Catching up, addressing things in no particular order.
I liked J's catch up posts, I don't agree with everything and personally find JDietz scum>dumb but I can understand his logic and I like seeing everything laid out from him being open about his reads and looking at pretty much all the players and giving opinions.
I understand J being on the Adumb wagon, especially with this new J v. Adumb thing which is so strongly rooted in meta, but I'm not convinced of Adumb scum. I pressured Adumb for a large portion of yesterDay and his responses about his Kuz suspicions seemed sincere, even though those were rooted in meta as well. So while I don't like the meta argument, his play has been consistent. I also think that unless Adumb and Blazer are scum together, Adumb would have jumped on Blazer when he had the chance D1 or even toDay, but instead he agreed with me and looked at the intent behind his actions and didn't get on that wagon which I felt was opportunistic. So I'm not liking the direction Adumb is going in toDay, but he's not who I want to lynch toDay.
Nabe, what are your thoughts on WL? YesterDay you didn't seem to like him starting the Blazer wagon, what are your feelings on him now?
Glyph v. RR is very interesting; I really like Glyph's first post, especially this part:
Myyyy goodness, what's this! Noble RR, selfless to the end. This post is so utterly grimy that I almost thought he was a BRoomer. Lets look at why!
REASON NUMBER #1: THE INDIRECT CALLOUT. RR wants attention to be on myself, but doesn't really want to be the driving force behind it. That ****'s risky as scum, its hella easier to just throw the information out there and wait for someone else to pick it up.
REASON NUMBER #2: 'I AIN'T EVEN SCARED'. Absolutely no mention of the scum read on himself. No 'wow Glyph where did that come from' or 'wtf you're a moron, have you even read what I've been doing?'. No no, RR is just worried about that unusual DH read of course.
REASON NUMBER #3: LITTLE THING CALLED MOTIVE. Why would RR make this post. Motive is a tricky little thing in mafia, since it really can be spun any damn way you want, but in this case I'd like to hear what prompted this. Go ahead and read back on D2. There's no mention on lil' ol Glyphmoney before this post. What caused RR to remember me at THIS particular time, and why'd he bring it up in such a cautious manner?
I can understand Glyph's tactics and I do see town motivation to try and elicit a reaction from "scum reads"; I also think that the way that he laid out his case shows that even if he is tunnelling a bit on RR, he is scumhunting and looking at actions AND motives to try and get a read on the slot.
RR's response is alright, I know that he does go after inactives quite a bit but what I think is important and which Glyph pointed out is that RR only called out Glyph as an inactive. And even with other people getting prodded who had activity, there are other people such as Fynal who barely contributed D1 and only recently contributed D2 that RR didn't get on. I also find RR's town read on Glyph weak, and it seems like he saw town motive in Glyph's case because he was trying to get/him off his back and appease him. RR is leaning scum and I think that this interaction is deff TvT or TvS with Glyph town. I would support an RR lynch but I'd still prefer a JDietz lynch because:
Apparently bad things happened to Swiss... (or he did bad things?) be ok bro.
For all of those of you wondering, my push on Swiss was weak as piss intentionally to see how things would go both from him and from bystanders. I figured if I was going to be gone forever I might as well create controversy to make reads from. Make no mistake that I was sincere in suspicion that he could still be scum, but the lack of vote and only light hinting of a case was intentional.
I take J's lack of voting me yet as a scumtell. (hahahaha-always tunnels me endlessly it's so fun...)
PS: Reading is for suckers: none of any of this is informed whatsoever by the latest events
This post is terrible. First of all, I don't believe that JDietz was joking or intentionally gave a weak read; I think that he threw out the idea thinking that Swiss would be an easy push on the Kuz town flip and with Kary's suspicions already stated. His first conclusion though isn't to see how other people responded, but to immediately call J scum from not voting him, even though while he was gone a lot of people accused Swiss/J, Swiss went after Kary, J replaced Swiss and J caught up on the game. To say that it was a scumtell for J not to be voting him is a dumb accusation and makes the assumption that J would focus on the suspicions on him, and specifically JDietz's suspicion of him, upon replacing into the game.
Also, he then says at the end that "None of any of this is informed whatsoever by latest events", therefore giving him a backdoor out of ALL those statements he just made -_- . This entire post is a backdoor to his previous suspicion of Swiss and his current comments on J.
@PL: I asked people to talk about those I was most unsure of, in this case also directly asking the people I was unsure of (Swiss/Adum/Fynal/Nabe/Soup). Me getting stated reads to compare to my internal gut reads is one of the easiest ways I've found of forming an idea of alignment. Asking questions seemed like the best way to get back in the game and have some real reads after being under too much scrutiny to hunt properly. Unfortunately no one responded before or after I left.
But you never pushed them to respond when they didn't and you didn't try to involve yourself in current events like Kary did with the Swiss/Kuz discussion. You asked questions and then you were fine when they didn't give answers and spent all Day with just a Toastin read you hung onto. Even if people didn't respond to your questions, you could have provided some idea of where your reads were or what you though of Player A v. Player B and etc but instead you just stayed out of the limelight after the pre-game controversy cooled down. That's what I don't like; that you solely asked questions instead of giving reads or generating content yourself.
On another note, I'm not sure why everyone is changing their read on Kary; I think that even if you don't agree with him, he's definitely been looking at intent and was trying to scumhunt when he stated his reads on Swiss. Especially statements like this:
@Joey/Masquerain: I seemed more confident before, because I had things to work with. My read wasn't any better but I had something to push Swiss with, which I felt would clear up that read one way or another. Now I have to find new things to work with.
@WashedLaundry: I have very little meta on Swiss, and I don't really care how he normally plays because he can easily just use that in his defence; I was trying to read past his play to his thought process. I have no clue as to the thought process on his vote on me.
It's not about being wrong about Kuz, a bunch of people did that; it's whether they really were wrong- why they were pushing Kuz. I don't have much to push Adum with right now anyhow.
Where he says he's trying to read past Swiss' play and understand his thought process make sense and I liked his efforts at scumhunting even if I don't agree with them.
My two strongest scumreads right now are JDietz and RR.
I'm staying on the JDietz toDay unless I have to move my vote to prevent a NL because I'm not convinced that Adumb is scum.
