Okay Kuz, you asked to read me earlier, so let me open my book to you!
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Also, just for the sake of talking about our voting mechanic, I believe that we should nominate players to get hammer with a separate vote counter or something to keep track of. Essentially, we can use to the mechanic to protect pro-town players from NKs.
I don't have a specific nomination right now so play good and maybe you'll be blessed with the immunity.
41 makes me put Soup in the townie category, and I agree that we
should nominate the person hammering. He shows general town concern
with the statement.
It won't work if everyone isn't okay with it. I'm not okay with it. Problem solved.
48 I don’t understand how that wouldn’t work if everyone isn’t okay with it. If people don’t share their opinion on who gets hammer, then they simply just don’t have a say, and that isn’t our choice as a town. If a person isn’t willing to share their thoughts on who gets hammer, then how is that the town’s fault? What do you plan on doing for hammer distribution?
Btw swiss, if it's d3 and we're both alive the answer is: If we're not at each others' throats, we're both town. If we are at each others' throats then we both need to be lynched.
52 Permission to ignore Adumb for the rest of the game (and forever after)?
@Swiss
Considering my reads have been ****, might as well.
Vote: WashedLaundry
54 Dark Horse, are you saying that the reads you already tried to form seem ****ty or are you saying that you just can’t read people? Lol
Analyze this for any and all ulterior motives but accept anyway because it would hinder you much more as scum than as town.
70 I don’t think I can understand what Kuz is doing. This seems pretty ******** lol. It looks like something that could be turned against Swiss no matter which way he answers, which is pretty odd…
Kuz for d1 lynch.
This entire thing reeks of a strong scum trying to pull d1 control. Too forced and uncomfortable.
The "information to the contrary" comment feels especially off, like he's scared of me actually having information that confirms it.
79 While I don’t like Kuz in the Kuz v Swiss, I don’t like Adumb, either. This post seems very off. “too forced and uncomfortable” is very poorly described and it seems like bs reasoning just to point the suspicion towards Kuz. I also don’t understand how the “information to the contrary” comment is fearful of information at all. It seems more like he’s just asking if you have any proof behind reasoning. Not sure if he’d be fearful when there haven’t been any possible night actions going about so far in the game. Don’t like Adumb.
Subtleties in how people talk tell the story more then any actual actions. That's why I've always appreciated rvs so much.
I know you're scum kuz, you need to die.
83 is worse than 79. No detail once again (and before people say that he doesn’t need to define his scum read so early, let it be known that if you’re saying that someone is certain scum, then it needs to be defined in my opinion in order to get an actual lynch going on said player).
I knew you were gonna on that, but while I may not be s proficient at it, it's always been my philosophy. We've talked about this before and you know I've had a long love affair with RVS.
I implied nothing, I said it outright.
91 not sure if Adumb is dumb or scum… Since he’s supposed to be one of the “better” players, is it safe to assume that he’s scum, Swiss/Kuz?
On further consideration, the nervousness is more likely a result of the possibility for me to have a way to quick confirm once I suspect rather then me actually having the information at hand.
I'd exchange your lynch for swiss' possible NK immunity in a heartbeat.
95 Adumb backs down and changes his reasoning here. I don’t like this at all. Being fearful of possibly gaining information is completely different from having the information, and this definitely looks like a BS way of changing your reasoning to make yourself look more convincing. I also don’t understand how you’d be so sure of yourself if this is the only thing you’ve talked about so far if he wasn’t fearful of you already possessing information. Can you tell me why scum would be afraid of specifically you possibly being able to gain information later on In the game, something that is completely irrelevant during the time of Kuz’ post?
If we exchange it for you being lynched d1, yes.
Otherwise no, not as my reads stand at present.
101 Why would you want Swiss to hammer only if it was the Kuz lynch, Adumb?
The "information to the contrary" comment feels especially off, like he's scared of me actually having information that confirms it.
Swiss, would you lynch Adumb off this?[/QUOTE]
No.
The point of what Adum is saying is not that he thinks you overtly were genuinely scared he had information, but rather the confrontation which had a tone or flavour to it which rings off.
Also to addressing you, what do you want? All you're doing is pressuring me to see if I'll give in to wasting my immunity so you can try and read me - whilst also calling me scum overtly in thread to try and weaken my thread power and irritate me. I'm not an imbecile.
If you truly thought me scum you would have voted me or made action to try and rally other players.
RR I mean for you to sheep my vote but not my reads.
Just arrived at work so eta further posts - 12 hours[/QUOTE]
127 Are you sure? His responses said pretty clearly that he wasn’t “implying” it, rather saying it straight forwardly, and he also tried to change his reasoning from this to something else similar, which shows that he had this reasoning in the first place. Do you agree with Adumb if you believe that this is his reasoning?
Swiss, would you lynch Adumb off this?
No.
The point of what Adum is saying is not that he thinks you overtly were genuinely scared he had information, but rather the confrontation which had a tone or flavour to it which rings off.[/QUOTE]
Actually I sort of did, at least initially. Fear is irrational after all and even if after intellectual consideration he realized it was extremely unlikely that doesn't mean that he didn't react to my post before really thinking.
But in practical terms it could just be general nervousness due to calling out his alignment, asking if I have information to the contrary seems really off and nervous for a townie, the only other explanation is that he was outright role fishing.[/QUOTE]
132 So you’re assuming that Kuz is scum based on an “on occasion” type of thing? :v. I think I’m gonna put my vote here lol.
Vote: WL
Ranked first, then this.
137 Whyyyy Ryuuuuu QQQQQQQ
His response to you wasn't even remotely accurate with what was going on though iirc. He was telling you that Kuz wouldn't be taking away your protection (which, in that scenario, is simply wrong) and that was it. If you were really looking to bait em into calling our slot scum, I imagine you'd have clarified and restated the question, but you were just... cool with it. And besides, how is Kary's 65 not a town tell in and of itself.
@Adumb the pic was a cowboy riding on a horse with a penis for a head. It just seems that you're using your like of Swiss, the person, to find our slot scummy because we're not necessarily in compliance with Swiss, the player.
Breakfast.
149 I don’t like Gordito in his Adumb part of the post. I don’t see how this comes into play at all. Explain, Gord?
Some stuff:
Kary town. Have to agree with Swiss here.
Ditz scum. He comes into this game, says he skimmed the thread, and yet still considers this to be "nonsense." How is this nonsense? He could easily come in and say something, but he opts not to.
Gord gives me bad vibes. The second half of his 149 reads as a pathetic attempt at dismissing what Adumb is saying.
Swiss:Thoughts on Gorf/Ditz?
154 Lol. Calls Ditz scum for that, but doesn’t call me out for that when I’ve said something along those lines twice so far in the game.
Actually I'm entirely willing to re-examine my read later.
Here's the thing, these posts by you are outright scummy.
That is evidence, it's just evidence you've never bothered to look for.
I'm deadly serious, the "kuz, you're scum aren't you" was an invitation for him to say something else incriminating as well as an expression of my opinions of the slot.
Also, don't really have thoughts on potential scummates yet.
154 Lol. Calls Ditz scum for that, but doesn’t call me out for that when I’ve said something along those lines twice so far in the game.
More on this.
Adum who's been reading for these tells longer? You or I?
> mfw no-one tells me why WL is town
Discuss why ScumDitz would openly say this as opposed to lurk.
Idiot, or scummy vibes?
Skip/straight null
I disliked the post myself, was trying to think of a way to word my response when Adum posted his. The tone, though I dislike the word in this case, was distasteful. I agree with his perception if not his analysis.
I've lynched off less (typo in someone's name) but convince me first.
Independent actions is fine with me. Like I said earlier, we will likely pin Gord and react accordingly with the slot.
No
I disgust myself by using an emoticon.
Quote me your tell posts.
nvm
I like Fynal
Aha.
This is the post I was mulling over.
Let's be blunt here. Your reasoning for wanting me to hammer is that I need to vulnerable enough to ensure I do not reach LyLo as you believe that no town is competent enough to lynch me. This is the crux.
My issue is thus, you wish me to compromise my life - and in return give me the choice of the weakest lynch of the game. Of course, regardless of my faction I want immunity for when I chose, but this trade works not to be "pro town" but simply "anti-Swiss".
You are attempting to, as you say, safeguard town against me - but you do this by compromising my
duration in this game and not by
constraining my potential alignment. You have not suggested I be copped, tracked, watched, masoned, time travelled, sent a letter to name-copped etc etc etc (the "pro town clear"). I dislike the process this takes me down.
You then offer your immunity up D2 - which I like as a sentiment. But if you know
are town what does this two? Cripple two of our strongest to decrease the probability potential ScumSwiss can win.
I will not trade my immunity for my choice of D1 lynch. My proposal is as follows and I do not wish to have to succumb to it.
I will, if necessary, offer my immunity D1 for the lynch D3. I am to have the lynch D3 without fail (we can haggle to a potential post humous arrangement, but the intent is the same), provided it is not LyLo and there is no un-CC'd scumclaim against me. To go without saying, I am to be doc'd without fail. D1 and D2 lynches are to proceed as norm and Kuz is not currently required to use his immunity.
You are placing me in a highly undesirable and short lived situation simply because you believe I am too great a threat as scum. I would suggest that instead of using your energy limiting my play as either faction you attempt to read my alignment and play accordingly.
If no other players feel the same way as you do, and instead feel that we can pressure and read me without crippling my town and scum play then I will be ignoring both proposals. I sincerely hope this is the case, though I
would be interested to see how it pans out.
If town; I will likely die, though we have several days of my iut-
Come, Child. See the light
And Town Swiss?
Edit; I may choose to accept original deal if circumstances appeal though this is unlikely, I hope.
>mfw when I have to spend the entire of D1 explaining this post
Kuz/guys ignore my entire offer section.
I just repeated your offer except trading lynch choice to D3, didn't I? Ignore unfinished sentences, I hadn't finished wording.
Kuz ignore this end section, I'll look at it tomorrow morning. Utterly shattered. My initial issues can be read as gold, though. Ignore the mechanics section. Would delete but I have nice ideas, I'm sure.
210 Swiss’ huge post @ kuz makes me feel that he’s town. Logic is good, it produces the best result for the town, and in the end it seems like the best strategy with the highest possible success rate for town.
"I won't be reading pregame"
"I hate games with content in pregame"
"I have reads based on what I've read of the pregame content"
Vote: Jdietz43
225 I can’t tell if this is serious or not based on his Kuz votes lol. Don’t agree with it if it really is serious. He already stated that he skimmed pre-game, and it’s pretty obvious that you can get gut reads from something like that. Just because he changed his mind doesn’t mean that he’s scum when it comes to choosing/not choosing to read a part of the game.
Congratulations, you've figured out why I don't like pre-game stuff. People somehow use it to justify things ahead of time. Game started, I'm here. If you have a problem with what my actual opinions are, say so, otherwise come off it. You're flat proving to me it was the right decision and pre-game is beyond my scope by voting me for it.
234 That is a really ****ty defense. Like wow. ._. lol.
It makes it look like he's actually contributing.
Oh, and this defense:
Is bull****
239 How does that post come off as contributing at all? Lol. Reaching, much?
There was neither any RVS (except Laundry) nor WIFOM utilized in the pregame. In fact, some fairly important mechanic discussion took place that could greatly influence your read on a few players. Why are you trying to put on this bravado and dismiss its legitimacy? You're usually much more open-minded than this. Scum.
247 I’m not sure how I feel about this. Trying to call Dietz scum for something like that when he obviously seems frustrated at the pre-game turning out the way it did.
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I think I'm gonna put my vote here for now:
Vote: Dark Horse
I may move it later though. I never realized how hard it is to get reads on a good player until now with Swiss. I'm kinda afraid to put him as town due to his scum rep, but he's so townie at some points and the rest of the times he's null, never scum. He's a town lean.
Kuz and Fynal interaction puts him at town for me. Looks like he’s actually scum hunting and I like how he’s trying to gather more information before making claims and trying to pull things together.
I'll have to re-read the July post, but I'm pretty sure I pulled a general town read from that.
I'm pretty confused as to if Adumb is dumb or scum lol. Doing what he did as scum, when explained, can put extreme pressure onto you and can make a few people turn on you, Kuz, which I think is the possible scum motivation behind it if he were to be scum. Of course, this perfectly fits with being dumb as well.
