Taking up falco to cover my ***.

[CR4SH]

OKs, Luigi is fun, luigi is great. Luigi is NOT a standalone tournament character. Thusly, I needs me a backup.

In other words, hey falco, get these bogeys off my tail.

I have trouble with D3 (zomg infinite), MK (zomg worse than infinite), Rob and to a much lesser extent GW/Marth. Also the fact that falco's game is (from what I know) entirely opposite of luigi's is appealing.

So I'm looking for some insight as to what parts of falco's game I should really be putting my effort into (other than everything). How important is it for me to learn to use the dash attack? As a luigi main, I stay away from DA like the mother****ing plague. I'm a bit worried getting too used to it could lead to bad things. Also, what do you guys think of the aforementioned matchups.

Advice?

 

[XxBlackxX]

um....matchup discussion thread?
read the stickies before asking what "falco's game" is all about?
sorry if i sound like a jerk, but really, i can't really answer your question if you're being this vague. because if you want to win, you gotta understand everything about him, THEN pick out which aspects you'd like to "focus"on. but it's ALWAYS better to know and consider ALL of your options.
read the stickies, then maybe ask on what specific part of falco's game you need help on.
or give us vids to critique.

 

[clowsui]

cr4sh just watch light and spec play failco
also the next time we play i'll give you advice -_-
you should've just PM'd me >_>

actually you should just play GW, like ALL the characters in louisville have trouble w/ him (except MK), and regionally there's very few good ones

 

[Denzi]

um....matchup discussion thread?

is out of date.

I can give you some matchup advice, but "Falco's game" has too much to it for it to be summarized here. I'd read threads, watch vids (very helpful), and ask any specific qusestions in the Q&A thread.

MK vs Falco: it's about 50:50, but if the MK is a planking ***, then it's 55:45 MK.

Falco vs ROB: I'm not too sure about this one (we haven't really gone over it well enough), but ROB probably has a 55:45 advantage because Falco gets ***** offstage.

D3 vs Falco: we beat him out pretty easily, it's possibly as much as 60:40 us.

G&W vs Falco: 50:50.

Marth vs Falco: You might as well stay Luigi (unless you have magic SK92 powers). Marth is one of Falco's toughest matchups, with Kirby and the IC's being the only ones I can think of that are worse.

On a final note, don't not laser like some new Falco's do. There pretty much the reason Falco's where he is on the tier list. Welcome to the Falco boards

 

[clowsui]

I disagree, lasers are easy to implement into your game and are much easier to develop as opposed to your other tools. I see a lot more Falcos use their ground moves and aerials with bad spacing/in the incorrect situations.

Learn your tilts, aerials and smashes and then focus on lasers.

 

[Denzi]

I disagree, lasers are easy to implement into your game and are much easier to develop as opposed to your other tools. I see a lot more Falcos use their ground moves and aerials with bad spacing/in the incorrect situations.

Learn your tilts, aerials and smashes and then focus on lasers.

I didn't say that they're difficult to use, just that they're important. Spacing is obviously important with all characters, so I didn't think I had to point that out. As for which moves should be used in which situations, that just comes with practice/by using Falco.

 

[Vlade]

Just watched that SK92 vs DEHF (marth) match.

My eyeballs were popping out of their sockets....

 

[Ugg]

Just watched that SK92 vs DEHF (marth) match.

My eyeballs were popping out of their sockets....

No kidding.
As for your dash attack question, it's pretty useful if cancelled into an upsmash during the dash attack by dash attacking, then while you're hitting your opponent doing an upsmash as fast as possible, if you already know this then sorry xD

 

[Nexus Bond]

is out of date.

I can give you some matchup advice, but "Falco's game" has too much to it for it to be summarized here. I'd read threads, watch vids (very helpful), and ask any specific qusestions in the Q&A thread.

MK vs Falco: it's about 50:50, but if the MK is a planking ***, then it's 55:45 MK.

Falco vs ROB: I'm not too sure about this one (we haven't really gone over it well enough), but ROB probably has a 55:45 advantage because Falco gets ***** offstage.

D3 vs Falco: we beat him out pretty easily, it's possibly as much as 60:40 us.

G&W vs Falco: 50:50.

Marth vs Falco: You might as well stay Luigi (unless you have magic SK92 powers). Marth is one of Falco's toughest matchups, with Kirby and the IC's being the only ones I can think of that are worse.

On a final note, don't not laser like some new Falco's do. There pretty much the reason Falco's where he is on the tier list. Welcome to the Falco boards

There cannot be a way that R.O.B is a worse matchup than G&W. I am almost certain that Falco's worst disadvantages are IC's, Kirby, G&W, and Meta Knight. I may be going on outgoing information here, so please correct me if I am wrong, Denzi, since I understand that you are a very knowledgeable Falco main from your contributions to these boards, which I have noticed as a lurker.

 

[Denzi]

There cannot be a way that R.O.B is a worse matchup than G&W. I am almost certain that Falco's worst disadvantages are IC's, Kirby, G&W, and Meta Knight. I may be going on outgoing information here, so please correct me if I am wrong, Denzi, since I understand that you are a very knowledgeable Falco main from your contributions to these boards, which I have noticed as a lurker.

They're about the same, 55:45 them. I don't even really remember why, but most of the G&W matchup discussion agrees with that (the Falco BRoom says the same thing).

Out of all characters, Falco actually has one of the best matchups vs MK.

 

[XxBlackxX]

There cannot be a way that R.O.B is a worse matchup than G&W. I am almost certain that Falco's worst disadvantages are IC's, Kirby, G&W, and Meta Knight. I may be going on outgoing information here, so please correct me if I am wrong, Denzi, since I understand that you are a very knowledgeable Falco main from your contributions to these boards, which I have noticed as a lurker.

ROB may indeed be worse than GnW. but imo they are both around 50:50s, so differences of opinions are understandable. personally i find ROB harder as well.
with a GnW, his attacks are pretty telegraphed, and is one of the hardest characters to be unpredictable with, so if you are patient and keep your spacing, all is good. not to mention that the bucket is overrated. you can still use lasers, just not spam them mindlessly. in fact, baiting the bucket at close range can be a good idea if you see them over-using it.
the only thing to watch for in the GnW matchup is his aerial prowess. i find using the shine in this matchup helps a lot....because of the priority the shine has, it can hit GnW out of his aerials. of course, his offstage game is greater than falco's as well, so i would avoid fighting him in the air and offstage. also, he is fairly light, so falco shouldn't have that hard of a time landing the KO. a solid hit from his smashes, though, WILL send you flying at low percents, so watch out for that. other than that, not much to mention except that you have to tech his dthrow correctly or he gets a free smash in. i think it's pretty even because whoever makes the least mistakes will most likely win


...as for the ROB matchup, i don't have a lot of experience with it whereas i play a GnW user pretty regularly, so im kinda hoping some else will try to get a summary, but i guess if no one else wants to, i could try to write one. it will be mostly theorycrafting though.

 

[zamz]

There cannot be a way that R.O.B is a worse matchup than G&W. I am almost certain that Falco's worst disadvantages are IC's, Kirby, G&W, and Meta Knight. I may be going on outgoing information here, so please correct me if I am wrong, Denzi, since I understand that you are a very knowledgeable Falco main from your contributions to these boards, which I have noticed as a lurker.

The big confusion stems from old information. The earlier Falco consensus (from around 5-6 months ago) had GaW as our -hardest- match-up somewhere around 30:70. GaW was considered our only "hard counter."

These days, we've found that's simply not true. Characters like Marth and Kirby have taken GaW's place. And now, the match-up is considered relatively even (last I heard 55:45 GaW's favor) by both boards, including Sethlon and Hylian.

 

[Vlade]

I'd have to agree that kirby and IC's are our hardest match-ups.

I also struggle with ROB, since I have a bad habit of not camping.

 

[Runawayfire]

IC's are easily the hardest of our matchups, Kirby while next in line, isn't nearly as hard as them.

 

[Nefarious B]

I'm a ROB main and from what I've experienced Falco definitely wins the camping game because of the cooldown on ROB's laser, while Falco can spam endlessly. Add in the shine and ROB is the one forced to approach.

Since most ROBs play campy this will take them out of their game from the getgo, although I tend to play mine more aggressively than most. They may choose to plank instead of approach, I'm not sure how Falco would beat that, maybe a bair stage spike?

I do know that your CG>Dair spike wont work well against ROB, he seems tough to CG in the first place, and his Bup laughs at spikes ( 2:20 of this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftkRMfJcQjU&feature=PlayList&p=B7B1C5FE534E57D1&index=3). In the air ROB definitely has the advantage, I would say spam laser and don't let him set up and camp.

A good ROB will go for gimps, since killability is one of his major weaknesses, so as long as you stay spaced and don't let yourself be gimped easily you should do fine. I'd call it a 55:45 in Falco's favor if you camp, since it wrecks the game plan most ROBs come in with, however some may disagree with me.

 

[vKo]

Chaingrab -> Spike kills me when it comes to Rob because of the fact that he won't stay down.
That **** Wall-E can eat up a Diddy Kong vAir -> Barrel Boost near the triple digit percents..
And still hover back to safety.
It's usually a gamble with ROB because he ***** so hard offstage.

And with Falco's Firebird sucking so hard (even though he's a bird, yet the penguin gets five jumps? :/ ), I'll take fighting Game and Watch anyday.

It's just better to know you went toe to toe with G&W - avoiding overpowered smashes, back and forward aerial fighting and sticking and moving..
Then to take away a ROB's camping and do pretty well against him, all to have you take an aerial to the face and watch miserably as Falco shoot into flames, fly up bout the size of his body and fall back down to his doom.

It makes me wish that they applied logic to the fact that he's a bird.
Then I remember that I'm playing a game where bounty hunters curl into tiny balls, creating bombs to hurt a penguin in a robe.

 

[neji32]

Rob can be tougher than you would expect cr4sh. I lost to eric in the crew battle......
just dont roll much against him and try to use falco just to get a feel for him first, so when you actually start reading about him you already have an idea of what to do

 

[CR4SH]

Wow, good **** falco boards.

After I read the first post I figured I wasn't going to get alot of help. I finished reading the other half of the stickies I hadn't finished and got to getting a falco feel. This all sounds very encouraging. I should be able to cover most of my bad matchups with him. Especially since my main problem with luigi is getting thrown out of range when I get into it (rob dsmash, gw UDFtilt, MK ****). So I guess I'm going to camp the crap out of everyone Luigi can't aggro, with lazer spamathons.

Look forward to it =D.

Also, spec, next time I see you I want to play alot of friendlies against your MK with my falco. You're required to correct my mistakes.

 

[8AngeL8]

Falco board is the best board on this site. <3

 

[Exceladon City]

Wow, good **** falco boards.

After I read the first post I figured I wasn't going to get alot of help. I finished reading the other half of the stickies I hadn't finished and got to getting a falco feel. This all sounds very encouraging. I should be able to cover most of my bad matchups with him. Especially since my main problem with luigi is getting thrown out of range when I get into it (rob dsmash, gw UDFtilt, MK ****). So I guess I'm going to camp the crap out of everyone Luigi can't aggro, with lazer spamathons.

Look forward to it =D.

Also, spec, next time I see you I want to play alot of friendlies against your MK with my falco. You're required to correct my mistakes.

Yeah I've kinda been on the Falco bandwagon, but I haven't really pursued using him. I have a few techs down but I haven't really gotten a good grasp on Falco's playing style. Spec, next time you're in The Ville think we could run some dittos so you can give me some tips and possibly grade my Falco.

 

[Mith_]

just know that falco's dtaunt is wayy better than luigi's.

anyways, don't worry about practicing boostsmashing and phantasm cancelling right now. just l2p falco and once you've learn the FUNdamentals (SHLs are fundamentals for falco lol, and learn kill percentages and basic strings) then you should have no problem learning the ish we get threads about every day.

 

[Denzi]

Wow, good **** falco boards.

Yeah. we're pretty awesome

magic SK92 powers

Quoting myself for the people who didn't see it.

 

[Light_13]

.....WowIm switching mains

 

[Mith_]

Yeah. we're pretty awesome



Quoting myself for the people who didn't see it.

WHAT THE HELL MAN.

SK92 cheated.

 

[MyCurse4Life]

Falco is of heck of a bird