Wogrim
Smash Lord
Just send it to me (check my "Falcon Favor" thread).
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Testing/Request thread and eventual guide!**THIS WEEK'S TESTING:Raptor Boost/Fsmash**
- Thread starter Ayaz18
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Ayaz18
Smash Champion
Wogrim your the man, i'll send it to you tomorrow
today im doing stuff
today im doing stuff
Noodlehead
Smash Lord
this sounds way too great.btw wii internet sucks,maybe i should switch over to cpu
Wogrim
Smash Lord
CPUs don't play like humans. They do some things quite well, but they don't know the good combos, don't chaingrab, do certain things very predictably, and will put you into bad habits that don't work on real people. Try to find local people and better hours to play (certain hours are always laggy) and you can get to negligible latency.
Noodlehead
Smash Lord
lols i was talking about the actual internet where you browse the web and stuff.i d rather play basic brawl than with a cpu
Wogrim
Smash Lord
Wow I'm dumb
CriticalToast
Smash Rookie
Pic of the extended knee:
Probably a bad example, but whatever.
Probably a bad example, but whatever.
Wogrim
Smash Lord
So mashing A or something gives us Melee Knee?
@ 2:30 +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzhewpKBORQ
Good use of Uair on my part (I'm ICW?!): this is a wifi match, both key and I had some very bad lag, not to mention this is VERY OLD, so my Falcon was not as developed back then ><;;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzhewpKBORQ
Good use of Uair on my part (I'm ICW?!): this is a wifi match, both key and I had some very bad lag, not to mention this is VERY OLD, so my Falcon was not as developed back then ><;;
Ayaz18
Smash Champion
the knee was actually farther than that of the pic but im wayyyy busy do anything, im renovating a house, and trying to get my school stuff done
ChibiPichu
Smash Journeyman
Yeah, but age doesn't change a good match, only thing I could really find wrong with that video was the use of Falcon Kick... SPAM!!! from Key
But anyways, that was a good game and Key was a good fighter and was able to bring himself out of that bad spot where he gained a lot of damage, I love to see a Falcon player able to slow down a little and get the enemies damage meter up (my style against Diddy Kong unless they make a mistake O.o )
Wogrim
Smash Lord
They also did a terrible job on punishing a bunch of each others' mistakes.
That's exactly why I highlighted the fact that it's old. Haven't heard from key lately, but I'm sure he's improved a lot. I know for myself, having been to some recent tourneys and practicing non stop, my Falcon has gotten a helluva lot better, not to mention I've picked up on how to take advantage of situations such as the ones you mentioned, punishing. Good to hear though, I'll make sure I look for opportunities like this more ^.^
Wogrim
Smash Lord
I know that's why you said it, it's just he made it sound near-perfect so I felt like I should point out something that needed improvement.
Ayaz18
Smash Champion
alright guys new moves discuss away
iv been experimenting with these moves lately and have some cool info to share, but i'll post it later.
iv been experimenting with these moves lately and have some cool info to share, but i'll post it later.
Noodlehead
Smash Lord
use the fsmash thats angled up,kills and damages best
Wogrim
Smash Lord
Raptor Boost is a bunch less punishable than Falcon Kick, and even though it can be shield-grabbed most other moves are too slow to punish it after a shield. It's a bigger problem if it gets spot-dodged or they actually attack you. I found out against a G&W that you don't want to use this to get back on the stage if they have a projectile, since it bounces on the projectile and then you get the ugly landing lag while they smash you in the face. Raptor Boost should basically never be used in the air unless offstage and your opponent can't edgehog it. My best use for it is when the opponent is trying to kill me offstage and they're coming in at an angle to intercept me with FAir as I'm falling towards the stage, so they'll be a bit below me if I Boost.
FSmash I've noticed is pretty sexy against SH'd aerials due to it's leanback and good range, although your opponent may still hit your forward leg/foot depending on their attack's hitbox and if they're poking it or coming all the way in. Other than that, it's usually a lot more punishable than DSmash because it moves you closer to your target, allowing them to Smash you right away as opposed to DSmash, which has good range and keeps them away unless they spot-dodged it from close range (where I'd jab or grab instead). It also has a bit less knockback than DSmash's forward kick, although since I use a lot of DSmash it's sometimes nice for a fresh move.
FSmash I've noticed is pretty sexy against SH'd aerials due to it's leanback and good range, although your opponent may still hit your forward leg/foot depending on their attack's hitbox and if they're poking it or coming all the way in. Other than that, it's usually a lot more punishable than DSmash because it moves you closer to your target, allowing them to Smash you right away as opposed to DSmash, which has good range and keeps them away unless they spot-dodged it from close range (where I'd jab or grab instead). It also has a bit less knockback than DSmash's forward kick, although since I use a lot of DSmash it's sometimes nice for a fresh move.
Ayaz18
Smash Champion
here's the thing I was talking about
in training (with falcon obviously) go to FD and SH raptor boost as fast as you can (should be quick enough to almost cancel into a slide pretty quickly, but it's useless on flat stages. HOWEVER use this on yoshi's island and weird things happen, because the stage is indented to create slopes you can cancel into the slide ALOT quicker allowing fora quick follow up. Man I really don't want to say this but...........this can be a new wave dash on YI, but you have to slide your fingers REALLY fast for this to work (it works like the mock waveland), pretty much as fast as it take to SH wizard kick to the ground instantly so it will take time to practice.
in training (with falcon obviously) go to FD and SH raptor boost as fast as you can (should be quick enough to almost cancel into a slide pretty quickly, but it's useless on flat stages. HOWEVER use this on yoshi's island and weird things happen, because the stage is indented to create slopes you can cancel into the slide ALOT quicker allowing fora quick follow up. Man I really don't want to say this but...........this can be a new wave dash on YI, but you have to slide your fingers REALLY fast for this to work (it works like the mock waveland), pretty much as fast as it take to SH wizard kick to the ground instantly so it will take time to practice.
Wogrim
Smash Lord
And for FSmash?
F5Hazardousdoc
Smash Ace
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You guys have Fsmash boost, right? Its just Dash away, and with the timing you'd use for a dash-dance, you push the c-stick toward the opponent. You get a small boost both away, for a quick dodge, plus a small boost forward too, extending the range on your move. Its very nice, I almost ALWAYS Fsmash boost.
Noodlehead
Smash Lord
hmm.yeah its pretty stupid on flat stages and especially lyat cruise.i find it real easy to do on nunchuk though.
Ayaz18
Smash Champion
well Fsmash ties into the mock-waveland, im able to stop all my momentum while in the slide and kind of cancel it into a Fsmash (I say kinda because it looks like it but I haven't done it enough to confirm it). but this is just one slide, if hypathetically we say that Falcon's landing lag can be canceled to a Fsmash due to IASA frames, this could be REALLY helpful.
*side note on Raptor boost. When you raptor boost all your momentum stops like it did in melee which can be used to bring back some melee characteristics that Falcon had, but wern't really used. An example would be platform dashing? also because it stops all momentum could this be used to help falcon recover????*
Ayaz18
Smash Champion
oh another user posted a vid abouta new AT, which matches what I was trying to explain in my earlier posts regarding raptor boost
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFvowOf_rf4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFvowOf_rf4
Noodlehead
Smash Lord
this is not new.
JonaDiaper
Smash Champion
werd u dont gotta do anything special to do this.
Ayaz18
Smash Champion
i know it's not new but it's got some serious potential I think should be looked into, like on YI you can serious mock-waveland everywhere on the stage making your Falcon sexier than he already is
Noodlehead
Smash Lord
i dont think any move can follow up after this,the best thing do to after this is only jabs.if you try this you must space yourself,because if you run into your opponet than you would get punished.probably by dsmash
Ayaz18
Smash Champion
^^^^^^^^^^^^
on YI it's really useful
on YI it's really useful
Wogrim
Smash Lord
It's just like the one where you're coming from offstage and Raptor Boost barely onto the stage, allowing you to do any ground move while sliding, right? From what I remember it looks like you're getting a laggy landing (while sliding), but it's just an animation you can interrupt whenever you want.
Noodlehead
Smash Lord
yeah it is
Ayaz18
Smash Champion
yeah but what im saying is that you can do it also on the main platform because of it's slants
basically it's just more mindgaming techs
basically it's just more mindgaming techs