Taylor Swift, not Technology is the Threat to the Next Generation

[Mr. Rogu]

Lady Gaga? what the ****? who's that and why does she have gaga in her name she couldn't think of anything better?

you dont want to know man. lets just say shes a horrible influence on the younger generation and leave it at that.

i know, gaga? really? she probably heard a baby say that and then be like "oh thats my name now!"

 

[Morrigan]

lets just say shes a horrible influence on the younger generation

Out of everything nowadays...
this site is probably a worse influence to young generations than a song expressing a desire to ride on a disco stick.

 

[B.Link]

Blast from the motherf*cking past.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xiqi5_jewel-you-were-meant-for-me_music

They have similar sounding titles: "You Were Meant for Me" vs. "You Belong to Me." Slightly different handling though, I suppose.

Edit:


Or I could perform my own.

Or listen to death metal to make it go away.

Don't have much to say on the subject. Taylor Swift's music isn't really my thing, but I guess some people relate to it somehow.

Edit 2:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkbrx_jewel-intuition_music

Okay, I just realized what that song is about. She's satirizing the rise of the commercialized hyper-sexualized female pop idol. I am really slow this decade. Don't ask me any questions about pop culture. *headdesk*

I'll take the death metal please at least i get to listen to some of the music i like =]

 

[B.Link]

you dont want to know man. lets just say shes a horrible influence on the younger generation and leave it at that.

i know, gaga? really? she probably heard a baby say that and then be like "oh thats my name now!"

Dam dude you make it sound like she needs to be shot or something =] and i agree she probably couldn't think of a better name than "gaga"

 

[DtJ Glyphmoney]

B.Link, don't double post, just edit if you have more to say.

And I'm not sure how you managed to not hear about Lady Gaga. Crazy stuff.

 

[Omis]

Dam dude you make it sound like she needs to be shot or something =] and i agree she probably couldn't think of a better name than "gaga"

It comes from the famous Queen song Radio Gaga /the more you know

 

[B.Link]

B.Link, don't double post, just edit if you have more to say.

And I'm not sure how you managed to not hear about Lady Gaga. Crazy stuff.

again i have no television what so ever i listen to my ipod on my way to school and all my friends listen to rock so i didn't know who she was until now and sorry about the double post

 

[PassWurD]

People are obviously just jealous that she gets to keep Taylor Lautner's hottttyyy bodyy

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Pretty sure they broke up.

 

[PassWurD]

Oh that's no fun.

 

[LordoftheMorning]

Okay, my first reaction to this blog is this:

I've never really heard any of her work, but I really can't believe that you can say that an artist has "no talent". Show business is an extremely difficult field to break ground in, and if you can, the chances are that you're amazing at what you do. From the side of production, and composition, everything looks different. It's one thing to listen to a song and say "that was crap", and it's something else entirely to become an artist with more popularity than that particular artist has. Much of it is luck-based, but at the same time, it takes copious amounts of sheer ability. You can dislike an artist to your heart's content, but saying someone has no talent makes me a little indignant.

 

[B.Link]

Okay, my first reaction to this blog is this:

I've never really heard any of her work, but I really can't believe that you can say that an artist has "no talent". Show business is an extremely difficult field to break ground in, and if you can, the chances are that you're amazing at what you do. From the side of production, and composition, everything looks different. It's one thing to listen to a song and say "that was crap", and it's something else entirely to become an artist with more popularity than that particular artist has. Much of it is luck-based, but at the same time, it takes copious amounts of sheer ability. You can dislike an artist to your heart's content, but saying someone has no talent makes me a little indignant.

she literally has no talent record companies these days take anyone whether their musics good or not point is the newer people are destroying real music say what you want but thats my opinion

 

[El Nino]

Show business is an extremely difficult field to break ground in

Yes.

and if you can, the chances are that you're amazing at what you do.

Not really.

You can dislike an artist to your heart's content, but saying someone has no talent makes me a little indignant.

It's a subjective statement, and an opinion that the OP is entitled to, right? I'm sure that it takes hard work to do what performers like Swift do. However, that doesn't mean they have musical talent. I am a hardworking technician, but I don't think I have much talent for it. I try to make up for it through effort, but someone who really does have talent for what I do could do it much better than me.

I'm not really an insider to the entertainment industry, but I know some people on the outer fringes of it. Marketability is key, more than talent, since "talent" is a hazy subjective concept that doesn't necessarily produce the numbers needed to sustain operation costs. A person with the right marketability can be trained to make up for what they lack in talent.

Also, it takes talent to recognize talent. That is, those highly skilled in music are more likely to pick out the intricacies in a piece; they are also more likely to recognize something that is mediocre, just dressed up in high level production. Of course, the majority of the audience is not likely to be scholars of whatever art form they are indulging themselves in. So, you could say it's almost mandatory that the things that are popular, that sell well, have to be "middle of the road" to appeal to the mainstream.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that (I have zero musical talent myself and can't tell the difference between manufactured crap and something truly innovative; predictably, I also listen to the radio), and I'm not saying any of that necessarily applies to Taylor Swift. I just felt like going on about...about nothing, now that I think about it. *fails*

 

[B.Link]

Yes.



Not really.



It's a subjective statement, and an opinion that the OP is entitled to, right? I'm sure that it takes hard work to do what performers like Swift do. However, that doesn't mean they have musical talent. I am a hardworking technician, but I don't think I have much talent for it. I try to make up for it through effort, but someone who really does have talent for what I do could do it much better than me.

I'm not really an insider to the entertainment industry, but I know some people on the outer fringes of it. Marketability is key, more than talent, since "talent" is a hazy subjective concept that doesn't necessarily produce the numbers needed to sustain operation costs. A person with the right marketability can be trained to make up for what they lack in talent.

Also, it takes talent to recognize talent. That is, those highly skilled in music are more likely to pick out the intricacies in a piece; they are also more likely to recognize something that is mediocre, just dressed up in high level production. Of course, the majority of the audience is not likely to be scholars of whatever art form they are indulging themselves in. So, you could say it's almost mandatory that the things that are popular, that sell well, have to be "middle of the road" to appeal to the mainstream.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that (I have zero musical talent myself and can't tell the difference between manufactured crap and something truly innovative; predictably, I also listen to the radio), and I'm not saying any of that necessarily applies to Taylor Swift. I just felt like going on about...about nothing, now that I think about it. *fails*

its alright man everyone fails sometimes =]

 

[Morrigan]

its alright man everyone fails sometimes =]

What are you implying?

 

[B.Link]

What are you implying?

that everyone fails nothing more to say

 

[Dre89]

The pop industry is primarily about marketability. The reaosn why it's so hard to get in is because there is not much opportunity, it's not as if all the musicians who aren't in it are significantly less talented.

If you didn't know who Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus and Britney Spears were, and put them in a pool of 100 young attractive girls with half decent voices, you wouldn't specifically pick those three amongst the rest of them for stardom.

Same goes for someone like Nichole Kidman or Jennifer Anniston for acting auditions. If you didn't know who they were, yeah you'd think they're good actors, but all of all the actors there you wouldn't think those specific two desvered to immediately be thrown into Hollywood .

Entertainment does require a degree of talent obivously, but it;'s more down to opportunity and marketability. There are countless numbers of people who could easily fill the roles of our current stars.

 

[Firus]

What are you implying?

Read the last sentence of El Nino's post.

 

[Sucumbio]

The pop industry is primarily about marketability. The reaosn why it's so hard to get in is because there is not much opportunity, it's not as if all the musicians who aren't in it are significantly less talented.

If you didn't know who Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus and Britney Spears were, and put them in a pool of 100 young attractive girls with half decent voices, you wouldn't specifically pick those three amongst the rest of them for stardom.

Same goes for someone like Nichole Kidman or Jennifer Anniston for acting auditions. If you didn't know who they were, yeah you'd think they're good actors, but all of all the actors there you wouldn't think those specific two desvered to immediately be thrown into Hollywood .

Entertainment does require a degree of talent obivously, but it;'s more down to opportunity and marketability. There are countless numbers of people who could easily fill the roles of our current stars.

This.

People often don't realize just how the biz works... it's all so glamours sounding, but it's TONS of work, and very unforgiving if you're not up to the challenge. Her popularity can be attributed to two major things.

Myspace.

former DreamWorks Records executive Scott Borchetta, owner of label, Big Machine Records.

Myspace popularity takes... talent. And b00bs.

powerhouse labels take the act, from out the bar, the coffee shop, the web space... and plaster it on the radio.

Ya know how much you have to spend to get played on the radio? I do. When I first caught exec's attention w/my album release, I got tons of offers. Radio time, venues, web-support, the works. But it all costs big money. You don't get a loan for that ****, when you're done you're talking tens of thousands a DAY. Every. Day. >< No F way I could afford that ****, still can't, lol. A big time label -will- float that bill, however, because 1.) They already know you're popular. If you're bringing in crowds like she did on Myspace, or filling up your venue if you're a live act, and bringing in 5k a week or so, yeah, they'll pick you up, and make you a star. But to make that happen, and not have to invest tons of your own money, you gotta be talented AND popular. The independent online music scene really did change lots of things. MP3s ... record sales ... yeah, things changed. But for the big execs, all that changed was the angle of approach.

 

[Oracle]

Meh. Mainstream audiences' taste in music sucks. Not much you can do about it, sadly.

 

[Nixernator]

I'd rather Taylor Swift's message than the rest of the hyper sexualized entertainment industrie's message actually. True, her music isn't exactly what I like, but she has her heart in the right spot obviously. I fail to see how you can hate on her Message when you have people out there preaching gang life, robbing stuff, killing people and the like. Or even other pop idols dressed in very provocative clothing with sex centred lyrics (remember "If you seek amy" by Britney Spears? 12 year olds listen to that). That is a far worse message to the younger generations in my opinion than Taylor Swift.

Thats why I listen to heaps of skip-hop, I like their lyrics and sound =).

 

[Clint_Eastwood]

I stopped reading after you said Shakespeare was good at verbally pwning people... so stupid.

 

[Jam Stunna]

The "pop" in "pop music" stands for popular, not good. That's not to say that the terms are mututally exclusive, but pop music is clearly designed to sell records, not make a lasting artistic impression. If it does the latter, that's merely a bonus.

I'm not one of those people who believe that all art is created equal, because clearly it's not. I even believe that to some degree, art can be objectively quantified in terms of its value (in the most general sense possible). However, it frustrates me to no end when people complain about things that don't fit into categories that they were obviously not designed to. It's like complaining about candy being bad for you. Well, duh. Candy is made to be sweet, not provide you with essential vitamins and minerals. Not liking pop music is one thing, but expecting it to do something that it wasn't made to is quite another.



Something I also find really interesting in this thread is the puritanical backlash to the "hypersexualization" of media. But that's a topic for another thread.

 

[HoN3Y64]

The "pop" in "pop music" stands for popular, not good. That's not to say that the terms are mututally exclusive, but pop music is clearly designed to sell records, not make a lasting artistic impression. If it does the latter, that's merely a bonus.

I'm not one of those people who believe that all art is created equal, because clearly it's not. I even believe that to some degree, art can be objectively quantified in terms of its value (in the most general sense possible). However, it frustrates me to no end when people complain about things that don't fit into categories that they were obviously not designed to. It's like complaining about candy being bad for you. Well, duh. Candy is made to be sweet, not provide you with essential vitamins and minerals. Not liking pop music is one thing, but expecting it to do something that it wasn't made to is quite another.



Something I also find really interesting in this thread is the puritanical backlash to the "hypersexualization" of media. But that's a topic for another thread.

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[GHNeko]

+3 rep to Jaaaammmm Stunnnaaa for winning this thread

 

[Lord Exor]

Lyrics suck. Join me in the fight against lyrical music.

 

[GHNeko]

Hey hey. Instrumentals are tight and ****, but lyrical music can be tight too

 

[Firus]

Hey hey. Instrumentals are tight and ****, but lyrical music can be tight too

This.

Both kinds of music are great, I decide what to listen to based on my mood. To eliminate either kind entirely isn't a very good idea.

 

[Lord Exor]

To eliminate either kind entirely isn't a very good idea.

Please expound upon why this isn't a very good idea.

 

[GHNeko]

Because when lyricals are done right they draw out far more emotion than instrumentals coudl do at their highest caliber?

I get way more emotional when listening to Various vesions of Vesti La Gubba and Ave Maria than any instrumental I have in my 7k+ song collection which contains a **** load of instrumentals/lyric-less songs.

 

[Minwu]

lyrical music can be tight too

I'm suffocating.


In seriousness, maybe you should endeavor towards getting into written poetry.

 

[Lord Exor]

Because when lyricals are done right they draw out far more emotion than instrumentals coudl do at their highest caliber?

Oh I see. Because being spoon fed the meaning of a song provides a premium emotional experience.

 

[Morrigan]

Because when lyricals are done right they draw out far more emotion than instrumentals coudl do at their highest caliber?

I get way more emotional when listening to Various vesions of Vesti La Gubba and Ave Mario than any instrumental I have in my 7k+ song collection which contains a **** load of instrumentals/lyric-less songs.

"Ave Mario"?

lol.

 

[GHNeko]

I'm suffocating.


In seriousness, maybe you should endeavor towards getting into written poetry.

Hahaha. Slip of the tongue. I normally don't let slang slip into what I type. And I used to write poetry but I stopped. I just sorta let my mind wander from time to time and decide if I should share my thoughts or not.

Oh I see. Because being spoon fed the meaning of a song provides a premium emotional experience.

Wait what? How is that being spoon fed? If anything, instrumentals can do the same thing and spoon feed emotional experience to its listener. When an instrumental is obviously sad, its obviously sad. Duh.

"Ave Mario"?

lol.

FFFFFFFFFF


****ing smash brothers

 

[Lord Exor]

Wait what? How is that being spoon fed? If anything, instrumentals can do the same thing and spoon feed emotional experience to its listener. When an instrumental is obviously sad, its obviously sad. Duh.

Which is enough. General sadness is fine--and I do enjoy sad music--but hearing about some random person's emotional problems, expressed through a poem set to music, isn't. Is this more emotionally compelling to you because you share similar experiences? Why does it resonate with you as you hear this being spewed from some random person? You don't need to externalize your problems through someone else's lyrics to express your sorrow. Your sorrow is your own, and instrumental music can complement that without substituting your own problems with another person's.

 

[GHNeko]

Oh god I'm not referring to the kind of lyrical music that tells someone's story ....

but rather....

Lyrical music that tells a story....

The kind of lyrics I prefer are the ones that speak in a sense that you're not listening to someone talking about their day but rather...


The kind of lyrics that speak emotion without saying who does said emotion belong to.

 

[Jam Stunna]

Which is enough. General sadness is fine--and I do enjoy sad music--but hearing about some random person's emotional problems, expressed through a poem set to music, isn't. Is this more emotionally compelling to you because you share similar experiences? Why does it resonate with you as you hear this being spewed from some random person? You don't need to externalize your problems through someone else's lyrics to express your sorrow. Your sorrow is your own, and instrumental music can complement that without substituting your own problems with another person's.

What about the artists' desire to express explicit meaning through words?

 

[Lord Exor]

What about the artists' desire to express explicit meaning through words?

Like I should care for their crude poetry.

 

[Firus]

Like I should care for their crude poetry.

Hey guys, rejecting the entirety of humanity as inferior because they are trying to express themselves at all is cool.

/sarcasm

You're stereotyping all lyrical music as "WAAAH WHY DID YOU LEAVE ME I'M SORRY I CHEATED ON YOU WITH YOUR MOTHER WAAAAH", which is a horrible mistake.

It's also likely one that you're making because you make no effort to listen to lyrical music, have listened to like, 2 songs off the radio and have decided that all lyrical music is crap.

If you want to be close-minded, feel free, just don't act as if lyrical music is so "crude" just because you think it's cool to reject it.

 

[El Nino]

What about the artists' desire to express explicit meaning through words?

I think we've been over this before. Words are inferior to instrumental music. The end.

The human voice was probably the first musical instrument, but whatevas.

Like I should care for their crude poetry.

"I tried so hard and got so far

"But in the end...."

How are you not moved? I am moved. Deeply.

More seriously, I have a friend who would agree with you, whether you were speaking in jest or not. But then, some people only gravitate to certain types of things. Maybe he only likes piano concertos. But I am a sucker for vocals. Words kind of come about through use of the voice to make song.

I am also a fan of screaming and breaking bottles. Just so we're clear.