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Yeah, Zero let out a big one in twitter.
You're forgetting one of the most important aspects of platforms: recovery. Vertical and downward-diagonal recovery are both affected, with the platforms giving more options to the descender and forcing the fighter with stage control to work harder.
That doesn't really matter though. The reason why stages like Battlefield are either preferable or hinder characters is because the lower platforms interfere with full jump height interactions and make sharking tactics much more dangerous. If you commit to an aerial, you can't fall through the platform, and most short hop aerials can hit through the base of them. This is not the case with most of T&C's town transformation, so it doesn't run in to the same problems that most platform based stages do, and is much more similar to Final Destination for this reason. Sure, characters can reach the top platforms fine, but they don't have anywhere near the same impact in a match.
I'm not forgetting that. I'm outlining that they have similarities, and for many characters, T&C acts as a replacement Final Destination. I'm not implying they're the same thing.
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you should watch this video courtesy of @Overswarm
I'm not forgetting that. I'm outlining that they have similarities, and for many characters, T&C acts as a replacement Final Destination. I'm not implying they're the same thing.
I already did. I largely agree with everything he said, though there are some considerations to be made given the list of stages we currently have to work with.@
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQH_LUdkfkY
I'm not moved by whether or not you want to attend tournaments. I care more about what is a fairer rule set.
First of all, I never said Smashville is fair in every match up. I said it was the fairest of all the stages in the game overall, and by a large margin. Secondly, you didn't "show" me anything. SmashCapps, the OP, made mention that having three starters gives an advantage to the second player, but that's merely a claim and he didn't make any attempt to back that up. Meanwhile I addressed this already here, and I already went over my concerns about using T&C and Lylat here. I never addressed the 13 stage argument because it never came up, and while I'm open to the idea, I'm hardly crediting you for that. So in short, I've addressed my points, and if needed I could go in to more detail about Lylat and T&C if necessary but it's honestly a waste of time. I'm confident that most established players would understand the inherent problems with those two stages.
I already went over this.
This is gonna totally flip the Smash 4 metagame and change its future, its amazing
If it doesn't happen at Evo, i'm not sure it will happen. Only time will tell
But having the best of the best try it out will make more sense of whether or not it should be tournament viable
The problem I see with this is exposure. If a couple small tournaments here and there decide to give custom moves a try, great. They're collecting data. But they're not going to have the open exposure to the rest of the community the way a large scale tournament will, and I feel that is very important, because it's the only way that people are going to get through these growing pains and actually give these custom moves a shot without writing them off atface value.
The best of the best hasn't been practicing with customs on. I'm pretty sure the majority of them will get caught off guard by a lot of stuff.
That's true, they won't have time to try it out. For that reason the people at Evo should decide quick whether or not they are allowing custom moves so the pros can prepare
EVO's at the end of July. Surely 6 months (4 if you wait until the final ruleset on March 27) is enough to prepare?
That is plenty of time for the pros to test out the customs of their respective mains
This is only half-true. Evo is a huge and will have a lot of viewers, but a good amount of regularly viewed streams are using customs now too, like Xanadu and Team Spooky. We can't forget about the Xanadu effect.
That's certainly plenty of time. I'm just hoping it's well-recieved and expanded upon in the meantime.
The plan is to transfer from a 3DS system 6 or so viable setups to every console. The issue being that it must have an agreed upon set, and everyone has to know what they want going in. Otherwise, it'd be horribly slow.
Do I need to head back to San Antonio and start dishing out backhands?
That plan seems to work pretty well in writing, but we'll know for sure when its used in a big tournament setting
Isn't it obvious? Just look at the algorithm:
The math has another ramification: with 3 starter striking, player 1 can never play on their first preference unless it is also player 2's first preference. Player 2, on the other hand, can always play on their first preference unless it's also player 1's third preference.
This is wrong because it assumes a one sided bias, and that's that Player 1 will be unaware of the Player 2's 1st stage preference and thus unable to ban it, while Player 2 will be aware of Player 1's 1st stage preference. In either scenario, regardless of who gets 1st pick, as long as each player understands which stage the other wants to go to, and they intend to not go to those respective stages, each of those players will result in playing their 2nd option.
1) No. It's likely that most of the time Smashville will be second preference because of how neutral of a stage it is, but this is a generalization, not an absolute. It will benefit some characters more than others. This is a flaw you cannot fix regardless of the number of stage options available to you.
Actually this is completely false. The player that's likely to have the biggest gap in stage preference is the player that prefers Battlefield as their #1 starter, regardless if they ban first or second, because Smashville is quite similar to Final Destination in many respects based on how the neutral game is played and how certain characters use the stage layout, while Battlefield and Smashville are played completely different.
isn't no suicide kinda pointless since every suicide user exept Ganon and Mac die before the victim now?
I imagine it's under the guise of neither player wanting to play on Lylat, so player 1 inevitably wastes their ban, since Player 2 won't ban it.@
Can you explain how it is "wasting" a strike? You strike a stage if you don't want to play on it. If you don't want to play on Lylat, strike it in the same way that I'll strike FD if I don't want to play on it. I see no difference.
If neither player bans it, they play on it. If player one bans it, he has made the decision to ban it, and if it's a "waste" of a ban that implies there is a stage he should have banned instead.
Alright. Let's take your example and expand on it. Let's say you play Diddy Kong and I play Sheik, two relevant tournament contenders. Let's also assume that you don't want to play on Final Destination, like you suggested, while I also don't want to play on Lylat. Scenario 1, I ban first. Scenario 2, you ban first. Scenario 3, I ban first, but with 3 stages. Scenario 4, you ban first but with 3 stages.@
Can you explain how it is "wasting" a strike? You strike a stage if you don't want to play on it. If you don't want to play on Lylat, strike it in the same way that I'll strike FD if I don't want to play on it. I see no difference.
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