Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Z25]

Just saw this hilarious image on facebook. Captures my feelings as a R.O.B. and bowser main perfectly.

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"When someone calls your character low tier and unviable "

 

[Kenith]

In my opinion I find Wario's bike better than his Signature Shoulder charge side B PM.
Why?
Because 1.It removes Wario's only projectile (Which to me is quite a problem for Wario against certain characters),
and 2.It gives him less recovery, sure it does give him recovery, but it has less vertical recovery

Now don't get me wrong, I am fine that the makers of PM give him a Shoulder charge side B, and giving his WL series more love to it's fans. But to me it's not that useful to me than the Bike he had in the offical smash games.

Honestly, I'd like if they changed his Side B to Shoulder Bash, which you can turn into the Conk from Wario World by jumping, THEN making the Bike his Down B.

Not a fan of the Waft.

 

[Firus]

Yikes. Why are people so concerned about whether or not Undertale is a fad anyway? If it's still popular in five years, great. If it's not, it doesn't mean that people liking it now is invalid. Declaring "fad culture" because a newly released game is extremely popular is...not really any less short-sighted than saying it's the best game ever right now. People are unpredictable and no two situations are exactly alike. Do what you want, obviously, but personally it makes more sense to me to just let it play out, and if you have no interest in the game avoid the hype over it as best as you can. I just find it so exhausting getting caught up in frustration with games that are highly praised that I just don't "get." I got so frustrated over the extreme hype for Super Mario Galaxy that I ended up hating a game that I realized I loved once I got distance from the hype and a clear enough head, and if I'd backed up for two seconds I might've realized that two years earlier than I did. Which isn't me trying to say "You'll love Undertale if you give it a shot," or implying that everybody saying it's a fad even dislikes it at all, it's just an example of some weird behavior on my part as a result of getting caught up in that.

As for Let's Plays...well, I guess this sort of goes with my feelings on game opinions, but it's weird to me that people get so angry about that. Watch them if you like them, don't watch them if you don't. Some games are too difficult, scary, expensive, etc. for somebody to want to play themselves and if a Let's Play fulfills the experience for them, good for them. Personally I have some difficulty finding Let's Players that I enjoy watching, but it can be a fun way to get a taste for a game, and with some games (particularly those that are more open-ended), I find that Let's Plays give me a better appreciation for the game and open me up to new ways to enjoy games I already love. If others are having fun and it's not affecting you, I'm not sure what the big deal is.

 

[Chrono.]

http://projectmgame.com/en/

Project M has ended.

;_;7

 

[ChikoLad]

TotalBiscuit discusses online discussion boards. It's pretty relevant for everyone here.

https://soundcloud.com/https%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Ftotalbiscuit%2Fhypocrisy-and-being-excellent-to-one-another

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I agree with him 100%

His point was a little unclear at times (though that's a TB thing in general, he's a rambler), but I do more or less agree.

The only possible point of contention I would have here is that I hope he isn't speaking in absolutes. Like, I agree there is no point to calling someone out on being a hypocrite most of the time in a discussion, but there are some occasions where it is valid. Mostly when someone is saying they believe one thing in a post, but in the same post, say they do the opposite or something. On the other hand, a person who has said something in a post months ago, and is saying the opposite now, they simply changed their minds, so there is nothing to call out.

Even then it's not an absolute. Like of course, I wouldn't call an alcoholic out for telling someone not to drink. Alcoholism is not something you simply get rid of at will, it takes time and may even be impossible for some, and that shouldn't be held against them when they try to save someone else from making the same mistake.

However, there are certain situations where I believe when someone who preaches something doesn't practice it, then they are themselves just trying to gain points and "win" a game. Let it not be forgotten that one of the best ways to make a point is to set an example.

To imagine a scenario, let's pretend I'm a famous Youtiber going around saying "Sonic 06 is a terrible game, don't buy it". Then people spot me playing the game a lot om streams and really enjoying it, seemingly having the time of my life with it in a completely genuine way. Then people would immediately doubt that I believe in my own arguments of the game being bad. To call me out on that would not be trying to win points, I'd say I've caused a genuine case of confusion and justified doubt in my own arguments of the game being bad, since I don't seem to believe it is bad at all. It could be argued I stated popular "it's bad" opinions in my videos for views, not because I wanted to promote or contribute to actual discussion. Especially when I have failed to actually contribute.

But if it was a case that I played the game a lot to make a walkthrough in case people do enjoy it and need help, or I acknowledge the game's objectively terrible aspects but enjoy it anyway for subjective things like glitching the game, then I am not a hypocrite and am trying to contribute to discussion on the game in a meaningful way. Or maybe I am still a hypocrite for buying the game, but it doesn't matter since my points still have no reason to be doubted in this instance as it only backs it up, as does my attitude.

...I just kind of rambled there and probably didn't make a whole lot of sense. I apologise.

 

[Kenith]

http://projectmgame.com/en/

Project M has ended.

;_;7

Oh...that's...sad...
RIP Project M and also the extra characters...

 

[Opossum]

http://projectmgame.com/en/

Project M has ended.

;_;7

Oh wow, that came out of nowhere. It's gonna be so much different now with it gone. RIP PM.

Are we allowed to talk about the leak now? Or is that still a no-no?

 

[Senselessbreak]

Rip Project M. Sad we never got to see any work on Sami and Skull Kid.

 

[Chrono.]

Something seems really off about it.

They were showing off new costumes not that long ago and then there's the leaked characters.

Not only that but the entire site (including downloads) is gone now. Makes me think Nintendo went ahead and pulled the plug on em'

It just seems very sudden and out of nowhere, almost as if it were done in a panic rush.

 

[ChikoLad]

http://projectmgame.com/en/

Project M has ended.

;_;7

Oh wow, that's unfortunate. They didn't even get around to the PAL version I think.

I will keep using the PM theme on Smashboards I guess. I've used it since I signed up, it's my favourite.

 

[Jdaster64]

Yikes. Why are people so concerned about whether or not Undertale is a fad anyway? If it's still popular in five years, great. If it's not, it doesn't mean that people liking it now is invalid. Declaring "fad culture" because a newly released game is extremely popular is...not really any less short-sighted than saying that it will be on nobody's mind in a year. People are unpredictable and no two situations are exactly alike. Do what you want, obviously, but personally it makes more sense to me to just let it play out, and if you have no interest in the game avoid the hype over it as best as you can. I just find it so exhausting getting caught up in frustration with games that are highly praised that I just don't "get." I got so frustrated over the extreme hype for Super Mario Galaxy that I ended up hating a game that I realized I loved once I got distance from the hype and a clear enough head, and if I'd backed up for two seconds I might've realized that two years earlier than I did. Which isn't me trying to say "You'll love Undertale if you give it a shot," or implying that everybody saying it's a fad even dislikes it at all, it's just an example of some weird behavior on my part as a result of getting caught up in that.

Basically happened to me with sixth-gen Pokémon. The Internet pretty much had me convinced I'd hated Pokémon X, even though I enjoyed every minute of it the first time through. Thankfully, after the initial backlash subsided, I got over it.

 

[OurBraveHero]

Oh wow. Can't even download Project M now? All the pages on the site have been changed to them saying it's dead. That's really strange. Yeah they're not supporting it anymore but you'd think it'd be still there for people to download and whatnot; I wonder if Nintendo really did pull the plug on it.

 

[Poots]

Yikes. Why are people so concerned about whether or not Undertale is a fad anyway? If it's still popular in five years, great. If it's not, it doesn't mean that people liking it now is invalid. Declaring "fad culture" because a newly released game is extremely popular is...not really any less short-sighted than saying that it will be on nobody's mind in a year. People are unpredictable and no two situations are exactly alike. Do what you want, obviously, but personally it makes more sense to me to just let it play out, and if you have no interest in the game avoid the hype over it as best as you can. I just find it so exhausting getting caught up in frustration with games that are highly praised that I just don't "get." I got so frustrated over the extreme hype for Super Mario Galaxy that I ended up hating a game that I realized I loved once I got distance from the hype and a clear enough head, and if I'd backed up for two seconds I might've realized that two years earlier than I did. Which isn't me trying to say "You'll love Undertale if you give it a shot," or implying that everybody saying it's a fad even dislikes it at all, it's just an example of some weird behavior on my part as a result of getting caught up in that.

I'm glad someone finally said this.

http://projectmgame.com/en/

Project M has ended.

;_;7

Wow, you never really know what you have until it's gone.

...Is this what the end of smash 4's DLC going to feel like?

 

[ChikoLad]

I still didn't download the latest version. I was just thinking about doing so yesterday. Then Xenoblade and other stuff happened.

 

[Substitution]

Honestly, while it does suck and it's a shame to see a great work end...

In the mean time, we plan to be hard at work on new projects, built from the ground up. We can’t spill the beans just yet, but know that we’re looking towards a fresh start with brand new designs. Rather than splitting our focus, many of us want to dedicate ourselves to this new venture fully. In this way, we hope to maintain the level of quality and professionalism you’ve come to expect from us.

I am interested to see where this part in specific goes. Let's be honest they've been having problems (especially Nintendo) for a while now, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone like Nintendo pulled the plug. But I do think that this isn't the end.
They're a talented group of people, and they know how to make a game. And hopefully they can use the experiences from PM to perhaps make a title all to their own.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Every download link is gone. $20 on this being the inevitable C&D
EDIT Warchamp says it isn't a legal thing
(TBH. Don't believe you bro)

So wavedash games... whatever you're making it better be at least good if you're dropping PM.
(Can we talk about "you know what" now? One of those characters I really like)


LESS THAN $50,000 AWAY. WHAT STARTED AS A PIPE DREAM I WOUDLNT SHUT UP ABOUT SO YOU WOULD HELP IS BECOMING A REALITY. INDIVISIBLE HYPE

 

[AreJay25]

Was literally about to post the PM news. It's a shame, especially considering all the controversy surrounding its legality.

In potentially brighter news, someone's local Gamestop is listing a date for the new Smash 4 DLC: 12/5.

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Of course, it's Gamestop, so take it with a grain of salt.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

http://projectmgame.com/en/

Project M has ended.

;_;7

Not the biggest fan of Project M, but I've always respected the work that went into it. I'm looking forward to seeing what they have in store for the future.

 

[Solfiner]

Less than t-three days

I-I've been waiting for almost three years

 

[Neo Zero]

@PushDustIn Famitsu is out soon right? Let us know if we get any word on Cloud (it is every Wednesday right? I'm not familiar with the release schedule so sorry if I'm wrong lol)

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

@Warchamp7 I dun believe it

http://projectmgame.com/en/

Rip Knuckles, rip the dream.

Mad respect and props to you and the rest of the team tho (wish I could tag them, but I don't remember off the top of my head ) for making a great, fresh smash experience for a scrub like me and many others out there

 

[powerprotoman]

that moment you realize project m will never release lyn, knuckles, isaac, sami and skull kid

ya remember when thoes were leaked?

 

[A Distant Demon]

I just realized i posted a super happy gif when something kind of sad happened. My b.

If all the download links weren't gone I would believe Warchamp just fine but with everything magically dissappearing I have to believe he doesn't want a witch hunt. Feel bad for all the competitive PM players who probably just got an eviction notice. . .

 

[Starlight_Lily]

TotalBiscuit discusses online discussion boards. It's pretty relevant for everyone here.

https://soundcloud.com/https%3A%2F%2Fsoundcloud.com%2Ftotalbiscuit%2Fhypocrisy-and-being-excellent-to-one-another

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I agree with him 100%

Hmm, how to say this so I don't come across as rude....

Something to think about from this is the attitude that some of us have towards certain games.

Okay, now just bare with me for a moment on the point I'm going to make, now remember you don't have to agree, but I just want to say something

Now we all know that in this thread the majority here are pretty much not interested in #FE, which is fine, but the point I want to make is that it seems at times that when somebody brings it up and wants to discuss everyone just pretty much agrees on the same points, without really discussing the potential #FE could have.

Basically the point I'm going for with using #FE has example it seems that lot of us, at least when in this thread, are unwilling to change our opinion on something or give it a chance because of how it looks by initial reactions.

Also sorry if I just basically just something Total Biscuit said already, I just wanted to bring this point up.

Also I am personally looking forward to #FE, I personally actually enjoy J-Pop a lot and I find it to be better then British op music, although that opinion might be different if I lived in Japan and heard J-Pop all the time on the radio.

Actually @PushDustIn do you know how often J-Pop is played on Japanese radios?

http://projectmgame.com/en/

Project M has ended.

;_;7

Going to be honest, not really that upset over this

 

[SkywardStriker16]

EDIT Warchamp says it isn't a legal thing
(TBH. Don't believe you bro)

Man, the conspiracy theories surrounding this in future days, months and years might tear apart the Smash community as we know it
I've always respected the hard work that the team has put in (it always did look pretty cool) but I'm content with the project's end.
If Nintendo did end it, I can't blame them for wanting to shift gamers' attention to the official games...they're masterpieces too, and maybe our community will finally give them the full respect they deserve...
...looking at you, Smash Tour :actuallyadisastrousmode:

 

[ChikoLad]

The fact that they took the download links down makes me think there is a C&D, even though they say there isn't, since they had no C&D prior to this.

If there really is none though, then I think they are being overly tight lipped. If they are removing the download links over personal falling outs, I would say that is unprofessional and disregarding the audience of the game.

 

[powerprotoman]

......calling it now team wavedash or what ever they are called are working on a original game in the platform fighter genre

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I probably wouldn't buy the game even if it got good reviews honestly. TBH I can't even get the games I want to get these days

 

[Champ Gold]

It's kinda sad that PM had to go but when Nintendo decided to put their hands into the competitive aspect of Smash for the first time when that Invitational happened, it was inevitable.


The days and months were coming on slim for PM and considering that they want to still do this but with original characters shows that atleast WaveDash Games aren't giving up.

Also RIP any Peach buffs or Fox/Falco nerfs

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Project M ending is sad for the work and fans.

But ultimately I won't be a **** and say what I really feel about it's demise, simply so the team and you guys that enjoyed it can grief.

 

[Kenith]

I honestly just want an official Smash that feels as fluid as Melee did.
Project M was good but for some reason didn't hit the spot as much as I would have liked.

And I don't even play competitively.

 

[AreJay25]

I'm curious to see what happens to PM's community going forward. Considering you can't even download it anymore (at least for now), I can't imagine it growing...

 

[Z25]

http://projectmgame.com/en/

Project M has ended.

;_;7

Saw this coming, between smash 4 and nintendo, they had no shot. I liked the game, but I prefer the actual thing. Still, they should be glad they made such an outstanding mod!

My thoughts.

And that gamestop rumor of smash DLC is interesting. I want to believe, but I won't until I see it. Still think we will see the presentation announced this week.


and @Warchamp7 I know you have stated your reasoning on Project M's ending, but could you at least tell us why we can't download it anymore?

 

[Tree Gelbman]

So about that 12/5 Gamestop thing.

Grain of salt and all? It lists the total price as 9.73?

Cloud is likely to be 5.99.

So if true that leaves 3.74 worth of content left.

Doubtfult that Cloud's getting released alone as a character.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

I'm curious to see what happens to PM's community going forward. Considering you can't even download it anymore (at least for now), I can't imagine it growing...

Someone shared a mediafire link on a separate reddit thread for the 3.6 homebrew versions, so people will probably torrent and seed the heck out of that.

 

[AreJay25]

So about that 12/5 Gamestop thing.

Grain of salt and all? It lists the total price as 9.73?

Cloud is likely to be 5.99.

So if true that leaves 3.74 worth of content left.

Doubtfult that Cloud's getting released alone as a character.

Funny you mention that, same guy posted another picture that had the price as $7.

If it is true, the prices are probably just random.

Edit:
Picture

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[A Distant Demon]

I swear to god if we're getting actual gamestop leaks then I know we're in the twilight zone.
Ryu. Cloud Strife. Gamestop getting something right. Indiviisble succeeding
I refuse to believe I live in a timeline where all these things exist at once.

(no I am not saying I believe this)

 

[Fenriraga]

Whoa. That... Came out of nowhere.

A damn shame, but with the talent the PMDT has shown I have nothing but high hopes for their future endeavors.

...But... To completely remove the website and download itself? That strikes me as more than a bit odd... I wonder if there was some legal trouble that brought this on, I really can't see any other reason for them to outright remove the site.

 

[Champ Gold]

We got GameStop leaks now?

First it was Twitter now GameStop? **** it, where's my Facebook and YouTube leaks? And my eBay leaks?


Besides, even if it's true, I bet it's moreso leaning towards not new DLC but maybe the older stuff like Mewtwo and Royucus

 

[AreJay25]

Seems like a false alarm, the prices match up exactly with Collection #4.

Although, the fact that their systems only got this update now seems fishy...