Legality Tentative: MBR Official Ruleset for 2012

[Mew2King]

man fine I'll edit it, I don't really know how to say things I don't exactly mean it's a habit to just type what I mean but that's besides the point. Same thing.

 

[Kal]

Is that the explanation for all the run-on sentences?

 

[Cactuar]

Japes was never going to be suggested for legality in singles, so I'm not sure what point you are making. lol

 

[Mew2King]

oh alright, but in general, I feel like more stages could be allowed in teams than in singles, but it's mostly only for 1 reason - dominant camping/ timeouts

 

[Cactuar]

Yes thank you m2k. That is pretty much what I've been saying throughout the entirety of the thread and for the past few years. I can rest easier now, knowing that it was you who came up with that thought, despite, chronologically, it not being you.

(jk man, I didn't come up with it either :D)

 

[Mew2King]

cactuar hates me

 

[Cactuar]

Yes, the guy who championed the idea of making it impossible to ban FD in a BO5, hates MewFDKing.

LET ALL WHO READ THIS POST KNOW!

So you coming over on Friday?



(You actually had no part at all in the reasoning for creating scaling bans. You just happen to get a bigger benefit from it because you only play there unless someone stops you from ninja-picking it. Every. Single. Game.)

 

[Bones0]

These arguments are repetitive and boring. Something new:

KJ should be neutral in teams in place of PS.

Reasoning:
It is significantly less affected by random elements. The only randomness the barrel plays a roll () in is when people are recovering and get "lucky" if it is on their side or not, but the effect of even that is minimal, especially in teams where recovering high is more viable. PS, by contrast, has transformations that completely change the pace of the game, and in singles it tends to just turn into a standoff for a minute, but in teams it would be too crowded and players would be forced to deal with the janky randomness.

 

[Beat!]

^I'd be ok with that.

 

[Cactuar]

I'd rather make them both neutrals and take Yoshi's Story out of teams due to it's size.

**

 

[Strong Badam]

Lolol Cactus I saw that edit

 

[Mew2King]

man what!?! YS is way better than KJ and PS!!

 

[Beat!]

man what!?! YS is way better than KJ and PS!!

**

I don't think you should worry too much.

 

[Bones0]

You know what they say about players who ban small stages...

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Its because they cant fit their character and their **** on it at once

 

[Kal]

I ban big stages because they scare me and make me feel insecure.

 

[Cactuar]

I feel like everything I say will be taken far less seriously with this combination of avatar and title.

 

[I.B]

do you never go on skype/aim anymore?!

 

[Cactuar]

I'm on gchat all day, and afk on skype all the time mang. AIM just goes on when I remember lol.

 

[Kal]

So I'm about to move to Houston, and I want to work on starting a tournament circuit. As a rule of thumb, I host tournaments according to what I think is right (usually just a variation of KishPrime's ruleset). However, in the interest of getting new players to attend, specifically ones who have never been involved in competitive Melee, do people think the tentative MBR ruleset would be better?

After I've acquired enough newbies, I can brainwash them into not forcing subjective preferences down everybody's throats. mwaha

 

[Cactuar]

Lol. As the TO, its really at your discretion. If I were in that position, I'd probably see what the majority of your local community thinks first, but encourage use of the standard if anyone has a desire to get into the regional or national scene.

Honestly, using a more liberal ruleset would likely be fine assuming the level of play is low, as you say it will be. It is all about what the objective of the group is imo. This one is the recommendation for players who want to be cut throat competitive, as it is what gets used by top/high level players most often and in actual high level tournament settings. Practicing other stuff can either be encouraging on a fun level or discouraging if the players want to be competitive regionally or nationally.

In summary: Cater to your local community's opinion if there is a majority rule, but use the recommended as the house in the case that there is a tie.

Or say **** it all and light that stage list up. :D


The thing about the recommended ruleset is that it really is barebones, a minimum, a baseline, and anything you do will generally add on top of it, which isn't inherently bad. As long as the players aren't putting themselves in scenarios that will never occur in a realistic tournament setting so often that they get used to that being the standard, they will still be able to improve with relevance to the national smash scene and not be affected by a liberal rule set in a majorly negative way. It all really comes down to having fun and making friends for local scenes.

 

[Kal]

Eh, I suppose the ruleset won't really deter players anyway. Most likely people will attend because they like the game, or not attend because they dislike it, regardless of the ruleset used. Texas is at something of a low, in terms of the scene's health, and this is made worse by the size of this state. So I'm really just trying to maximize the scene's health before I go worrying about what ruleset is worthwhile.

 

[Cactuar]

Yep. Primary concern for an area like that is getting attendees lol. Doesn't matter what ruleset you are using if you don't have anyone to play.

 

[Kal]

And, of course, finding the balance between using the ruleset I think is right and preparing for large scale events with a ruleset I think is bad is somewhat difficult. I suppose learning strategies on stages that won't show up at national tournaments won't necessarily hurt, and it may help should a national tournament with a more conservative ruleset come up.

 

[Cactuar]

Indeeeeed.

 

[I.B]

Gchat? THE **** IS THIS CACTUS

How do i does it

 

[Cactuar]

Well, you climb out from that rock you've been hiding under and get a gmail account, and then...

you log into it.

DONE

 

[I.B]

but but but but but but but but

k

 

[Kal]

We've mostly just argued with each other, with me winning of course, so I never got a chance to tell you that your Fox is ****ing inspirational, Cactus.

 

[KishPrime]

The hugs are already aflyin'.

 

[The Star King]

I am actually not ok with the Gentleman's Clause, because I don't think we should allow breaking the rules just because both players agree to it. At the same time, there's nothing stopping players from just playing whatever they want "as a friendly," and simply reporting the results as that of the tournament match.

Hold on, I'm interested in this. Can you elaborate why you don't agree with the Gentlemen's Clause?

 

[Divinokage]

Even if he agrees or disagrees, it's not something really enforceable except in maybe worldwide tournaments.

 

[Mew2King]

I feel like everything I say will be taken far less seriously with this combination of avatar and title.

LOLMFOAALOoL

 

[Kal]

Hold on, I'm interested in this. Can you elaborate why you don't agree with the Gentlemen's Clause?

First, let me preface this statement with the fact that I've just imbibed an entire bottle of Русский Стандарт, so take everything I say with a grain of salt. Basically, in principle it doesn't make sense to me to say that something is against the rules, unless both players agree to it. Rules are black and white, at least as far as what stages are legal, and so I don't think the players agreeing to it should matter. However, as I said in my earlier post, there isn't much you can do, since the players can play whatever they want, and report the results of that as the results of the set they are "supposed" to play. Also, keep in mind that grand finals are noticeably less exciting for the spectators if the players agree to Bowser dittos on Hyrule.

So I never explicitly place the Gentleman's Clause in my tournaments, but at the same time don't bother enforcing it, since I can't anyway.

The Russians really know how to make good vodka.

 

[Doser]

Why would you give the name in Russian?

 

[Kal]

Because that's the name. Not translating it makes me look more pretentious, which is a plus.

Are you really judging my... judgment after I've had a whole bottle of vodka? >_>

 

[Geenareeno]

Yeah but Kal, how hype would Mango vs. Armada be on MK1?

 

[Kal]

Sorry, you're going to have to force feed me whatever you're going for on that one. Not understanding in the least.

 

[Doser]

I really dislike it when people decide to go on the internet and declare how drunk they are. But you went the extra mile by using the word imbibed (among the least pleasant words to pronounce) and by using the Cyrillic alphabet instead of simply typing Russian Standard.

 

[hungrybox]

people shouldn't depend on stages to win