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The 949 Smash Thread: RIP PacWest
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ComboFest
Smash Lord
stabbedbyanipple
Smash Master
There was a lockdown at my school last week because they found acid bombs or something lol
Some guys in my class were making a bucket list haha
Some guys in my class were making a bucket list haha
AntoPark
Smash Lord
I only started SWD-ing with slight consistency such a little while ago. Oh and also, when I plug in my controller the C-stick keeps pointing down. I've been working with the start+X+Y deal for a whileee. Am I supposed to clean it as well?
OkamiBW
Smash Champion
Have you opened up your controller with a tri-wing? If so, have you realigned the C-stick? If so, have you asked someone really really good at controllers like Rickety? If so, have you considered getting a new controller?
... honestly i dont know how it can help, because i cant see frames when i play :\well it's helped me in a couple spots
for example, knowing that Marth's Nair and Fair have the same L-cancelled landing lag is good, because if you do a nair on their shield you know that it's possible to avoid the shield grab in time. However, bair has slightly more lag (2 frames?) so you'd have to be a lot more precise with your timing to avoid a shield grab if you didn't space.
A lot of people think Nair will always get shield grabbed and Fair is faster, but that's simply because of the mechanics of Nair (hits twice, not many people time the 2nd hit to be right before they land), not because it's slower.
OR
Falco's shield pressure, Dair has 9 frames of L-cancelled lag, Nair has 7. Which means Dair is easier to shield grab (2 frames does make a noticable difference, you can tell that it's slower). HOWEVER, dair also has more payoff if it hits (at low percent, won't be CC'd as easily, sets up for consecutive hits at all percents). So if someone is shield grabbing your dairs, you can either decide to do them much later (closer to the ground), or use nair which will probably throw them off more.
But if you didn't know that dair was slower, you would never choose to use Nair for shield pressure ever, since it has less payoff.
AND
like it's an aid to help you time your shine better. you can shine after a Nair slightly sooner than you can after a dair, even though you don't know EXACTLY how much sooner you can experiment with it and eventually find the fastest (frame perfect) timing.
So like with Sheik when I'm doing dairs on a platform, I won't try to jump as quickly as I would after a Fair, cause I know she's gonna be lagged for slightly longer. My inputs won't matter for like 3 extra frames, so I can learn to time it differently. Or on the flip side, I can learn to jump much sooner after a fair than I would from a dair.
And then eventually it becomes "muscle memory" and you don't have to think about waiting a bit longer after a dair, you just know.
One more:
You can see the fastest thing to do out of shield. What's faster, marth's shield grab or his up B? Does reverse up B hit later than normal up B? A frame perfect fair out of shield hits before or after marth's shield grab? What about wavedashing out, can you escape faster than fair out of shield? You have to keep in mind startup frames, jump frames (marth's shield grab hits on frame 7, but he leaves the ground on frame 5), how long it takes for the Fair hitbox to hit in front of him, how hard it is to do any action frame perfectly (is it easier to up B out of shield frame perfect or fair out of shield frame perfect), etc.
Hope that helps.
for example, knowing that Marth's Nair and Fair have the same L-cancelled landing lag is good, because if you do a nair on their shield you know that it's possible to avoid the shield grab in time. However, bair has slightly more lag (2 frames?) so you'd have to be a lot more precise with your timing to avoid a shield grab if you didn't space.
A lot of people think Nair will always get shield grabbed and Fair is faster, but that's simply because of the mechanics of Nair (hits twice, not many people time the 2nd hit to be right before they land), not because it's slower.
OR
Falco's shield pressure, Dair has 9 frames of L-cancelled lag, Nair has 7. Which means Dair is easier to shield grab (2 frames does make a noticable difference, you can tell that it's slower). HOWEVER, dair also has more payoff if it hits (at low percent, won't be CC'd as easily, sets up for consecutive hits at all percents). So if someone is shield grabbing your dairs, you can either decide to do them much later (closer to the ground), or use nair which will probably throw them off more.
But if you didn't know that dair was slower, you would never choose to use Nair for shield pressure ever, since it has less payoff.
AND
like it's an aid to help you time your shine better. you can shine after a Nair slightly sooner than you can after a dair, even though you don't know EXACTLY how much sooner you can experiment with it and eventually find the fastest (frame perfect) timing.
So like with Sheik when I'm doing dairs on a platform, I won't try to jump as quickly as I would after a Fair, cause I know she's gonna be lagged for slightly longer. My inputs won't matter for like 3 extra frames, so I can learn to time it differently. Or on the flip side, I can learn to jump much sooner after a fair than I would from a dair.
And then eventually it becomes "muscle memory" and you don't have to think about waiting a bit longer after a dair, you just know.
One more:
You can see the fastest thing to do out of shield. What's faster, marth's shield grab or his up B? Does reverse up B hit later than normal up B? A frame perfect fair out of shield hits before or after marth's shield grab? What about wavedashing out, can you escape faster than fair out of shield? You have to keep in mind startup frames, jump frames (marth's shield grab hits on frame 7, but he leaves the ground on frame 5), how long it takes for the Fair hitbox to hit in front of him, how hard it is to do any action frame perfectly (is it easier to up B out of shield frame perfect or fair out of shield frame perfect), etc.
Hope that helps.
Mobil
Smash Rookie
I see I've taught you well dave
@ dave ohh i see, so you use the knowledge to see the speed at which something will come out, and use it to make a move in a specific situation, rather than actually looking for a specific frame to do something. that makes a lot more sense. i feel kinda dumb not thinking of that before haha
it seem that i have also taught you well eric
GSUB
Smash Lord
Confucious say: I teach you werr jay-son.
so is Anthony still alive or did his school get bombed up?
he better not be dead...
he better not be dead...
stabbedbyanipple
Smash Master
Maybe you're just a ghost.
ComboFest
Smash Lord
No harm has been done at UNI
AntoPark
Smash Lord
There's a pep assembly on Friday? :D
lol you taught my puff well
my marth on the other hand remains superior
loool. reminds me of when my parents took me out of school on 911
it was so lame. everyone who stayed said they played games and watched movies and i was stuck at home forced to watch the news. C'est la vie..
Incronaut
Smash Ace
- Joined
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LOL @ hypocrisy <3 (even though you said actually i know a decent amount, im going to ignore that for some lols)
all i want to say is, im surprised ******* is not censored. ******
Lovage
Smash Hero
kira i think dair has more shield stun than nair so it's not really easier to shield grab
just sayin
just sayin
ComboFest
Smash Lord
I figured how to do the "name entry glitch" lol fun stuff.
stabbedbyanipple
Smash Master
Me, Gsub, Signia
ComboFest
Smash Lord
I'm in 
I think that Anto park would want to go too.
I think that Anto park would want to go too.
AntoPark
Smash Lord
I'm mos def in.
Sorry I haven't been going lately. LOL.
Sorry I haven't been going lately. LOL.
GSUB
Smash Lord
non-consensual sex
10rapes
stabbedbyanipple
Smash Master
But 10 of you will fill up the list!
GSUB
Smash Lord
I wish I was that list.
ComboFest
Smash Lord
Hey incronaut can you bring your triwing if you are going?