Legality Tentative: MBR Official Ruleset for 2012

[The Great Gonzales]

im all for having more than one counter pick, maeby include kongo jungle 64 amd brinstar as well, only having pokemon stadium is silly XD

 

[King5280]

bring brinstar back!

 

[Purpletuce]

Does it make sense for me to believe having only 1 CP develops a bias? All characters that have good MUs on PS have a CP stage, those who do not have good MUs on PS do not have a CP. Either the removal of PS, or the addition of more CPs and/or bans would balence this. Also, I like the idea of eliminating pools for the sake of "swiss style tournaments", I don't know if this is the proper thread to state that, but I personally would prefer Swiss, and I am certain most of the smash community would as well. From what I know the BR is not necessarily low-level players, however most players are considered low-level. As such, I do not believe the BR can adequately assess what the best tournament style is, as most members in the BR don't have trouble making bracket (I think). So it is worth looking at this thread, and possibly getting a public opinion.

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=307819

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Tournament Format should be left up to the Tournament Organizer whenever possible. Tournament format is not in the scope of this rule-set.

Also, you realize that players can pick from from the neutral stages right? The match-ups on PS aren't much different from the match-ups on the other 5 stages; depending on the match-up you may want to pick it or you may not.

 

[Awstintacious]

Can we get an update on what is neutral positioning on CPs for Doubles? Also, I highly discourage the use of Jungle Japes... I just hate what people can do on that map, maybe doubles is a completely different situation though. For the sake of melee, I sure hope so.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Japes is a camp fest in 1v1, but camping like that isn't as big of a factor in teams. If you camp, that means your partner is fighting 1v2.

 

[Bones0]

I keep hearing Japes is camp fest, but is there actually any evidence of it being an issue in previous tournaments? Obviously it hasn't been played nearly as much so there might not be videos of it, but it seems like it'd be the hardest stage to camp after FD and PS because of the lack of top platform. I know spacies can do side-B stuff to move pretty quickly, but all the opponent has to do is read a side-B and grab the ledge and it's an instant gimp. Camping the side platforms only seems feasible if you have a good projectile, but it still seems more than possible to work around them and corner them on their little island.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Its possible to camp the sides without a projectile. The fact is that there is no ground in between so it is quite hard to actually approach.

This is the first match that came to mind on that stage: www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_EA7PQR55Q

 

[Bones0]

That video doesn't show much. Bum kept trying to camp, but it cost him more than it gained him... And that's against ICs, which is the worst character to approach people on that platform because they can't just grab the ledge and LH an attack because Nana will die.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

And yet it worked really well and he won the set from it. Hmmmmm

 

[Bones0]

It didn't work really well. He won in spite of his camping.

- Takes Chu's first stock primarily fighting in the center
- Starts camping at 65%
- Chu gets him all the way to 157% and KOs him only taking 52% in the process (ALL of which was dealt from the center platform)
- Starts camping again; takes 56%
- Finally KOs Chu from the center platform
- Almost 0-deaths Chu's third stock by controlling the center platform, only taking damage from 3 moves
- Loses his second stock dealing minimal damage to Chu because he was trying to camp
- Gimps Chu's Nana and finishes him off with another punch, both from... you guess it... the center platform

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Ummm wat? Conflict happened in the center platform... Thats because Bum used the side platforms to force Chu into bad situations. Half the time Bum simply camped the side until Chu attacked, and then jumped over him and trapped him on the side. You can see how effective this strategy is as Bum was able to safely stand in one spot until Chu made an offensive action.

 

[FerrishTheFish]

While it is true that Bum was kind of able to stand in one spot, let me bust out the balls on what I saw in that match:

okeball: Bum stands on side platform and Chu chucks Ice Shots at him until either

:dive: Chu gets impatient and jumps over to attack him (which in all honesty worked out for him better than it should have), or​

:dusk: Bum gets hit by the Ice Shot​

Really, it's hard to camp without a projectile if the other guy doesn't take the bait. What if Chu had just spammed Ice Shot the entire time Bum was on a side platform and did not try to attack at all? Eventually, Bum would have been hit, and it would have been difficult for him to safely make it back to the center platform. Then what?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I think Bum pretty much proved (or at least showed to Chu) that he could avoid the ice blocks simply by jumping over them. Yes he got hit here and there, but in the same approach never worked twice which puts Chu in a tough position.

In the end, this camping strategy gave Bum a solid 2 stock win. Was it effective? Very. Is it even more powerful with other characters? Yes. Should it be legal in 1v1? No.

 

[Cactuar]

Man, this kind of opinionated discussion over strategy never happens anymore.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

I can never tell if ur serious cactus. Even when you don't put a i imagine a

 

[N64]

we need a cactaurface emote

 

[Kal]

I think he's making a joke about your series of questions ending in an opinion that you haven't really justified.

 

[Cactuar]

Man, I would love to have a : cactuar: floating around. Apparently ":""c" is . Far more frowny than .

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[Kal]

A little :cactus: would be cool. For :kal: we can have the energizer bunny saluting.

 

[Hylian]

Man, I would love to have a : cactuar: floating around. Apparently ":""c" is . Far more frowny than .

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I could arrange that...

Spoiler

For a few stages that is.

 

[Cactuar]

Man, government is always so corrupt.

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Spoiler

What did you have in mind?

 

[Strong Badam]

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[Kal]

Suddenly wishing I had some influence on this ruleset.

 

[Deleted member]

Ice Climbers suck without ground > obvious CP > win. it's not really different from another other CP option, it's just not a legal stage anymore. I don't know why you guys are so stuck on it.

@ bones: yeah the camping worked really well. if you have to approach in a **** position, it doesn't matter where the camping actually is, you still have advantage. chu followed him across the map from side to side and lost the majority of interactions pretty obviously.

there's really just not much to talk about.

 

[Hylian]

Man, government is always so corrupt.

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Spoiler

What did you have in mind?

Let's see, I can get you a tiny cactus for RC/KJ being added back into the stage list.

Make Mute and Brinstar legal and I'll throw in a : cactuar2:

 

[Kal]

You forgot Hyrule. Add Hyrule, damnit. Your name is ****ing Hylian!

 

[Cactuar]

Let's see, I can get you a tiny cactus for RC/KJ being added back into the stage list.

Make Mute and Brinstar legal and I'll throw in a : cactuar2:

Dayummmmm, this is so appealing to my cactus core.

 

[Bing]

Let's see, I can get you a tiny cactus for RC/KJ being added back into the stage list.

Make Mute and Brinstar legal and I'll throw in a : cactuar2:

Big Blue, should start off on a sideways Cactus.

 

[ranmaru]

we need a cactaurface emote

And it needs to be BIG

 

[CloneHat]

Uhh is there a coaching suggestion being put in anytime soon?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

No, that is entirely the TO's choice.

 

[Bones0]

Everything is the TO's choice. The point is that banning coaching should be recommended.

 

[Beat!]

I definitely agree.

 

[Luma]

agree'd

10agrees

 

[Geenareeno]

I don't think anyone likes choaching or agrees it should be legal. (excpet Hungrybox)

 

[Kal]

I think that sort of meta stuff should be left out of the ruleset. I'm against coaching, and don't allow it at my tournaments, but I realize that this is just a preference and that the rule isn't unique to Melee.

 

[Geenareeno]

I don't really think coaching is meta, people have been yelling advice from the crowd for a long time. It's only recently that Apex gave a second chair to 'allow' coaching. If anyone makes an argument about standing and coaching I will lose faith in this community.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

What is wrong with coaching? MLG allowed each player to have 1 and only 1 coach as well.

 

[Kal]

It's meta because it doesn't concern Melee specifically. It's about tournament etiquette or conduct, which I don't think the MBR should worry about.