Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Champ Gold]

If that were the case they would have simply dropped the character entirely, or removed Roy and Mewtwo since both of them are in Smash 4 now.

That's a bassackwards theory due to one, Mewtwo and Roy were added a long while ago before DLC was even a consideration, two I think there's a lot more leniency with veterans than newcomers and three, like I said before Nintendo hasn't done anything towards PM before and them doing it now seems like something is fishy.


However there's a second theory that the C&D probably wasn't from Nintendo but from another company and considering the stupid **** Sega and Konami has done over the years, you're telling me that that this doesn't sound the least bit possible

 

[Con0rrrr]

I've been wondering what improvements would a hypothetical Melee HD bring to the table for a while now. Such a game would be the only reason I'd actually buy a GameCube adapter for my Wii U.

All that it would need is a texture update, widescreen support, and online functions. That's it.

Melee is such a massive game on the esports front, that if Nintendo was to see that spark, it could pay off for them.

That's the case for a Melee HD. Melee's biggest issue is it's old. You need CRTs, etc...

If Melee is as huge as it is now (Dreamhack, MLG, Summit), can you imagine how big the game would be if it was more readily available? It would blow up. It would be huge.

Obviously I'm biased, but it being a launch title on NX would be genius IMO. Attention early in the NX's life from the Esports scene would be very very good. Esports is growing, and Melee deserves to grow with it.

 

[Z25]

That's a bassackwards theory due to one, Mewtwo and Roy were added a long while ago before DLC was even a consideration, two I think there's a lot more leniency with veterans than newcomers and three, like I said before Nintendo hasn't done anything towards PM before and them doing it now seems like something is fishy.


However there's a second theory that the C&D probably wasn't from Nintendo but from another company and considering the stupid **** Sega and Konami has done over the years, you're telling me that that this doesn't sound the least bit possible

I don't think Sega or Konami would honestly care though, they have no threat from it.

 

[Senselessbreak]

We just had one come in here and say that wasn't the case in the disco room though.

From what I was told, it was a C&D, although they have not verified if its legitimate yet. I'll ask and see if we can clarify the confusion.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Not to say I instantly believe Senseless. . .but the PM team is clearly doing damage control. They say there is no legal action involved but they are acting like they are under NDA specifically saying they can't talk about things.

If there wasn't legal things involved they could probably just go out and say it their reasoning. I respect them for trying put out the fire. But i'm not going to believe them when they say the guy who wouldn't put a lighter down didn't start it.

 

[Champ Gold]

I don't think Sega or Konami would honestly care though, they have no threat from it.

Yeah but it's Sega, the same company who pretty much told TotalBiscuit to stop posting Shining Force gameplay footage for an old Saturn game on YouTube.

Things like this happened before.

 

[Z25]

From what I was told, it was a C&D, although they have not verified if its legitimate yet. I'll ask and see if we can clarify the confusion.

Ok thanks, but how would they not know if it's legitimate?

 

[Das Koopa]

All that it would need is a texture update, widescreen support, and online functions. That's it.

Melee is such a massive game on the esports front, that if Nintendo was to see that spark, it could pay off for them.

That's the case for a Melee HD. Melee's biggest issue is it's old. You need CRTs, etc...

If Melee is as huge as it is now (Dreamhack, MLG, Summit), can you imagine how big the game would be if it was more readily available? It would blow up. It would be huge.

Obviously I'm biased, but it being a launch title on NX would be genius IMO. Attention early in the NX's life from the Esports scene would be very very good. Esports is growing, and Melee deserves to grow with it.

I would like to see some rebalancing of the lower tiers, admittedly. Bugfix Kirby's throws, give back Bowser's flame cancel, etc. Improve the lower tiers just enough so that they can be plausibly used.

 

[KenboCalrissian]

Melee HD would end wars

I think the exact opposite would happen, but I'm not prepared to go down the dark hole where that debate leads.

 

[Z25]

Yeah but it's Sega, the same company who pretty much told TotalBiscuit to stop posting Shining Force gameplay footage for an old Saturn game on YouTube.

Things like this happened before.

True, I would hope they've gotten better though....

Also why hide a cease and deceast? No one would honestly take this any differently. They have Smash 4, they won't bother Nintendo over a game that let's be honest here, lost a good amount of it's players to smash 4. So I honestly don't think people would outrage over it.

 

[Kenith]

If Nintendo is "okay" with Project M existing, yet there's a C&D, I think that implies Nintendo is going to do something pertaining to Melee in the future...

 

[Swamp Sensei]

It might not be Nintendo...

But still, its definitely an NDA.

 

[Senselessbreak]

Ok thanks, but how would they not know if it's legitimate?

Apparently not all the members of PM are in the full loop, but he told me that he's unsure who the company is even. Which would imply it may not even Nintendo, although he hasn't responded back yet.


EDIT

If Nintendo is "okay" with Project M existing, yet there's a C&D, I think that implies Nintendo is going to do something pertaining to Melee in the future...

It might not be Nintendo...

But still, its definitely an NDA.

So perhaps it really isn't Nintendo behind this.....

 

[KenboCalrissian]

I wonder if this has anything to do with the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement? You know, the one that, if passed, would make game mods illegal.

 

[N3ON]

But...

Spoiler

The internet loves being literal, doesn't it?

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

If Nintendo is "okay" with Project M existing, yet there's a C&D, I think that implies Nintendo is going to do something pertaining to Melee in the future...

Or possibly Wavedash games.

Who knows really

 

[powerprotoman]

im more than willing to bet its konami if they are getting C&D...if only because they are the kind of company that would do this no questions

 

[Swamp Sensei]

This sounds really fishy.

Only certain members know?

I call BS. Other members would have to know why development is ceasing.

 

[Kenith]

The internet loves being literal, doesn't it?

And to be fair, Street Fighter 5 kinda does have dark colors.
Like, a lot of people have complained about how grimy it looks.

Or possibly Wavedash games.

Who knows really

Doubtful, sadly.
Though...I wouldn't be surprised if NoA wanted them...NoJ, not so much.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

I'm glad someone finally said this.


Wow, you never really know what you have until it's gone.

...Is this what the end of smash 4's DLC going to feel like?

No, because the game won't be pulled from the eshop and retail shelves.

I have to say this though, I never cared for Project M. It always kind of seemed like a slap in the face to everyone who worked on Brawl, like "your game isn't good enough, we're going to 'fix' it". Brawl was perfectly fine the way it was (tripping aside) and I hope to god no one tries to pull the same thing with Smash 4.

 

[Z25]

This sounds really fishy.

Only certain members know?

I call BS. Other members would have to know why development is ceasing.

Apparently not all the members of PM are in the full loop, but he told me that he's unsure who the company is even. Which would imply it may not even Nintendo, although he hasn't responded back yet.

If true, this is both interesting and weird. Like Swamp says it makes no sense for the entire team to have different stories and not know the whole picture. That be like if I was your boss, I just walk in one day while you are helping a customer and go:
" Johnson your fired! get out and never come back!" without saying why. It makes no sense.
But I'm going to bed, I hope that while I sleep, some more info comes to light.

 

[Shroob]

Am I the only one who doesn't really care about Project: M and find the thing kinda amusing?

I mean, yeah, it sucks that all their hard work ended like this, but the writing was on the wall. When Twitch outright BANNED it, people really should have seen it coming.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

The internet loves being literal, doesn't it?

Context?

Am I the only one who doesn't really care about Project: M and find the thing kinda amusing?

No, you aren't the only one.

 

[Senselessbreak]

This sounds really fishy.

Only certain members know?

I call BS. Other members would have to know why development is ceasing.

The person I talked to isn't the most important, but he said he knows its related to it being a C&D.....just he doesn't know exactly who it came from. Which as I said before, might imply its not even from Nintendo. As a member he still knows whats going on.

 

[Kenith]

I wonder if this has anything to do with the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement? You know, the one that, if passed, would make game mods illegal.

I'm pretty sure the TPP is very far from being a realized thing.
Even then, from what I've heard it wouldn't change all that much.

I have to say this though, I never cared for Project M. It always kind of seemed like a slap in the face to everyone who worked on Brawl, like "your game isn't good enough, we're going to 'fix' it". Brawl was perfectly fine the way it was (tripping aside) and I hope to god no one tries to pull the same thing with Smash 4.

Forgive me if this sounds rude...but I really dislike this mentality.
Brawl is radically different from Melee. It's completely understandable that a group of Melee fans would try to modify Brawl to play more like it, especially given how free Brawl modding is.

Not to mention, PM started from a very simple mod of a single character's properties (I think it was Falco). It's not like the devs went "god, Brawl sucks, let's make it like Melee" one day and began work.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

The person I talked to isn't the most important, but he said he knows its related to it being a C&D.....just he doesn't know exactly who it came from. Which as I said before, might imply its not even from Nintendo. As a member he still knows whats going on.

C&D from who though.

Nintendo if you did this, sales for Wii U will only go down. I'm serious. Players will do it out of spite. You will be hated. Why?

Sega, if you did this than what the ****? You're okay with other things but not this?

Konami, if you did this, I will think exactly the same of you as I did before.

 

[Opossum]

C&D from who though.

Nintendo if you did this, sales for Wii U will only go down. I'm serious. Players will do it out of spite. You will be hated. Why?

Sega, if you did this than what the ****? You're okay with other things but not this?

Konami, if you did this, I will think exactly the same of you as I did before.

Swamp, I highly doubt it would have a notable effect on Wii U sales. That seems like it's pushing it a bit.

 

[Shroob]

C&D from who though.

Nintendo if you did this, sales for Wii U will only go down. I'm serious. Players will do it out of spite. You will be hated. Why?

Sega, if you did this than what the ****? You're okay with other things but not this?

Konami, if you did this, I will think exactly the same of you as I did before.

Let's be honest. Any 'spite' the players do won't even be a blip on the radar for the WiiU's already low sales. Anyone who wants a WiiU already has one, outside of Parents buying them as X-Mas gifts.

Edit: 'd

 

[A Distant Demon]

C&D from who though.

Nintendo if you did this, sales for Wii U will only go down. I'm serious. Players will do it out of spite. You will be hated. Why?

.

Uhhhh really? I mean sure maybe a few diehard fans. . .but Nintendo won't even feel this. Hell people forced to move to Smash 4 might just cancel it out >_>

EDIT I am much slower on the draw at 1 AM. . .

 

[Kenith]

Hm...honestly, I could see a C&D from Konami actually being what killed PM.
They are on a roll this year.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

The fact that we can't even download it any more makes it pretty clear its a cease and desist.

You can't?

R.I.P. chances of me playing Project M.

Spoiler

still wondering who pranked me

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Swamp, I highly doubt it would have a notable effect on Wii U sales. That seems like it's pushing it a bit.

I meant to say Smash DLC but I didn't say it for some reason.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

Am I the only one who doesn't really care about Project: M and find the thing kinda amusing?

I mean, yeah, it sucks that all their hard work ended like this, but the writing was on the wall. When Twitch outright BANNED it, people really should have seen it coming.

You're not.

I grief for their hard work and passion going to waste. I just wish they'd used it for something that wasn't ultimately in the artistic world for a lack of better word? Disrespectful.

I just don't find it all that sad that a bunch of people who literally took another artist's work and said ''You know what we can do better?!" had their mod potentially cease & desisted or ending. Hell, they rode it's fame into legit means if Wavedash is a success.

While they're talented passionate guys? In my opinion they used it for the wrong and disrespectful means. Even if they didn't mean to be? It ultimately was by artist code.

After all it's not like I'd take a story written by Swamp Sensei or a signature piece by Kenith and put my own stamp on it and get away with it.

It's just unspoken rules really.

But that's maybe because I look at it from an artist point of view that I think this way.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

You're not.

I grief for their hard work and passion going to waste. I just wish they'd done it for something that was ultimately in the artistic world disrespectful.

I just don't find it all that sad that a bunch of people who literally took another artist's work and said ''You know what we can do better?!" had their mod potentially cease & desisted or ending. Hell, they rode it's fame into legit means if Wavedash is a success.

While they're talented passionate guys? In my opinion they used it for the wrong and disrespectful means. Even if they didn't mean to be? It ultimately was by artist code.

After all it's not like I'd take a story written by Swamp Sensei or a signature piece by Kenith and put my own stamp on it and get away with it.

It's just unspoken rules really.

But that's maybe because I look at it from an artist point of view that I think this way.

So you dislike all mods?

 

[N3ON]

So P:M is done, hey?

And yet another nail is hammered into the coffin that is being able to play as Isaac in Smash.

What fun.

Context?

CLICK THE QUOTE ARROW LAZY

Spoiler

I said every game nowadays other than indies and Nintendo was dark colour schemes, grunting, guns and blood.

C&D from who though.

Nintendo if you did this, sales for Wii U will only go down. I'm serious. Players will do it out of spite. You will be hated. Why?

Sega, if you did this than what the ****? You're okay with other things but not this?

Konami, if you did this, I will think exactly the same of you as I did before.

The audience that doesn't already own a Wii U, was thinking about picking one up, but then heard about P:M being canned and thus decided not to is like... infinitesimally small. Plus Nintendo already knows no one wants to buy their system. (And to be clear, the preceding sentence was a hyperbole, internet)

EDIT: I also can't imagine the effect on future DLC will be anything but negligible. It's still gonna sell crazy well. So what, like 100 people don't pick it up because they're being spiteful babies? If that? I mean most people don't even know what P:M is, let alone that it's finished.

And to be fair, Street Fighter 5 kinda does have dark colors.
Like, a lot of people have complained about how grimy it looks.

Still more colourful than most of the stuff being put out nowadays.

 

[Mikegamer0608]

OK, I caved in and donated $60 for Indivisible are you happy A Distant Demon

 

[Senselessbreak]

C&D from who though.

Nintendo if you did this, sales for Wii U will only go down. I'm serious. Players will do it out of spite. You will be hated. Why?

Sega, if you did this than what the ****? You're okay with other things but not this?

Konami, if you did this, I will think exactly the same of you as I did before.

Not getting a direct answer, but Im told its a "GAG order." What ever that means.

 

[Kenith]

Still more colourful than most of the stuff being put out nowadays.

I know.
It's just ironic that he'd use that game as a counterpoint given those complaints.
(I find it a lot more visually appealing than SF4 though admittedly)

I meant to say Smash DLC but I didn't say it for some reason.

DLC or not, angry PM fans that are just angry enough to boycott Smash 4 are incredibly small in numbers.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Not getting a direct answer, but Im told its a "GAG order." What ever that means.

"A gag order (also known as a gagging order or suppression order) is an order, typically a legal order by a court or government, restricting information or comment from being made public, or in some cases, passed onto any unauthorized third party."

NDA

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Not getting a direct answer, but Im told its a "GAG order." What ever that means.

Basically a C&D.

Its the same.

But different.

But still the same.

Basically its all hush hush for now.