists.
Why the **** do you believe that? Because the Bible says so?God is the Alpha and Omega, he has no beginning or end.
I've already had people close to me die. Notice that I still don't believe in God.You people dont appreciate it until there is a loved one in your family who dies or a friend.
We have a little something called science which lends credence to gravity wind and oxygen. Science, although many Christians would disagree, does not support the existence of God at all.And just cause you cant see his presence doesnt mean hes not there. You cant see gravity but you know its there. You cant see wind but you know its there. You cant see oxygen and other chemicals but you know its there.
Why would I care about something I don't believe exists?It just seems to me, that you guys dont care. Why is that?
Of course, you aren't anything like thatOriginally posted by CaliburChamp
No matter what I say, it bounces off you.
Yeah, pretty much.I can tell that you guys are SO spiritually dead.
Oh, you're calling me pathetic? That's rather ironic. Anyway, belittling people is not really going to convince them. I don't think most Christians fling insults at people after they fail to convert them, so I'm guessing it's not church policy.Hmm, listen to pathetic imperfect humans like you guys.....Or listen to God's Word the Bible.
Yes, I would love to.Dont you want to see your family and friends again in the resurrection?
I think all that it's shown is that most of us believe that morality and hope come from humans, and not some supernatural entity. To me, that seems like a good thing for humans, not a bad one.This thread alone explains about you guys thoughts of morality and hope.
It isn't, actually. Even from a Christian viewpoint, it's a matter of salvation or no salvation, not life or death. I'm confident I'll die either way.You guys should really think this over, its a matter of life and death.
I do not need God to give me hope, a future, or meaning. I will make those things for myself.If you dont believe in God you have no hope, no future, no meaning of life.
I think you meant to say this:Originally posted by CaliburChamp
Im not trying to get you guys pissed, just telling you the facts, and of course I dont have my own opinion about this cause Im an imperfect person too. Therefore I heed what the Bible says and apply it in my life. You guys are entitled to your own opinion, its your fault if you get caught up in a bad situation one day because it was just decision. Is my point coming across, I think Ive been very clear.
That's certainly what everything you say sounds like.I'm not trying to get you guys pissed, just telling you my beliefs, and of course I have my own opinions about this because I'm an imperfect person too. Therefore I heed what the Bible says and apply it to my life. You guys are entitled to your own opinions (but you're wrong); it's your fault if you get caught up in a bad situation one day because you're worthless heathens who don't buy into the Bible. Is my point coming across; I think I've been very clear.
Scientists are wrong because it's so obvious the Bible is right!
Right there is the primary difference between Christians and Aetheists. We have faith in things without proof. Although it may not seem logical, rational, et cetera, it works for us. Personally, I derive a lot of strength from my faith. I also seem to concentrate less on things like creation, biblical contradictions, and the end time, and more on the actual life messages in the Bible. Despite the fact that it is possible to follow those without believing in God, I find humility and comfort in believing in a higher power than myself. It is nice to believe that you have someone looking out for youempirical proof, logic and rationality. Those are the three things that compose my Bible
Wrong. I don't believe in a greater entity.Originally posted by CaliburChamp
You believe in a greater entity but you dont believe in God.
I believe in actual proof. Like Superbus said, Christians believe in things with no evidence. Let me ask you, without the Bible, what evidence do you have of God? I'm not even saying it's bad that you have no evidence. If you need a religion to become a better person, by all means, believe what you want. But stop telling us you're giving us evidence when you're not. At least Superbus understands.And you believe in proofs, but then you dont believe in proofs?
Hopefully this post cleared it up.Thats so puzzling its confusing!
Wrong. Existence is not proof of a god.Originally posted by CaliburChamp
I mentioned this a bunch. This is evidence not from the Bible. And this is it.
The Earth and all of its creation around you is proof already that there was a great mind behind all of this and that this wasnt just a consequence.
Actually, the Earth started off as a giant ball of dust and gas. Over time, these components compacted to create the planet. When the center of the Earth was formed, lava did flow a bunch, yes, but it's not like the entire planet was covered in it.And like all solid planets, earth started out as a world of fire, without that element there would be no crust on earth.
That is correct.Water could not appear when the Earth is on fire,
Possibly... chemical reactions?so the earth would of had to cool down eventually. Now what could of put the element of water on earth?
Also true.Planets like Mars where planets of fire until they cooled down.
First off, the planet wasn't "flaming" when water appeared. Where do you think morning dew comes from? Do you think God comes down from heaven every night to spread it on your lawn? No. Naturally, because of all atoms wanting to have 8 electrons in their outer shell (I don't mean a sentient "want" for it either), hydrogen and oxygen form very easily. It happens all the time, even today.Where could of water come from if there was no atmosphere and when the planets were flaming?
As I just explained, "somebody" had nothing to do with it.Somebody had to put water on the earth amd cultivate it into a liveable planet.
From the trees before it. If you mean the first trees, they developed just like everything else, from bacteria which evolved into plants. Just like funguses evolved into what it is, and:Where could of the seeds of the trees come from?
Evolved from bacteria.How did humans and animal come into existence?
There are multiple theories on this one, but it's hard to recreate a controlled environment that accurately mirrors primordial Earth. Most scientists think that involves carbon, and lots of electricity.Scientist believe that from the water was bacteria that evolved to create life. but how does bacteria create itself?
I just talked about that.How does water create itself?
Congratulations, you've proven nothing.This explains that there had to be a creator to make all these elements for life to exist. Everything was created by some Supreme being. There, I used Scientific evidence for ya peeps. I hope you realize that the creation around you is the very scientific evidence of the existence of God.
this is not the issue here. the issue is solely evolution vs creation. evolutionists are saying nothing about god at all, they are simply giving a factual account of how things most likely happened according to the evidence. creationists are denying this evidence and taking the genesis myth literally.Non-Christians may say because we evolved, there was no creator, and the world all fits together because it formed one small step at a time.
Christians may say that the creator caused us to evolve, and the world all fits together because God created it and moved it along one small step at a time. The creationist argument can be presented as well (With its own sets of pros and cons), but there is a Christian evolutionary argument that exists.
just because a booming voice comes down from the sky and threatens to send me to **** does not prove it is god doing the speaking. it may be a more powerful being than i, but who is to say it is the MOST powerful being?I don't believe you will ever find a scientific way to prove or disprove God, because that's never been how He's worked.
Heh, about the theory of how bacteria came about. Scientist say it was formed from Carbon and Electricity? Then where does Carbon and Electricity come from? There had to be some kind of powerful force that could control all these elements and minerals to cultivate life. And scientists dont know the facts, all their information is related on their own opinion. If you guys believe in God, it would make things so much more believeable to you. Read the Bible and learn, God was around before men, so its only natural that he has the best information available to us during the times we were not created. Its Common sense.There are multiple theories on this one, but it's hard to recreate a controlled environment that accurately mirrors primordial Earth. Most scientists think that involves carbon, and lots of electricity.
But you're still saying it from a position that God exists, which completely defeats the purpose. The fact remeains that even if the carbon came from nowhere, so did God. Both ways don't really make any sense from our standpoint. Besides that, religion is opinion too, it's not a fact. You must know that science based on facts far more than religion is.Heh, about the theory of how bacteria came about. Scientist say it was formed from Carbon and Electricity? Then where does Carbon and Electricity come from? There had to be some kind of powerful force that could control all these elements and minerals to cultivate life. And scientists dont know the facts, all their information is related on their own opinion. If you guys believe in God, it would make things so much more believeable to you. Read the Bible and learn, God was around before men, so its only natural that he has the best information available to us during the times we were not created. Its Common sense.
where did you get this? when electrodes are hooked up to the brain, and people are asked to think about particular things (their phone number, a math problem, etc), different patterns appear that can be grouped together according to the type of thinking required. next time do some research before making up an assumption and posting it here.We can't prove how thoughts work, in fact they seem to be remarkebly independent of the chemical reactions in the brain.
Not just Carbon and Electricity, I was just being general. There is assumed to be thousands of factors that came together at the right moment to create life.Originally posted by CaliburChamp
Heh, about the theory of how bacteria came about. Scientist say it was formed from Carbon and Electricity?
Well, Carbon comes from atoms that have six electrons swirling around it, as opposed to five electrons (Boron), four electrons (Beryllium), etc. etc. These are naturally forming atoms, they are what originally made up the Earth.Then where does Carbon and Electricity come from?
Wrong. See above.There had to be some kind of powerful force that could control all these elements and minerals to cultivate life.
I can't believe you said this.And scientists dont know the facts, all their information is related on their own opinion.
It would be believable, sure, but we'd be believing lies.If you guys believe in God, it would make things so much more believeable to you.
You've said nothing that is common sense, and your best argument to date is "The Bible is right because it obviously is."Read the Bible and learn, God was around before men, so its only natural that he has the best information available to us during the times we were not created. Its Common sense.
The "Big Bang" which many people confuse with an explosion, is really the source of all matter. there was a very lengthy essay on this topic ripped from a website in these forums last year but it was recently closed and deleted.McFox and Snex, about the carbon and stuff, I think he isn't saying where did carbon itself come from, but where the atoms came from in the first place to form into elements.
The "Big Bang" which many people confuse with an explosion, is really the source of all matter. there was a very lengthy essay on this topic ripped from a website in these forums last year but it was recently closed and deleted.McFox and Snex, about the carbon and stuff, I think he isn't saying where did carbon itself come from, but where the atoms came from in the first place to form into elements.