The "8-Player" Debate

[asianpride3491]

Wow. This place truly amazes me sometimes. Ok, here we go.


Would they now? Who says the maps are too small to play on? There may be people out there who find the insane madness of playing on a too-small stage with too many people fun. And heck, if certain stages are too small, lock them out for your 8-player matches. OR, how about Tiny Melee with 8 players? Your logic fails.


O RLY? Come on, are you serious? "stick to teams or 1 on 1"? Give me a break, not everyone wants to limit themselves to these game types. Another failure.


Once again, who says that 8 players would ONLY fit on 2 really big stages in the game? Sure, for competitive matches people might want only 4 or less players at a time, but I say the more the merrier... sometimes you want to just have a crazy game of smash. It was a party game first afterall.

And so what if it could only be online? If they can work the lag issues out (minimize it, I know you can't eliminate it completely), then why not include it as a feature? The more features the better... it might be a while before we get another Smash, go all out on this one!

6 player would be fine too, if they somehow couldn't make 8 work.


Exactly. Why people would want to eliminate the OPTION for 8 players is beyond me. If you don't like it, go play whatever matches you and your friends enjoy. No one will FORCE you to play 8 player games (hopefully, assuming that if the game is online there will be options for this stuff).


I have wondered why no one realizes this. You CAN get decent at fighting multiple opponents, especially when they can hit each other. I have seen a lot of "Home Alone"/"Bumbling Idiots!" moments where 2 people will join forces to take down someone who is more skillfull and outstocking them, but end up hurting themselves more in the process! Good times. Granted, it doesn't always go down like this, but it does happen.


Something we can all agree on at least. Xenu for the win!

Seriously, I can't see why anyone would not at least consider having the OPTION to play with 8 players, whether it be through some kind of add-on or linkup with multiple Wii's, or strictly online. If lag issues could be minimized, who would turn down the chance to have a match that has you and three of your closest friends teamed up on one console, taking on a team of Smashers somewhere else in the world? 4 v 4 style. Good F'n Times.

To reiterate this genius's post, People are stupidly narrowminded when they say "just 2v2 and 1v1". Guess waht, not everybody is completely prioritized with competitive play. Some people who are out there realize the genius of ssb franchise is not fully within its greatly balanced multiplayer, but also in the great moments that can come out of a randomly chaotic multiplayer event that completely defines this party game. This game may be a great competitive game, and i agree, so i say "keep 1v1 and dont take it out", but it is, first and foremost, a fun, crazy game. If all you want is balanced competition all the time, go play battle rifles in H2. But if you still recognize the value of having fun, then let them put in 8 player mode, and stop whining like a spoiled delusional rich kid who always has to get what they want.

 

[The Burrito of Time]

To reiterate this genius's post, People are stupidly narrowminded when they say "just 2v2 and 1v1". Guess waht, not everybody is completely prioritized with competitive play. Some people who are out there realize the genius of ssb franchise is not fully within its greatly balanced multiplayer, but also in the great moments that can come out of a randomly chaotic multiplayer event that completely defines this party game. This game may be a great competitive game, and i agree, so i say "keep 1v1 and dont take it out", but it is, first and foremost, a fun, crazy game. If all you want is balanced competition all the time, go play battle rifles in H2. But if you still recognize the value of having fun, then let them put in 8 player mode, and stop whining like a spoiled delusional rich kid who always has to get what they want.

Could not have said it better myself.

 

[JmcShocker16]

To reiterate this genius's post, People are stupidly narrowminded when they say "just 2v2 and 1v1". Guess waht, not everybody is completely prioritized with competitive play. Some people who are out there realize the genius of ssb franchise is not fully within its greatly balanced multiplayer, but also in the great moments that can come out of a randomly chaotic multiplayer event that completely defines this party game. This game may be a great competitive game, and i agree, so i say "keep 1v1 and dont take it out", but it is, first and foremost, a fun, crazy game. If all you want is balanced competition all the time, go play battle rifles in H2. But if you still recognize the value of having fun, then let them put in 8 player mode, and stop whining like a spoiled delusional rich kid who always has to get what they want.

Yes baby. Take to the stage. Why not have 8 player if they are able.

 

[BentoBox]

Whether or not they're going to put 8 player mode is not in our powers, dear asianpride. All we're doing is discussing that possibility of it being in the next ssb.

Seeing as how there have been only two games in the series, who is to say that they wouldn't allow more than 4 in the new game? Or even design levels that can support more than 4 (heck, I think that Hyrule, Corneria, and Big Blue in Melee would have been fine for more than 4). I know it hasn't been announced (and will likely remain 4 only) but we haven't seen very much of this game either. To me, it just seems like the game could handle 6 or 8 players.

The rev itself does not support more than 4 controller inputs, so it most likely will NOT happen.

End Of Discussion.

 

[Sixwinter-Kubata]

The ability to have 8 players in an online match, however, is not. A computer only supports one player, yet there are games that have thousands of players playing in one 'match' at the same time, with minimal lag. (MMORPG). The possibility is out there, and I don't see why having the option there suddenly threatens the ability to play with only 4 or 2 players.

 

[JmcShocker16]

Whether or not they're going to put 8 player mode is not in our powers, dear asianpride. All we're doing is discussing that possibility of it being in the next ssb.



The rev itself does not support more than 4 controller inputs, so it most likely will NOT happen.

End Of Discussion.

You should be banished from this site if you're still calling it revolution!! It has 4 slot for cube controllers plus you can use 4 wii-motes. so get your facts str8. Dont say anything on this board if you dont know basic facts. my mellinium necklace doesn't like you

 

[#HBC | marshy]

I dunno...Depending on the level it should let you choose to exceed the normal limit of 4 characters.( like final destination, hyrule temple, and possibly big blue)

but if you're choosing a small level like battlefield let there be only 4 players or otherwise you wouldn't really get to fight just button mash and dodge other people with that many people on the field.

 

[Yuna]

You should be banished from this site if you're still calling it revolution!! It has 4 slot for cube controllers plus you can use 4 wii-motes. so get your facts str8. Dont say anything on this board if you dont know basic facts. my mellinium necklace doesn't like you

I thought common sense was common these days. It has slots for 4 somethings. Most probably, these slots are used for both Gamecube controllers and Wiimotes. Do you see any slots besides these 4 slots? What, do you think Wiimotes are magical? You hold them in your hand and they automatically start working? What if 16 Wiimotes are in the same room?

Of course you'd need to connect the Wiimote to the Wii somehow! Even if they're wireless. There needs to be a receiver connected to the Wii!

 

[BentoBox]

You should be banished from this site if you're still calling it revolution!! It has 4 slot for cube controllers plus you can use 4 wii-motes. so get your facts str8. Dont say anything on this board if you dont know basic facts. my mellinium necklace doesn't like you

Laughing out Loud?

edit : Yuna was faster than me. Anywayz, think "Wavebird" and see how it works.

 

[asianpride3491]

You should be banished from this site if you're still calling it revolution!! It has 4 slot for cube controllers plus you can use 4 wii-motes. so get your facts str8. Dont say anything on this board if you dont know basic facts. my mellinium necklace doesn't like you

I still call it the Rev. Anyways, Sixwinter guy brings up a good example with MMORPGs. The engine and computer may support one person, but that doesnt mean the online can add to the amount of players.

 

[white peachy]

it should be called revolution.
wii??? that name is awful

8 player mode would serve little purpose

 

[asianpride3491]

8 player mode would serve little purpose

Explain, please. The way i see it, it serves a lot of purpose. After all, Nintendo plans to bring us together and have a video game party, why not expand the playability of SSBB. Theyre whole thing is that they want to bring this to more people, and wouldnt it be more fun in an 8 player mode? it would add to the other end of the extreme, since we already have the 1v1, no item match, why not the 1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1 item match on a small stage. Also, read my above post, im tired of saying things over and over to people who dont scroll up.

 

[JmcShocker16]

I thought common sense was common these days. It has slots for 4 somethings. Most probably, these slots are used for both Gamecube controllers and Wiimotes. Do you see any slots besides these 4 slots? What, do you think Wiimotes are magical? You hold them in your hand and they automatically start working? What if 16 Wiimotes are in the same room?

Of course you'd need to connect the Wiimote to the Wii somehow! Even if they're wireless. There needs to be a receiver connected to the Wii!

YOu guys dont know anything. THE WII-MOTES DONT USE SLOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! derrrrrrrrr its all wireless people. YOu guys need to go to ign. go back several months to when the controller was unveiled and take notes. It does not use slots!

 

[Oro]

I thought common sense was common these days. It has slots for 4 somethings. Most probably, these slots are used for both Gamecube controllers and Wiimotes. Do you see any slots besides these 4 slots? What, do you think Wiimotes are magical? You hold them in your hand and they automatically start working? What if 16 Wiimotes are in the same room?

Of course you'd need to connect the Wiimote to the Wii somehow! Even if they're wireless. There needs to be a receiver connected to the Wii!

Actually, the receivers are built into the Wii, because the wireless controller isn't an add-on like the WaveBird was. And the controllers use Bluetooth to connect to the system, so you don't have to worry about channels or anything like that like you did with the Game Cube.

 

[JmcShocker16]

Actually, the receivers are built into the Wii, because the wireless controller isn't an add-on like the WaveBird was. And the controllers use Bluetooth to connect to the system, so you don't have to worry about channels or anything like that like you did with the Game Cube.

Thanks ORO. I was trying to tell them that. so this means that 8 players is very possible.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

I don't know I like a good smash fest and it being hectic. But I think there should be limits like my post stated up there.

 

[Yuna]

Explain, please. The way i see it, it serves a lot of purpose. After all, Nintendo plans to bring us together and have a video game party, why not expand the playability of SSBB. Theyre whole thing is that they want to bring this to more people, and wouldnt it be more fun in an 8 player mode? it would add to the other end of the extreme, since we already have the 1v1, no item match, why not the 1v1v1v1v1v1v1v1 item match on a small stage. Also, read my above post, im tired of saying things over and over to people who dont scroll up.

No, it isn't. Another stupid aspect about it is that the screen would have to be so very zoomed out you'd be small moving pixels in the end in order to ahve 8-man melee. It's not stupid. It's chaotic and zoomed out and ugly and most of all:

A complete waste of programming time the mysterious studio doing SSBB could better spend programming something useful into the engine!

 

[Oro]

It still doesn't mean that 8 players on one system is very possible, because everything Nintendo has said has implied that the system will only support four controllers. Other than just ONE statement made by Sakurai, we don't have anything definite about whether Game Cube controllers will work with Wii games in the final hardware. SSBB might just be played with the Classic controller shell or something.

 

[JmcShocker16]

No, it isn't. Another stupid aspect about it is that the screen would have to be so very zoomed out you'd be small moving pixels in the end in order to ahve 8-man melee. It's not stupid. It's chaotic and zoomed out and ugly and most of all:

A complete waste of programming time the mysterious studio doing SSBB could better spend programming something useful into the engine!

what about hyrule temple?

 

[BentoBox]

Actually, the receivers are built into the Wii, because the wireless controller isn't an add-on like the WaveBird was. And the controllers use Bluetooth to connect to the system, so you don't have to worry about channels or anything like that like you did with the Game Cube.

You play with either the GC controller or the Wii-mote but not both as one would obviously override the other's signal. If you plug a gc controller on the 1rst plug, and have a wii mote activated at the same time, what determines which controller is the 1rst player? And what happens if I don't feel comfortable playing with the wiimote, and so do all my friends? No 8-way for us?

 

[Yuna]

Yes, let's make Hyrule Temple the only stage playable. Also, it'd, again, zoom out and be really stupid. Very few people find 4-man FFA on Hyrule Temple fun. Much fewer will like 8-man FFA.

 

[JmcShocker16]

Yes, let's make Hyrule Temple the only stage playable. Also, it'd, again, zoom out and be really stupid. Very few people find 4-man FFA on Hyrule Temple fun. Much fewer will like 8-man FFA.

Shw me the poll that states that people dont like ffa on hyrule temple. I would love to see it. Anyways they could just make the stage bigger or just add more platform layers.

 

[FireStar]

It still doesn't mean that 8 players on one system is very possible, because everything Nintendo has said has implied that the system will only support four controllers. Other than just ONE statement made by Sakurai, we don't have anything definite about whether Game Cube controllers will work with Wii games in the final hardware. SSBB might just be played with the Classic controller shell or something.

Are you absobutely sure he said that?

How about I go get that article...

 

[Yuna]

You are so not getting me here. Hyrule Temple is big enough for 8-man already. But it doesn't amend the fact that with 8-man melee, where you'd have to separate yourself into smaller groups, the stage would zoom out so much you'd be small piles of pixels.

 

[The Burrito of Time]

Yes, let's make Hyrule Temple the only stage playable. Also, it'd, again, zoom out and be really stupid. Very few people find 4-man FFA on Hyrule Temple fun. Much fewer will like 8-man FFA.

Well then, I suppose me and my friends are those few people and would love to play an 8-man FFA.

 

[asianpride3491]

No, it isn't. Another stupid aspect about it is that the screen would have to be so very zoomed out you'd be small moving pixels in the end in order to ahve 8-man melee. It's not stupid. It's chaotic and zoomed out and ugly and most of all:

A complete waste of programming time the mysterious studio doing SSBB could better spend programming something useful into the engine!

Umm, not, you wouldnt? It is very possible in SSBM to move to opposite ends of the screen and well, still see the people. i dont see why more people inbetween would make any difference. And it wouldnt be any more of a waste than putting in 6 players into the engine but only allowing ultimately 4.

 

[JmcShocker16]

Umm, not, you wouldnt? It is very possible in SSBM to move to opposite ends of the screen and well, still see the people. i dont see why more people inbetween would make any difference. And it wouldnt be any more of a waste than putting in 6 players into the engine but only allowing ultimately 4.

right.. u are very right. I hope he understands that

 

[BentoBox]

Umm, not, you wouldnt? It is very possible in SSBM to move to opposite ends of the screen and well, still see the people. i dont see why more people inbetween would make any difference. And it wouldnt be any more of a waste than putting in 6 players into the engine but only allowing ultimately 4.

You play with either the GC controller or the Wii-mote but not both as one would obviously override the other's signal. If you plug a gc controller on the 1rst plug, and have a wii mote activated at the same time, what determines which controller is the 1rst player? And what happens if I don't feel comfortable playing with the wiimote, and so do all my friends? No 8-way for us?
Today 03:56 PM

Self Quotes ftw!

 

[JmcShocker16]

Can we get back on topic people. 8 player would be cool. but if they cant do 8 then 6 would be fine. maybe even 5.

 

[The Burrito of Time]

It really doesn't matter the number of players because this game will be awesome no matter what, so people need quit complaining about some ideas that people have that they think will be cool.

 

[BentoBox]

The Good Reasons on why Super Smash Bros. Brawl needs 8-Player Compatibility:

1. Adding More Characters to the game seems Pointless with just 4-Player Support
2. More Crowd Confusion for Power Moves (Such as Capt. Falcon's Falcon Punch)
3. The obvious case of "Too Much Level, Not Enough Players" (Example: Hyrule Temple)
4. Bigger Team-Battle Action
5. Pichu VS 7 lvl9 Ganondorfs

As the title implies, this IS a debate. We are on-topic, thank you.

 

[JmcShocker16]

As the title implies, this IS a debate. We are on-topic, thank you.

were u talking to me? if had something to say to me quote me. ok? thanks. and you were off topic suger lumps. i dont see why this is such a problem to you. maybe you lack the skill to handle more than one player.

 

[BentoBox]

And exactly how was I off-topic? Not much of a debate if there's no room for arguing huh? SmartHead.

And re-read my posts please, I'm not agaisnt it, I'm telling you it isn't FEASIBLE. End of the line.

 

[The Burrito of Time]

were talking to me? if had something to say to me quote me. ok? thanks. and you were off topic suger lumps. i dont see why this is such a problem to you. maybe you lack the skill to handle more than one player.

Haha! You called him "suger lumps"!

 

[Aruun]

You're all stupid.

Of course one Wii can only support four controllers, but it has the same wireless functionality as the DS - it would be easy as pie to connect two Wiis wirelessly (such as the cable to connect two X-Boxes). Heck, they could probably have the option to have only one TV or one for each console.

Also, just because there are eight people doesn't automatically mean it's going to lag. The only reason it would lag is if they push the graphics too much and the console can't handle it all, causing the framerate to stutter.

 

[GodzillaMan]

Hey, did anyone notice that when Wario shows up in the movie and everyone is looking at him, there are 8 characters? Maybe Nintendo only did four player battles so they wouldn't reveal this feature now, but still left a hint with the Wario scene...

Just some random thing I pointed out.

 

[BentoBox]

You're all stupid.

Of course one Wii can only support four controllers.

THERE YOU GO.

edit@Godzilla : No. That was a t-r-a-i-l-e-r. Notice how in the SSBM trailer, there used to be every single character lined-up in the same screen? Oh Em Gee, 25players at the same time! >_>". Common sense is all I ask of you~

 

[JmcShocker16]

You're all stupid.

Of course one Wii can only support four controllers, but it has the same wireless functionality as the DS - it would be easy as pie to connect two Wiis wirelessly (such as the cable to connect two X-Boxes). Heck, they could probably have the option to have only one TV or one for each console.

Also, just because there are eight people doesn't automatically mean it's going to lag. The only reason it would lag is if they push the graphics too much and the console can't handle it all, causing the framerate to stutter.

Ok show me the facts. can you prove that the wii only supports 4 controllers? sis? baby sister

 

[commonyoshi]

But wouldn't the controllers interfere with each other if there are more than four?(assuming) Since it can only use four frequencies. And also, there were hundreds of yoshis in the melee intro movie...

 

[BentoBox]

But wouldn't the controllers interfere with each other if there are more than four?(assuming) Since it can only use four frequencies. And also, there were hundreds of yoshis in the melee intro movie...

Yes they would.