SWF Ubers Cup II [Dream World Ubers Tourney] - Congratulations ss118!

[CT Chia]

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i dont have a team rdy and dont feel like making one or following rules 5 and 11

 

[Wrath`]

Rule 11 I get, but rule 5? You don't like best 2 out of 3?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Rule 11 I get, but rule 5? You don't like best 2 out of 3?

It's funny because he plays Brawl.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Bo1 or Bo3 are both not bad. Each have their advantages, but Bo3 seems better for tournament play in general, just because it introduces longer-term reads in playing. It's like saying "no counterpicks" in a set of melee, nobody does that lol

 

[CT Chia]

I mean it's not bad, but I don't think it really fits pokemon

counterpicking in pokemon is a complete mind screw
Either you have a rule where only the loser can change his/her team and it's completely broken as desigining a team to counter a specific one in pokemon is very easy and way too effective, or you let both players change their team and it becomes a mind screw with well if he changes it to counter this then i'l counter that counter's counter and if he does this then i'll be prepared with that, etc

 

[Wrath`]

Or be a real man and just use the same team both rounds all matches like me. Then again that might be why I don't make it far....oh well.

 

[Circa]

Rule 11 I get, but rule 5? You don't like best 2 out of 3?

My reasoning is almost the same as Chibo's, except in the case of most people it's just shooting blindly for your second and third rounds as opposed to counterpicking. And if you're just shooting blindly then you might as well just play one round, because that's all the others are going to look like anyway.

It's funny because he plays Brawl.

They have a counterpick system that can actually function in a way that makes sense. Pokemon doesn't (and for the most part can't) have that. The only way to really do that is to only run one team the entire tournament and have two or three Pokemon (full sets) on the side that you can sub in for ones on your current team at the end of the match; loser being the only one allowed to do so. But then you have to keep track of who used what and it could become a huge hassle for the person running the tournament, not to mention the fact that some people like to switch things up half way through the tournament or something.

Or be a real man and just use the same team both rounds all matches like me. Then again that might be why I don't make it far....oh well.

Probably.

 

[Gates]

Are you guys really just now complaining about a rule that we've had for every PC tourney ever?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Are you guys really just now complaining about a rule that we've had for every PC tourney ever?

Read "guys" as ChiboSempai.

 

[Wave⁂]

Chibo isn't complaining, he bringing up a point that we've taken for granted up until now.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Chibo isn't complaining, he bringing up a point that we've taken for granted up until now.

Find, read as: ChiboSempai is too lazy to actually complain.

 

[Wrath`]

My reasoning is almost the same as Chibo's, except in the case of most people it's just shooting blindly for your second and third rounds as opposed to counterpicking. And if you're just shooting blindly then you might as well just play one round, because that's all the others are going to look like anyway.


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SO in essence it's not really 2 out of 3 but more or less two best of 1. It's probably why I like best two of three, as if my team loses the first round and I don't switch, there is a good chance it will do better against another team with the same team I just used.

 

[Gates]

Chibo isn't complaining, he bringing up a point that we've taken for granted up until now.

ok, I will say that it could be something worth discussing. I really don't think this is an appropriate thread to discuss it in though.

I'm going to continue to run this tournament as best 2 of 3 because the only person who has a major problem with it dropped out of the tourney. If you guys want to keep talking about this, talk about it in the tournament discussion thread.

 

[CT Chia]

More than just me think it's potentially an issue, no need to single me out. TO's are able to use whatever rule they want.

However I'm back in. I'm bored and reading about Steelix taking out a couple pokes in ubers is fun. Makes me feel like I can make an unconventional team and still compete since I don't play ubers that much, if at all. It'll be fun.

vVv ChiboSempai
EST
Chibo

 

[Gates]

TO's are able to use whatever rule they want.

If this is what you believe then why did you ***** about it in the first place?

However I'm back in.

I'll allow it, but if you pull this **** again I'm blacklisting you.

I'm bored and reading about Steelix taking out a couple pokes in ubers is fun. Makes me feel like I can make an unconventional team and still compete since I don't play ubers that much, if at all. It'll be fun.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12080140&postcount=421
So yeah, a team with Steelix can beat a team of 6 choice scarfed pokemon. BIG ****ING DEAL.

Here's a list of pokemon who can beat Steelix:

http://www.smogon.com/dp/tiers/uber

And for that matter, here's a list of pokemon who can beat Slowbro:

http://www.smogon.com/dp/tiers/uber

It just really annoys me that you thought I was playing seriously that match.

 

[Wrath`]

I am ready to see gates win every match 6-0.

 

[CT Chia]

wow y r u so mad lol. I guess that outside this one time I'm not allowed to drop out and sign back up? Should be my own problem, like if it were to fill up before I get back in then I wouldn't be able to sign up. How is that even remotely blacklistable?

TOs are able to use whatever rule they want but players also don't have to be forced to play anything specific, aka me dropping out at first

Also not my fault you switched in a skymin onto the steelix lol
And why would you not play serious in a BOTW match? Kind of ruins the fun for spectators that voted you there

 

[Gates]

wow y r u so mad lol. I guess that outside this one time I'm not allowed to drop out and sign back up? Should be my own problem, like if it were to fill up before I get back in then I wouldn't be able to sign up. How is that even remotely blacklistable?

It's just annoying and I don't want other people to do it. I really shouldn't have allowed you entry at all, but we need signups so I decided to allow it.

Also not my fault you switched in a skymin onto the steelix lol

Yeah, that was a dumb mistake on my part. I should've known that kirbyraeg had better prediction than to EQ twice in a row. That one mistake pretty much lost me the game. I should've switched to Palkia and Surfed.

And why would you not play serious in a BOTW match? Kind of ruins the fun for spectators that voted you there

Here's a better question, why would I:

A. Use my real team when there's a tournament in the same format coming up.
B. Take it seriously when there's nothing on the line.
C. Take it seriously when my opponent does not/probably has never played Ubers.

That **** is just dumb. If I used a real team people who are in my bracket could just go back and metagame their teams to beat mine. It's like announcing to everyone that I'm going to always use a certain pokemon on all my teams because it's my favorite. It's a really bad idea since people can easily prepare for it.

Nobody actually tries in BOTW. Pink Reaper got selected for it once against me. He used a team of Choiced U-Turn pokemon.

 

[kirbyraeg]

I tried in other botw

Not so much the ubers one though lol

edit: Hey, smashboards hiatus.

You'll see me in a few weeks.

Take me off the signups.

 

[Gates]

We're not starting until next Friday. Are you sure you won't be back by then?

 

[Gates]

Signups appear to be slowing down, so I may as well bring this up now.

So I'm thinking that if this tournament gets less than 13 entrants it would kind of be a waste to do a 16 person bracket since 1/3 or more of the people would have byes round 1. What I'm thinking of doing instead is having single elimination best of 1 round robin pools and making a bracket of 8 out of the top few players in those pools. Would anyone support this? Would anyone have any strong objections?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm down for anything, honestly.

I wish more people would get out of their comfort zones to play tournaments. I mean seriously.

 

[CT Chia]

A 13 person round robin what? That's 156 matches!

What is so bad about byes? People in the PC need to stop seeing them as taboo. It's standard stuff, go through the tourney results section here on SWF and look at the brackets. Practically all of them have them, it's standard procedure.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Chibo, when a third of the playing pool gets byes, it's a lot different than when one or two people do.

 

[Gates]

A 13 person round robin what? That's 156 matches!

No no no, that would be stupid. I'd split up the entrants into 4 groups of about 3 and the top 2 from each pool would make it into the main bracket.

 

[CT Chia]

Pool 1
3 People
6 Matches

Pool 2
3 People
6 Matches

Pool 3
3 People
6 Matches

Pool 4
4 People
12 Matches

That's still 30 more matches you have to coordinate

It doesn't matter however many people get byes, it's literally how brackets are designed, there is nothing wrong with it. Also, if a person doesn't get a bye in winners, then the loser of the round 1 match gets a bye in losers, putting them to where they would be if they had lost in round 2 of winners. It's just that the people who don't get a r1 bye and win a match end up playing one extra match than everyone else does, but you can see it as "qualifying" for round 2 similar to the pool system that Gate's is proposing.

It's up to Gates to decide what to do, I'm just trying to help out and offer my knowledge

 

[Gates]

If we get 13 people I'll do a 16 person bracket. And for a best of 1 format, which is what the pools will likely be, there would only be 3 matches total in each pool.

This also helps seed the bracket since I can pair firsts with seconds and such.

 

[Wave⁂]

Can we not?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Chibo is supposedly just voicing his opinion.

Doesn't really matter since Gates can run this however the **** he wants. Worst scenario Chibo just drops out again.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Finished my 'hiatus' stuff. Put me back in.

Sorry for making this such a hassle.

 

[Gates]

It's ok, I just wish you could've answered me sooner when I told you when signups would be over.

 

[kirbyraeg]

It was more the fact that I wasn't sure when it would be over that caused me to not respond. I had some stuff to take care of, but things happened that simplified it a lot for me, so I'm back sooner than expected.

 

[Gates]

That's cool. I understand.

So, can we get a final verdict on who is opposed to pools and who isn't?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm fine with anything. Pools sound good.

 

[alamaster]

Username: alamaster
PO Username: Ala
Timezone: EST

 

[Gates]

Today is the LAST DAY to sign up.

Also, since we now have exactly 12 people, it's very unlikely that we'll be doing pools.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

So we starting this good stuff?

 

[Gates]

40 minutes.

 

[Gates]

Bracket was randomly seeded and only slightly adjusted to minimize byes:

ROUND 1 ENDS 2/25/2011 11:59 PM EST

 

[kirbyraeg]

tery

your body is not ready for my steelix.

watch as i put my gyro balls to work