Work In Progress SWF Community Voted Tier List - 3.0 COMPLETE

[Deleted member]

Dedede got no changes again.

Why do I still play this character LOL

 

[Furret24]

What a dry patch. Only 11 out of 56 characters got any changes. Only 5 of those got more than two changes.

 

[wedl!!]

hey at least they decreased the weight of the Super Bash Sisters by 1

Also Bayonetta is so dumb and so good. I was probably right in assuming she was top 15 LOL

 

[Xandercosm]

Dedede got no changes again.

Why do I still play this character LOL

Seriously, though, why DO you?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Dedede got no changes again.

Why do I still play this character LOL

Well now you can star using Pit(who apparently got a buff to some effect)

 

[aethermaster]

I will honestly be surprised if Cloud, Corrin, and Bayonetta are in tiers below 3.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I'm still quite baffled that Rosalina had to have her weight decreased as well. She's not even S-tier material.

 

[C3CC]

I'm still quite baffled that Rosalina had to have her weight decreased as well. She's not even S-tier material.

Please don't tell me they nerfed Rosalina...

 

[Xandercosm]

Please don't tell me they nerfed Rosalina...

They didn't but they should have.

Anyway, where would everyone put Corrin on first impression? I feel pretty sure that Bayo is top 15 so it's really down to where Corrin is now. I would say he's maybe high-mid.

He has a lot of pros:

• U-air that kills below 100%
• Decent recovery that can be angled and kills
• Pretty good mobility
• A projectile that stuns
• Side-Special
• Good overall aerial game
• Angled F-smash is crazy since you can hit even low hanging ledge-grabbing opponents
• Smashes with powerful tippers (albeit weaker than Marth's)

And some cons too:

• Rather slow running speed
• Smash attacks need to be tippered to kill at any reasonable percent
• Recovery is definitely gimp-able
• No throw followups
• Few actual combos
• Not THAT much overall power
• Has to play pretty defensive

These are just my first impressions but I think a lot of these things will affect Corrin in the long-run. Tell me your thoughts, people.

 

[FamilyTeam]

I heard from my friend (the one that made a thread in the Welcome Centre just yesterday) that Luma's respawn timer got increased from 13 to 20.
Can anyone confirm this? Is this true? Really?

 

[Xandercosm]

I heard from my friend (the one that made a thread in the Welcome Centre just yesterday) that Luma's respawn timer got increased from 13 to 20.
Can anyone confirm this? Is this true? Really?

Thank god if this is true. Hopefully it is but it's probably just wishful thinking.

 

[Routa]

I would compare his/her recovery to that of a Roy's. Their U-specials can be agled to gain some more horizontal distance, but his/her vertical recovery is pretty meh. He/she does have his/her Bair, but it doesn't improve his/her recovery as much as Roy's air speed.

Even tho he/she has powerful moves it is still hard to land them due to his/her poor speed. But overall I think he/she is in mid tier. Nothing super special about him/her.

 

[Xandercosm]

I would compare his/her recovery to that of a Roy's. Their U-specials can be agled to gain some more horizontal distance, but his/her vertical recovery is pretty meh. He/she does have his/her Bair, but it doesn't improve his/her recovery as much as Roy's air speed.

Even tho he/she has powerful moves it is still hard to land them due to his/her poor speed. But overall I think he/she is in mid tier. Nothing super special about him/her.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Please don't tell me they nerfed Rosalina...

It's a weight nerf, where Rosalina now has the exact same weight as Kirby. However, because Kirby falls slightly faster than Rosalina, this now means that Rosalina can actually get KO'd sooner than Kirby.

 

[FamilyTeam]

No. Luma is not nerfed.
I just tested it. It's about 12.5 seconds still.

 

[lunaticz0r]

where can i find a changelist?

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

where can i find a changelist?

Go to the competitive discussion forum. There's a thread that shows a list of all the update changes.

 

[Zerp]

didn't get a single buff this patch, which also means she got nothing throughout the entire game, that's just great.



Anyways, I'm confused why they even bothered nerfing Rosalina&Luma, Sheik, and Zero Suit Samus if all they did was change their weight by one point, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's just negligible to the point where I doubt it really changed anything, it's honestly confusing to me why they'd even get nerfed if all it was going to be was just a slap on the wrist?

 

[FamilyTeam]

Wow! Sheik, ZSS and Rosa probably die 2% earlier now!
Honestly, that's so insignificant I can't even think of a witty joke to make about it! They might as well not have changed anything if they were to do that, it almost makes them look like they don't give less of a crap!

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Anyways, I'm confused why they even bothered nerfing Rosalina&Luma, Sheik, and Zero Suit Samus if all they did was change their weight by one point, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's just negligible to the point where I doubt it really changed anything, it's honestly confusing to me why they'd even get nerfed if all it was going to be was just a slap on the wrist?

The weight drop actually does make a difference, as it can make a fighter get KO'd sooner than before, even if the damage difference is very minimal. This does hurt Rosalina, since she can actually get KO'd sooner than Kirby now; Kirby falls at faster speed, despite having the same weight.

 

[Wintermelon43]

Wow! Sheik, ZSS and Rosa probably die 2% earlier now!
Honestly, that's so insignificant I can't even think of a witty joke to make about it! They might as well not have changed anything if they were to do that, it almost makes them look like they don't give less of a crap!

didn't get a single buff this patch, which also means she got nothing throughout the entire game, that's just great.



Anyways, I'm confused why they even bothered nerfing Rosalina&Luma, Sheik, and Zero Suit Samus if all they did was change their weight by one point, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that's just negligible to the point where I doubt it really changed anything, it's honestly confusing to me why they'd even get nerfed if all it was going to be was just a slap on the wrist?

It's so that ZSS and Meta Knight's Up-Bs KO even sooner on the top 3

 

[FamilyTeam]

Actually, think about it
Since they get knocked back a bit farther due to their decreased weight, doesn't it mean it'll be slightly HARDER for some cbaracters to combo them?
Is this secretly a buff and not a nerf?

 

[Wintermelon43]

Apprantatly Sonic's weight was also decreased by one, and Ganondorf and Kirby's weight was increased by 1 and 2 respectivly.

 

[ShadowGuy1]

They didn't but they should have.

Anyway, where would everyone put Corrin on first impression? I feel pretty sure that Bayo is top 15 so it's really down to where Corrin is now. I would say he's maybe high-mid.

He has a lot of pros:

• U-air that kills below 100%
• Decent recovery that can be angled and kills
• Pretty good mobility
• A projectile that stuns
• Side-Special
• Good overall aerial game
• Angled F-smash is crazy since you can hit even low hanging ledge-grabbing opponents
• Smashes with powerful tippers (albeit weaker than Marth's)

And some cons too:

• Rather slow running speed
• Smash attacks need to be tippered to kill at any reasonable percent
• Recovery is definitely gimp-able
• No throw followups
• Few actual combos
• Not THAT much overall power
• Has to play pretty defensive

These are just my first impressions but I think a lot of these things will affect Corrin in the long-run. Tell me your thoughts, people.

The last to are wrong. Corrin has tremendous kill power and i feel offensive if the best style or mix up with DL

 

[Routa]

It also affects some throws that are weight depend. But yeah the nerf has pretty much 0 impact how we play against them.

 

[ShadowGuy1]

Bayonetta's Fair can combo. The 1st hit propells you so you can stop it then do another one. I don't know how many times this works, but it still looks good.

 

[TDK]

Corrin seems much more solid with Vertical combos than Horizontal ones, as most of their moves will send you upwards.

 

[Xandercosm]

The last to are wrong. Corrin has tremendous kill power and i feel offensive if the best style or mix up with DL

I haven't noticed much kill power from Corrin. It seems you have to get very creative to get kills if you don't want to go fishing.

 

[TDK]

I haven't noticed much kill power from Corrin. It seems you have to get very creative to get kills if you don't want to go fishing.

Down throw kills at around 130% from a platform. Up air can kill as early as 96% on Sheik. Sweetspotted Side-B kills at 110. Up B can kill you at less than 60 hear the blastzone [which if fairly achievable when all 3 tilts, forward air, and up air send you upwards, mind you.]

there you go. Kill options that aren't too difficult to hit if you play right.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

It also affects some throws that are weight depend. But yeah the nerf has pretty much 0 impact how we play against them.

It'll still feel very ironic that Rosalina used to outweigh Kirby, but now, it's the other way around.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

The lighter the weirder for Rosalina

 

[ShadowGuy1]

I haven't noticed much kill power from Corrin. It seems you have to get very creative to get kills if you don't want to go fishing.

Allow me to name multiple kill options I have encountered

Down Throw
Uair
DL Sweet Spot
DL Front Kick
DL Back Kick
Foward Smash
Up-B
Counter(Thought not the BEST option.)
Bair


A lot of those are easier to get than others, but i rarely had trouble getting kills. Bayonetta has more trouble for me imo.

 

[Xandercosm]

Down throw kills at around 130% from a platform. Up air can kill as early as 96% on Sheik. Sweetspotted Side-B kills at 110. Up B can kill you at less than 60 hear the blastzone [which if fairly achievable when all 3 tilts, forward air, and up air send you upwards, mind you.]

there you go. Kill options that aren't too difficult to hit if you play right.

You make a point. I definitely feel like Corrin is kind of unique in his/her KO methods, though.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

The lighter the weirder for Rosalina

Sometimes I think the world just hates Rosalina, and wants her to suffer by making her balloon light. Weight portrayals sure have changed since Brawl; Brawl's top 5 lightest fighters were all shorter than Zero Suit Samus.

 

[TDK]

You make a point. I definitely feel like Corrin is kind of unique in his/her KO methods, though.

Oh, definitely. Who's heard of Down Throw as a viable kill option before?

 

[ShadowGuy1]

Oh, definitely. Who's heard of Down Throw as a viable kill option before?

Well, I think zard's down throw was a kill throw then it changed into a combo throw. I think ikes also kills?

 

[TDK]

Well, I think zard's down throw was a kill throw then it changed into a combo throw. I think ikes also kills?

I've seen Ikes kill once, on Mii brawler on the smashville platform at 140 while Ike was at 161%. Corrin's is better.

 

[ShadowGuy1]

I've seen Ikes kill once, on Mii brawler on the smashville platform at 140 while Ike was at 161%. Corrin's is better.

lol. I remember seeing it kill during nairo's ironman vs anti

 

[L1N3R1D3R]

So it seems that 's up B has less knockback growth. Great...another nerf that didn't actually change what was broken about her. Nintendo, it's her ridiculous combos and damage building that break her, not her kill power!

 

[TDK]

So it seems that 's up B has less knockback growth. Great...another nerf that didn't actually change what was broken about her. Nintendo, it's her ridiculous combos and damage building that break her, not her kill power!

I feel to need to point out that Sheik's playstyle is supposed to be extremely safe and easy damage racking with very few kill options. So from nintendo's perspective, this is nerfing her.