Team Rocket Mafia from the Disco Room: DGames Reject Copy

[Purple]

You don't look like scum for doing something town should do regardless. My post is just pushing us in the right direction.

FoS : Ndayday

 

[DtJ Jungle]

My thoughts change based on flips, plus most of the people i had stuff to answer for are dead now anyway, so i'd have to redo it

Roxy's right, everyone should do a reread. We have confirmed (Dead) townies now and we should go back and reread their play as such and see if we can't find anythign that stick out.

On that note, I have finals this upcoming week, which include 3 papers, a presentation, two written exams and an oral exam. I'll do what I can this weekend, concerning this game.

 

[ndayday]

Roxy, I agree with you on going back and reading. There's no way we could advance without that, lol.
What I don't agree with is telling people to do it in a manner like you did. Maybe I'm not explaining it good, here.

let's assume you never said that.
-people carry on how they feel they should as far as info gettin' goes.

you told people to read
-people say they read, maybe not necessarily read since they're mafia, etc.

Wait, maybe I'm just confused. By going back and reading, do you mean for personal benifit or making a post on a person you're suspicious of?

 

[Purple]

You need to post a person you're suspicious of, I'm saying you're showing us, as town, all of the information you have gathered on a person.

 

[DZLE]

FoS: Roxy

This is by memory

I'll look back at everything later BOSS

 

[Purple]

Noice . I'm excited to read

 

[rPSIvysaur]

Elder Sister has recieved a prod​

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[Elder Sister]

Whoa you srs?
man, time flies.


as for jungle

I wonder why he's still alive.
I mean, he's a very experienced/good player and thus could be a huge threat to mafia in endgame
(he's more likely to figure them out and , imo, he has enough charisma to get a wagon rolling/get people to vote since his arguments are mostly quite convincing, etc)

So i wonder why mafia hasn't attempted to kill him yet?

there are 2 possibilities:
a) he's scum
b) he's town: mafia wants to eliminate the other townies first and mafia wants town to lynch jungle by the logic that i've mentioned above (which would mean they just mindgamed me hard)

there's also the frown buddying and the inheritance of spire which leads me to
vote: Jungle


@ marvin

what do you think about not shooting this night?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Inheritance of spire? Maybe you Could elaborate On that Please?

 

[Purple]

Weird question if you ask me. All I'd like to say is that talking is the greatest benefit for town. Knowing this, there's no way scum would just lurk and try to take things easy.

This is a very true statement however. He says the same thing in the next message.

For the record, here is the second time he brings this up.

Just waiting around won't do us any good. Scum can easily cruise by us if we let that happen.

So far, this is the third page of the trek of a re-read I have to do, he has yet to ask any questions towards anyone so far. I can only considering him being contradictory rightnow.

I have played on /nl/, but the players are a lot worse there than they are here. I have been scum once in about 10+ games, never Indy.What does this comment have to do with anything? He's randomly bringing up his recording of being townie to scum. Perhaps this is his way to make himself look more town by saying "hey, here's how little i've been scum!" Or perhaps he's just ranting. I performed very badly as scum, to be quite honest. I'm here too to learn from better players, so you could very well consider me a first time player.

Closed set ups I usually don't bother trying to find out which role everyone has - this doesn't benefit me or town in any way. In my eyes, someone is either town or scum: I don't really care what kind of "extra's" you might (or might not) have. I also feel that anybody trying to find out somebody else's role, that's pretty scummy behavior.This is bad to go off of, generally speaking. Some indies are needed to be lynched before town can win. With this being known, I'm not saying this is a scum-tell, however I am saying that this is the wrong way to think of mafia.

I believe I answered your questions, but if there's a part I missed, feel free to tell me.

Nothing wrong with a little fluff here and there, but this is the next post of 's posting barrage, a post telling Jungle to feel free to respond if there's more questions needs to be asked. Perhaps to make himself look kinder and potentially buddy with Jungle.


Now here comes the big cheese (not really)

What mattnumbers said was the first thing that explicitly stood out as suspicious to me.

@Jungle: Been trying to post but 502 and 504 are giving me trouble posting.

FoS: Matt#'s

Sticks his neck out, but not too far. It's just an FoS on Matt over something Matt said that was scummy, please note that continues not to ask questions, just puts an FoS there. He doesn't even point out what matt said in particular that is a problem.


Here's a doozy

The point was clear, Frown.

Was the point really clear? Fragbait caught up to this "slip up" and voted Frown immediately. Didn't seem to want to put any pressure on Frown and kept the conversation light.

With Frown's flip as mafia, might this have been a screw up on 's behalf?

Here's another screw up

Why are you putting us up for a WIFOM on the situation?

This is his comment on Matt's...

If I were scum, why would I say that directly after multiple people comment on how playing that way makes you seem scummy?

Good point out on Matt's WIFOM situation! However didn't Frown post this..?

And if I WERE mafia, WHY in the name of anything would I want to kill of a person who doesn't post at all?

Just a bit more WIFOM. However seemed to have missed this.

Or perhaps he ignored it.

I will have more to post in a while, i'm going section by section, however this is enough for me to vote

 

[Purple]

EBWOP: This is only a mere section of my Re-Read on . I'm a lazy bum and only did 5 pages on 40ppp, however i feel this is a pretty good place to start.

just in case

unvote
vote:
@ Elder sister - that's a very good point to bring up. However they could be assuming that there is a potential doc, who is protecting bungle. who knows.

 

[:034:]

I've finally got some time to post properly. Roxy, it's EXTREMELY hard to comment on anything you wrote when it's in the quote brackets. Please refrain from doing so next time.

What does this comment have to do with anything? He's randomly bringing up his recording of being townie to scum. Perhaps this is his way to make himself look more town by saying "hey, here's how little i've been scum!" Or perhaps he's just ranting.

Travis asked me if I had played before and how often I was scum in those games. I answered.

Just a bit more WIFOM. However seemed to have missed this.

Or perhaps he ignored it.

Why WOULDN'T scum lynch someone who barely talks. Less information for town after the nightkill, so that people have less to work on.

Are those the two points you have against me? I'd be happy to answer more question or respond to certain points, but right now it seems like you only have a very vague suspicion of me.

 

[Purple]

How is it hard to comment on them? That's fine that you answered the questions, however you also went into detail about how you were bad scum in those games, however you were never indy, etc. Things that he generally did not ask you.

You seem to be missing the main problem I have with you, your association with Frown. While it's small amounts of conversation, you threw up some red flags to me.


For one, scum would never 'lynch' people who don't talk, they would 'kill' them during the nightphase.

Generally speaking, the fact that he even pointed out "why in the world would mafia do this" even though he is very new in the mafia game scene, should've been scummy, infact i wish i saw this earlier and i voted him instead of matt.

For two, The main point I was telling you was that Mattnumbers and Frown both added WIFOM and confusion. However you were entirely latched onto Mattnumbers for most of the day, and me a bit later. Commenting on Frown, you did it a calm, friendly manner. With Frown coming up as Mafia I can't let this be ignored. Mattnumbers infact had intention of posting from what it looked like, and he posted a lot for his defense, he was not lurking.

These are not the only points I have on you. As I clearly said I only read to page five.

However I will say your defense is quite lacking.

 

[Elder Sister]

Well. Tbh, i've already thought of that situation. i think it might be dangerous to vote him since this is a lynch or lose situation. Fos would have been another choice, but REALLY that's just as though i would only nudge people and that leads us nowhere.

Posting the Re-read analasys whenever i have the time to. On that note, i only have a psp to surf. Very hard to type on it, i tell ya.
@roxy what's Ebwop?

 

[-Rei-]

sorry i didn't post for a while.

i had school work and went to smash last night.

i have midterms coming up too

i'll post as much as possible.

i'll go back to read some things

but atm

my suspicions are on , roxy, and jungle

i'll have to go back from the start

 

[Purple]

Yes you will Rei, get on it.

@elder - Understandable, at first i thought your FoS on Jungle was your actual re-read, i guess i'm wrong.

I'm going to write down all the FoS's to find potential connections.

 

[Purple]

EBWOP : EBWOP is edit by way of post. Pretty much so people know your 2nd post is editing something in your first post.

 

[:034:]

How is it hard to comment on them? That's fine that you answered the questions, however you also went into detail about how you were bad scum in those games, however you were never indy, etc. Things that he generally did not ask you.

I can't quote them, is why it's hard. Yay, I added some stuff to an answer.

You seem to be missing the main problem I have with you, your association with Frown. While it's small amounts of conversation, you threw up some red flags to me.


For one, scum would never 'lynch' people who don't talk, they would 'kill' them during the nightphase.

Generally speaking, the fact that he even pointed out "why in the world would mafia do this" even though he is very new in the mafia game scene, should've been scummy, infact i wish i saw this earlier and i voted him instead of matt.

For two, The main point I was telling you was that Mattnumbers and Frown both added WIFOM and confusion. However you were entirely latched onto Mattnumbers for most of the day, and me a bit later. Commenting on Frown, you did it a calm, friendly manner. With Frown coming up as Mafia I can't let this be ignored. Mattnumbers infact had intention of posting from what it looked like, and he posted a lot for his defense, he was not lurking.

These are not the only points I have on you. As I clearly said I only read to page five.

However I will say your defense is quite lacking.

What can I say about that? I thought Mattnumbers was scum, I still think you're scum. I didn't think Frown was scum, even you said you didn't notice the slip-up Frown made.

My defense is lacking because your offense isn't all that powerful as you may think. I honestly do not feel very threatened at all... Seems to me like you have no real argument to go on except a few things I said to Frown.

 

[Purple]

Those few things matter, you would think someone you've been talking to would seem suspicious, why were you not scummy of Frown D1 and felt comfortable talking to him?

 

[:034:]

I could ask you the same question, to be quite honest. I also don't just throw around every little suspicion I have.

 

[Purple]

I generally didn't talk to Frown throughout day 1. I guess subconsciously we had it off bad last game (i was maf, he was town, he thought i killed his beloved ES, etc.) and i didn't want to ask him any question and i was too busy talking to others such as mattnumbers. I'm willing to admit that i just didn't talk to everyone equally as much as i should have. Because of that i'm going to have to force myself to pressure other people besides just you, however i'm not finished re-reading you so it's going to have to wait.

Tl;Dr - I'm willing to admit that I just didn't talk to Frown D1. However, you're dodging my question.

 

[:034:]

I wasn't suspicious of Frown because I thought he was still a rather new townie, not yet being able to contribute a whole lot. As such, I read his post, but didn't observe them as carefully as I should have.

 

[Purple]

Page 7 ~

Why would you even mention it would hurt mafia? That's only beneficial to town. Granted, it does make the game a little worse.

Your suspicion on me started from when i brought up mafia would get hurt and it ruins the game. However, this is generally the same thing that frown brought up (making it more obvious he was talking about town killing). I just feel you're ignoring frown and finding whatever to latch on with Town.

"Hurting Mafia" is really specific word choice. If somebody on mafia gets killed you wouldn't say "that's bad for scum".

I just want to point out this is an idiotic reason. I clearly pointed out that it ruins the game, which you agreed with, however you still found that post the only point of reasoning to find me scummy, and not scummy in an FoS sense like Mattnumbers, but scummy enough to vote me altogether

Not at all. If I claim doctor and protect myself, I wouldn't die. Another situation, mafia could choose not to kill the doc in the hope town would lynch the doc as a result.

I don't think we should lynch Jungle, at all. Whether or not Jungle is town doesn't matter, he's still the one who motivates town the most. If Jungle is scum, we will find out eventually, but lynching him day 1 might take away town's motivation to post.

As of now, I think we should be going for a lynch. We still have time to figure out a reasonable lynch. If we can get rid of scum day 1, that would be great, but if we can hit one of the more useless, non-contributing townies, we'll get more information. Mafia will most likely nightkill somebody who doesn't do a whole lot so that town gets left with little info. If we don't lynch on top of that, we won't have anything more to work with day 2.

I'm finding a great deal of 's posts are posts that lead us no where, general conversation that doesn't pressure any particular person. We obviously should be going for a lynch, we've been discussing this for a while. You seemed to be fine for not only killing scum, but killing dumb town. While dumb town is in fact bad to have end-game, should we really be okay with lynching our own town d1?

I've been saying this, too, but there are still two votes on him.
Vote: Mattnumbers

I thought I already had a vote on somebody? Well, it might've gotten lost in a 502 somewhere. :/

Votes mattnumbers without explanation, same way he voted me, except with even LESS information than before.

He had his vote on me beforehand, however it seems he forgot about this at the time of the post, he seems very calm about this.

She.

Matt, you're not being bandwagoned because there are mafia wagoning you. People are voting for you because the things you say are flawed. Well, my vote's already on you, I believe, so I have nothing more to say about that.

How does he know that no mafia are bandwagoning? He still does not explain why he votes Mattnumbers.

I'm going to cut off here and say that he never explains why he votes mattnumbers, even though his vote was in fact, the very first on the mattnumbers bandwagon. He feels as though everyone has already explained why mattnumbers is scummy, therefore he has no reason to explain. Being the first person to vote for him, you would think you would start off the vote with a reasonable explanation in the first place. It sounds like instead you stayed behind the radar and let lythium take the blame of being the bandwagon starter, and by that time you 'were willing' to make the post, mattnumbers was already dead.

Also, i would like to point out you had about 16 hours worth of time to make that post on matt being scummy or not, before i ended it with a hammer.

 

[Purple]

EBWOP : Considering mattnumbers is just as new if not newer than Frown, why didn't matt get the same treatment?

 

[-Rei-]

What mattnumbers said was the first thing that explicitly stood out as suspicious to me.

@Jungle: Been trying to post but 502 and 504 are giving me trouble posting.

FoS: Matt#'s

I could say the same thing but I wont. Laptop and 502 johns. But I drove to my friends today.

And i'll agree with everyone after Matt's post, that does seem like a very suspicious thing to say. Since that's basically what I did alot at the beginning of my time as scum last game, which I benefit from in the end. I'm not saying thats a "tell" that he's scum, it could just be a slip up.

i'll also FoS: Numbahs

from what i see atm

the first to start off on the mattnumbers voting was

possible scum hitting off a townie

then dzle votes also agrees

looking at this in a sk perspective he wants to get the ball rolling in one direction away from himself

 

[:034:]

I've said it before and will mention it again, I believe giving reasons of suspicions will just help scum to know what not to do. We're going back to the same things we've discussed earlier.

 

[:034:]

To point at your other statement, I found Matt scummy, not townie, he might've been a newbie but he seemed very scummy to me. Are you really blaming me for the death of a townie you yourself have hammered?

 

[Purple]

I've said it before and will mention it again, I believe giving reasons of suspicions will just help scum to know what not to do. We're going back to the same things we've discussed earlier.

We've never discussed reasons to be suspicious of you. And , things have already been done by potential scum/town. To say that they won't do it again doesn't matter, because the mistakes have been made, we just need to catch them.

To point at your other statement, I found Matt scummy, not townie, he might've been a newbie but he seemed very scummy to me. Are you really blaming me for the death of a townie you yourself have hammered?

I did hammer him, however I also talked to him about his mistakes and tried to figure him out. I could catch that he was new town. And regardless of how scummy it sounds, I still wanted to hammer him because in the end he would've been bad to have with us end-game, giving mafia something to pressure onto. I even said this D1 if you would like to go back and check this. I can't change what I did, I didn't have any real FoS's i wanted to pressure, and I really wanted to get into a new day.

 

[DZLE]

I'll explain how I feel about not shooting tonight as soon as Jungle explains what his "scenario" is.

Until then, Roxy is on my list. Not enough to vote him though. Yet.

 

[Purple]

You never gave information showing me as scummy.

I'm quite interested what you have, because I'm sure it's a lot.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I can't do math. The situation doesn't exist. my bad.

 

[Purple]

Junglefever, what are you talking about?

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I'll explain how I feel about not shooting tonight as soon as Jungle explains what his "scenario" is.

Until then, Roxy is on my list. Not enough to vote him though. Yet.

^^^ this. the scenario i was thinking of doesn't work because i can't subtract correctly.

 

[Purple]

I see, So junglefever, reads of life, reads of minor inconvienence.. somethings? ;_;

 

[DtJ Jungle]

Right now I'm reading about Pure competition, and how to compute Gross Domestic product and Government Deficit and Surplus.

aka i havent had time to read the game yet cuz, as i said, i have finals next week and am preparing for them. i can keep up with what's going on now but i just dont have the time to reread at the moment.

 

[DZLE]

Was that a threat?

 

[Purple]

DZLE are you taunting me?

 

[DZLE]

Were you taunting me?

 

[Purple]

No i'm just confused, i swore eveyrone was supposed to have some form of information against their FoS, and while i see you posting, i see no information.

I guess i can't really say much, no one else has posted anything :/

 

[DZLE]

Ah, no, i'm not taunting you then.

I just have a feeling you're scum. But it's just a feeling right now.

That's not enough. Every time I get a free minute I skim through your past posts but can't find anything that's omgus worthy

So for now, Gotta wait for others