Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Schnee117]

Depends on the definition of soon.
Aren't Platinum, a fairly small studio...
Working on...
Star Fox Zero
Nier: Auotomata
and Scalebound
like... at the same time?

And TMNT.
With people also requesting:
Transformers Devastation sequel
MGR2 (#****onami)
Vanquish 2.

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

I wonder where Sakurai and the team got it from?

Spoiler

Playing Dark Souls got more hilarious when I've noticed the similarities. Wii Fit Trainer is Solitare's student.

Sakurai's got some good taste in games if it was intentional.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

RIP 421 AND ASH PECKER. TED IS A BAD

I wonder where Sakurai and the team got it from?

Spoiler

*SONO CHI NO SADAME intensifies*

 

[Zane13pyro]

You know when making my roster yesterday, I wanted to do a combination of things, I wanted both characters that'd be safe, (Inklings, Takamaru, etc.) and some more out there choices that not many people would expect, (Tingle, Arcade Bunny, etc.), take a look if you will,

I also included an explanation for each choice,

Spoiler: WARNING: Contains Opinions

Newcomers List:
"Geno Joins the All-STARS!"- I decided to add Geno out of one thing and only one thing, his sheer popularity, as he's probably one of the most requested Mario characters period. He'd use several things from Super Mario RPG to fight.

"Captain Toad Gets Ready for Adventure!"- Toad was going to come eventually, but I wanted to add one with an established character. He fights with turnips and items from the Mario series.

"King K. Rool Goes Bananas!"- K. Rool is probably the most requested character right now... So duh... He fights with the Blunderbuss and his crown, along with other things too.

"Dixie Kong Gets into Trouble!"- Why not two D. K. characters, after all both are very requested. Fights with various Animal Friends like Squawks and Rambi, so no, she doesn't have to be a Diddy Semi-Clone.

"Ashely Stirs up a Ruckus!"- Ashely is one of the most popular Wario characters in existence, and is considered a fan-favorite among many. She uses various spells such as Pantalous Giganticus.

"Tingle Floats In!"- So when deciding a Zelda character, I wanted to go with the one I thought was most important to the series. I decided to go with Tingle considering he has his own spin-off series. He uses balloons, Rupees, and other tools from the Zelda games he appears in, and from his own series.

"Viridi Stirs Up a Storm!"- Pit had Palutena, and Dark Pit had... Exactly... She'd use her Scythe along with enemies from the Forces of Nature from Kid Icarus Uprising.

"Anna Spends Some Smashing!"- Anna has been in every Fire Emblem game with the exception of Gaiden, so I wanted to include her as a playable character. She can use any weapon type from any weapon class in Fire Emblem.

"Waddle Dee Waddles In!"- Waddle Dee (Or Bandana Dee) has been building a name for himself in the Kirby series, so eventually I expected him to make his way through. He can use far-ranged attacks with his spear and even fly with it.

"Zoroark Comes Like an Illusion!"- I thought that eventually when gen. 7 rolls around, Zoroark would be revived with his own Mega Evolution, kinda like what they did with Lucario. He fights using illusions and can transform into completely different forms.

"*Insert Gen. 7 grass starter tagline here*"- I feel a gen. 7 grass starter is inevitable... That's all I can actually say...

"Fiora Activates!"- With the recent release of Project X Zone 2 in Japan, I'm starting to feel that Fiora might be building a name for herself, and could be one of Nintendo's next big starlets. She fights with two blades, but has a unique aspect to her called a Tension Meter, which makes her more powerful the more she's damaged, however the more she uses it the weaker she gets.

"Elma Protects Humanity!"- Xenoblade Chronicles X is on sequel-hook, so by the time Smash 5 rolls around, she'll probably be a top-contender imo. Like Fiora she fights with two blades, however what makes her unique is the ability to switch between guns.

"Takamaru Swipes the Competition!"- This character's game was recently released in North America, and now I believe he's well known enough to be included as an ambassador for the NES era. He fights with various ninja/samurai tools, such as a katana, shurikens, etc.

"Yuuri Makes a Scene!"- I think that it's time a new genera, one native to Smash should be included, the horror genera. She fights with her Camera Obscura, a camera that can kill ghosts.

"Isaac Shakes the Ground!"- I think that a more niche franchise should be represented, and that franchise should be Golden Sun. Isaac is a Geomancer, and can control various elements.

"Chorus Kids Crash the Party!"- A new IP being represented is always something to look forward to, and Rhythm Heaven is no exception. These 3 poster-boys of the second game fight with various references to the series.

"Inkling Makes a Splash!"- Splatoon is Nintendo's new killer app, so what better way to acknowledge it then Super Smash Bros? They fight with Splattershots, Ink Rollers, and etc, and poison their foes with their ink, so they're much more decisive then other characters.

"Arcade Bunny Gets Real!"- So many people have asked questions about characters such as G & W, R. O. B., and Wii Fit Trainer, I mean these ones, "WHAT IS THIS CHARACTER DOING IN THIS GAME!? WHERE'S MUH RIDLEY!?" And now it's time they ask the same question about this character. He fights with various things from Badge Arcade, such as badges (No duh...), cranes, and bombs.

"Lloyd Levels Up!"- Lloyd was added as a fan service addition, courtesy of Namco-Bandai. He was their most requested character that wasn't Pac-Man. He has skills from the Tales of series such as his signature attack, Demon Fang, to other moves, such as Rising Falcon.

"Harry Potter Enchants the Battle!" (It's a Mii of Harry Potter, as the new Mii Mage) The Mii Fighters not having magic is a thing that mystifies me... (Pun not intended...) Anyways they use generic magic attacks pulled straight from other characters such as Robin and Bayonetta.

Cut Characters:
Dark Pit (Sorta...): Honestly he's universally hated, and I couldn't find enough things to justify his addition as his own character, as he only has four differences from Pit. He's better off as an alt for Pit to be perfectly honest.

Lucina: The only true cut in the game. I cut her because of the amount of Fire Emblem characters, and if I kept her and Anna, then that'd just be too much... However she has a trophy.

I also considered the characters Sylux, Henry Fleming, Wonder Red, Jibanyan, Layton, Rayman, Ezio, Master Chief, and Banjo.

the bunny yuuki i dont want them in everyone else is fine ^^

 

[Kirby Dragons]

Blaze < Silver < Rouge < Chaotix < Cream > Any of the Babylon Rogues > Big > Any of the Deadly Six > Cubot/Orbit > Eggman Nega

Fixed.

 

[Burruni]

And Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutants in Manhattan.

And TMNT.
With people also requesting:
Transformers Devastation sequel
MGR2 (#****onami)
Vanquish 2.

* And requesting Wonderful 102

But yeah.
They're a studio that's stretched fairly thin at the moment and I don't think they'll be jumping into Bayo3 for a while.

 

[Coricus]

You know, speaking on my roster earlier (which I'll likely show off again for more critique when this thread hits the high tide of it's active users), I'm really surprised more people haven't considered one of the two characters I edited in.

He's pretty much the third party equivalent to Inkling: A character that came into existence and surged in popularity at exactly the wrong time to be included in the latest Smash game. He's a full-fledged video game character, he's not owned by any of the current third parties or by a particularly malicious third party, and unless we drag Shogunyan into this he doesn't even wield a sword. He's kind of like if Professor Layton and Agumon were fused into one being and made more popular than the two of them combined in the process.

I'm not entirely sure what they'd do for most of his moveset as the Yokai Watch battle system is built around a VERY small pool of attacks for each Yokai, but due to one of the main gameplay mechanics I can easily imagine what his grab is and, if implemented, it would be the most unique set of grabs on the entire roster. I.E. Possesion resulting in a "stop hitting yourself" pummel and throws.

 

[NintenZ]

You know, speaking on my roster earlier (which I'll likely show off again for more critique when this thread hits the high tide of it's active users), I'm really surprised more people haven't considered one of the two characters I edited in.

He's pretty much the third party equivalent to Inkling: A character that came into existence and surged in popularity at exactly the wrong time to be included in the latest Smash game. He's a full-fledged video game character, he's not owned by any of the current third parties or by a particularly malicious third party, and unless we drag Shogunyan into this he doesn't even wield a sword. He's kind of like if Professor Layton and Agumon were fused into one being and made more popular than the two of them combined in the process.

I'm not entirely sure what they'd do for most of his moveset as the Yokai Watch battle system is built around a VERY small pool of attacks for each Yokai, but due to one of the main gameplay mechanics I can easily imagine what his grab is and, if implemented, it would be the most unique set of grabs on the entire roster. I.E. Possesion resulting in a "stop hitting yourself" pummel and throws.

I considered him actually, but decided against him after realizing the sheer amount of third-party characters...

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You know, speaking on my roster earlier (which I'll likely show off again for more critique when this thread hits the high tide of it's active users), I'm really surprised more people haven't considered one of the two characters I edited in.

He's pretty much the third party equivalent to Inkling: A character that came into existence and surged in popularity at exactly the wrong time to be included in the latest Smash game. He's a full-fledged video game character, he's not owned by any of the current third parties or by a particularly malicious third party, and unless we drag Shogunyan into this he doesn't even wield a sword. He's kind of like if Professor Layton and Agumon were fused into one being and made more popular than the two of them combined in the process.

I'm not entirely sure what they'd do for most of his moveset as the Yokai Watch battle system is built around a VERY small pool of attacks for each Yokai, but due to one of the main gameplay mechanics I can easily imagine what his grab is and, if implemented, it would be the most unique set of grabs on the entire roster. I.E. Possesion resulting in a "stop hitting yourself" pummel and throws.

YW has been doing rather poorly outside Japan from what I heard, so no. Don't say bias, as the one who said that love the game

 

[Coricus]

YW has been doing rather poorly outside Japan from what I heard, so no. Don't say bias, as the one who said that love the game

Really? I wasn't aware. They seem to be pushing the game pretty hard where I live, at least. Usually Z-listers don't get piles and piles of merchandise in every other store.

At the very least he seems to be doing better than half of the third parties typically brought up. How bad are we talking?

 

[Burruni]

Jibanyan has 3 major things against him

1) Still fairly young for a 3rd Party (though this didn't stop Bayo but of course YW also isn't recognized as the power of a title that Bayo has despite middling sales)
2) Being an average selling series if not poorly outside japan.
3) Layton is the Level 5 character we're far more likely to see first.

 

[Curious Villager]

You know, speaking on my roster earlier (which I'll likely show off again for more critique when this thread hits the high tide of it's active users), I'm really surprised more people haven't considered one of the two characters I edited in.

He's pretty much the third party equivalent to Inkling: A character that came into existence and surged in popularity at exactly the wrong time to be included in the latest Smash game. He's a full-fledged video game character, he's not owned by any of the current third parties or by a particularly malicious third party, and unless we drag Shogunyan into this he doesn't even wield a sword. He's kind of like if Professor Layton and Agumon were fused into one being and made more popular than the two of them combined in the process.

I'm not entirely sure what they'd do for most of his moveset as the Yokai Watch battle system is built around a VERY small pool of attacks for each Yokai, but due to one of the main gameplay mechanics I can easily imagine what his grab is and, if implemented, it would be the most unique set of grabs on the entire roster. I.E. Possesion resulting in a "stop hitting yourself" pummel and throws.

If Yokai Watch continues to do well and Ninty and Level-5 continue to be good buddies. I suppose I could see this little guy make it into Smash 5.

Can we have Layton as DLC then plz! *sob*

 

[NintenZ]

Really? I wasn't aware. They seem to be pushing the game pretty hard where I live, at least. Usually Z-listers don't get piles and piles of merchandise in every other store.

At the very least he seems to be doing better than half of the third parties typically brought up. How bad are we talking?

It's actually not doing as bad as she's saying it is.

 

[Wolfie557]

* And requesting Wonderful 102

But yeah.
They're a studio that's stretched fairly thin at the moment and I don't think they'll be jumping into Bayo3 for a while.

Yeah, they only got around 200 employee's themselves. Tho it's nice that Hashimoto has ideas for the next game & possible Jeanne spinoff, and that Kamiya did his polls on twitter that included both B3 & J1 so it's on the cards for the future definitely.

And SEGA should add Bayonetta to thier next Sonic & All Stars game. Smash should prove that it can be done since last time they were worried about age rating lmao.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Really? I wasn't aware. They seem to be pushing the game pretty hard where I live, at least. Usually Z-listers don't get piles and piles of merchandise in every other store.

At the very least he seems to be doing better than half of the third parties typically brought up. How bad are we talking?

A 0 more than W101 iirc. I think it's because everyone assumes it's a Pokemon knockoff

 

[NintenZ]

Jibanyan has 3 major things against him

1) Still fairly young for a 3rd Party (though this didn't stop Bayo but of course YW also isn't recognized as the power of a title that Bayo has despite middling sales)
2) Being an average selling series if not poorly outside japan.
3) Layton is the Level 5 character we're far more likely to see first.

Why say the points against him when you could say the points for him?

 

[Fatmanonice]

Apparently, Nairo played the updated game with the newcomers and the patch in stream some hours ago, and he said Zelda doesn't look different.

Wonderful.

Zelda's design as a fighter is so hilariously flawed that she would need to be significantly retooled to be functional. This is why Bowser is finally out of Trash Can tier for the first time in the series.

 

[Coricus]

A 0 more than W101 iirc. I think it's because everyone assumes it's a Pokemon knockoff

Well that doesn't help if I don't know W101's sales records, though.

Jibanyan has 3 major things against him

1) Still fairly young for a 3rd Party (though this didn't stop Bayo but of course YW also isn't recognized as the power of a title that Bayo has despite middling sales)
2) Being an average selling series if not poorly outside japan.
3) Layton is the Level 5 character we're far more likely to see first.

Elaborate on 3. That's the kind of statement that needs a bit of explanation to back.

 

[Burruni]

Why say the points against him when you could say the points for him?

A new 3rd Party IP that's had incredibly little impact who has only performed that majorly in one country with a more profound and requested character from the same company who has as much if not more qualifications?

Please, tell me how this is in his favor.

Edit:

Well that doesn't help if I don't know W101's sales records, though.

Elaborate on 3. That's the kind of statement that needs a bit of explanation to back.

Layton's games have seen abundant praise with more history and from what I've seen there's far more international support for Layton than Jibanyan has seen. When we heard of the possibility of his leak there was enough behind him that it seemed plausible. Currently, you can't really say the same for Jibbers.

 

[NintenZ]

A new 3rd Party IP that's had incredibly little impact who has only performed that majorly in one country with a more profound and requested character from the same company who has as much if not more qualifications?

Please, tell me how this is in his favor.

I was just joking, did you not catch the troll face?

 

[Burruni]

I was just joking, did you not catch the troll face?

I know.
I was just restructuring how I was saying it.

 

[Burb]

Decided to post my finalized updated Smash 5 roster. It's a mixture of personal wants and expectations/predictions.

As much as I want it to happen all cut Brawl vets returning is unlikely. I personally don't believe bringing back Ivysaur + Squirtle will be bad because it's Pokemon so it's fine for it to have so many characters & they are both unique. I personally believe they are also under-appreciated and I blame the dumb & stupid transformation mechanic that was cut for good.

Dr.Mario is now a costume. I cut Roy because he is the '3rd Marth ' in Smash 4 and felt FE should be toned down to justify Anna. Lucina gets to return because in this hypothetical scenario where she was a costume but had time to bring her back and change her up a bit. Besides, she's more significant than Roy anyway. Pittoo becomes semi-cloned similar to how Falco is. KI is BS and IDC. Viridi & Medusa would be amaizng to play as and very different from Palutena & eachother. If FE is allowed to have more than most want so should KI because 'muh very unique moveset potential'. #KIU2ByPlatinumPlease.

Honestly IMO Zelda, Kid Icarus, Pokemon & Xenoblade have the most diverse character pool to select from. Everything else should be self-explanatory. Thank you for your time.

While it's questionable whether or not Roy will be back, the idea that he'd be cut for an unimportant, perpetual side character like Anna is more than a little bit ridiculous.

I don't see HW Impa or Midna being a thing, either. Hyrule Warriors will be completely irrelevant by the time SSB5 rolls around (and even if it isn't, one would assume Linkle or Lana would take priority over Impa), and Midna couldn't even get into Smash in Brawl when Twilight Princess was shiny and new.

As for Krystal.....it's dependent entirely on whether or not Star Fox Zero has a sequel before SSB5 comes out. I know the developers said they'd like to use her in the future, but if she's not back, she's not gonna be in Smash. Same goes for K. Rool, because I think his disappearance in the DK series is a bigger obstacle for him than people think it is.

Ridley's probably never gonna happen either, unfortunately.

Outside of that, decent list. Kudos for not putting Shantae or Geno in there.

 

[Curious Villager]

As a huge Layton supporter myself.

I'm not sure if Layton is in any better position than Jibanyan right now due to his series being put on hiatus by the creator until further notice. Unless they do something for the series tenth anniversary or bring it back into the public's eye before Smash 5. I think Jibanyan would probably have a better shot if Level-5 where to get a character for the next installment.

Edit: Unless he really did well in the ballot causing Sakurai to consider him at least I guess....

 

[Burruni]

As a huge Layton supporter myself.

I'm not sure if Layton is in any better position than Jibanyan right now due to his series being put on hiatus by the creator until further notice. Unless they do something for the series tenth anniversary or bring it back into the public's eye before Smash 5. I think Jibanyan would probably have a better shot if Level-5 where to get a character for the next installment.

I didn't know it was on hiatus.
Getting Ace Attorney x Layton like a year or two ago decieved me.

Edit: November 2012. Jesus time has flown.

 

[Wolfie557]

While it's questionable whether or not Roy will be back, the idea that he'd be cut for an unimportant, perpetual side character like Anna is more than a little bit ridiculous.

At the very least she is one of if not the most recurring characters. Personally I'm tired of only getting main characters for Zelda & FE that's why I'm rooting for her. Lucina was very lucky to get in and it's not enough for my liking. Also: Great Moveset Potential. Most important of all imo.

 

[Burb]

At the very least she is one of if not the most recurring characters. Personally I'm tired of only getting main characters for Zelda & FE that's why I'm rooting for her. Lucina was very lucky to get in and it's not enough for my liking. Also: Great Moveset Potential. Most important of all imo.

She's never been an important character.

Moveset potential is a major factor, but it's not the only one. Lucina and Anna are not comparable in the slightest; Lucina is already more important to the series as a whole from her sole game than Anna has ever been despite her numerous appearances.

It's a Rosalina vs Daisy/Waluigi situation.

 

[Deleted member]

Since I've received next to no answer to the question I've posted on Miiverse and such, I also repost it here :

Spoiler

​

As you know, Smash 4's All-Star Mode consists of fighting the entire roster, from the oldest to the newest in the 3DS version, and from the newest to the oldest in the Wii U version.

However, I still find odd that, in the 1994-1998 row,is listed as the first Pokémon you fight beforeappears in the 3DS version, and AFTER's appearence in the Wii U version, asis like the last Pokémon from the Kanto Pokédex you encounter in the very first versions of Pokémon.

Is it because's design was historically created by Ken Sugimori before those ofand or something ?

Still no answer...

SERIOUSLY GUYS.

 

[Curious Villager]

I didn't know it was on hiatus.
Getting Ace Attorney x Layton like a year or two ago decieved me.

Edit: November 2012. Jesus time has flown.

The creator stated that he still has a lot of ideas for the series and that he wasn't ready yet to end it.
For now he's giving it a break for a while before he gets back to it.

There is that whole Layton 7 game that's still in the works too I believe.
They will probably (hopefully) at least also do something for the series tenth anniversary next year too.

 

[Wolfie557]

She's never been an important character.

Moveset potential is a major factor, but it's not the only one. Lucina and Anna are not comparable in the slightest; Lucina is already more important to the series as a whole from her sole game than Anna has ever been despite her numerous appearances.

It's a Rosalina vs Daisy/Waluigi situation.

I know, but there really isn't anyone better out of non-protagonist FE characters. Azura sadly missed her chance (thanks Corrin) and Tiki is a good choice but less so now that we have a Dragony FE character and Tiki appears less than Anna anyway so I always considered Anna to be the better choice. She's not even in Fates, for example.

 

[Coricus]

I. . .I don't even know.

I find something off about the Layton > Jibanyan argument because it seems to partially function on circular logic (I.E. We should request him because we're requesting him), but looking at how other rosters are being critiqued I may as well just start from the beginning and make a secondary roster that covers the issue of trying to make it accurate in the eyes of the public because no one is going to agree on the realism of any one roster.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

And TMNT.
With people also requesting:
Transformers Devastation sequel
MGR2 (#****onami)
Vanquish 2.

And this is why I think the chances of Kamiya directing a new Murasame Castle is becoming less likely.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

R.I.P Ghastly, KO-ed by Double Kick
Just BSC things

 

[Chandeelure]

Here are some notes about the things Nairo said:

Spoiler

A: Bayonetta's back air is weaker than Zamus' (est kill at 139%)
B: Corrin lacks grab followups
C: Umbra has brief walkoffs (10secs)

***corrin:

upB is pretty weak (doesn't KO at 80-90 at the top with ~100 rage)

can't use the "down" option from sideB for a "jabreset"

tilts are pretty decent

downB is pretty good

usmash "I don't want to say garbage" (hard to hit)

fsmash good
- didn't see a hitbox while charging

dsmash pretty good (one side, the other not too great?)

aerials pretty good
-uair can kill pretty early
-bair is also pretty strong

sh autocancel: bair, fair, nair

decent damage output

grabs: no combo throws (MAYBE dthrow to RAR bair on heavies at very low %)

2nd jump doesn't go too high (probably dies if spiked)

"potentially better than robin, but not better than ike (first impression)"


***bayonetta:

neutralB pretty good

fthrow: KOs at the edge at ~140

nair, uair are really good
jabs too

bullet arts (after attacks if you hold button) are funny/interesting but not too useful and often don't even hit

smashattacks have the "projectile attribute"
(aka you can clash with them with non-transcendent moves, including aerials)

witchtime doesn't remove the hitbox from attacks = smashes could clank during witchtime

[still best counter in the game]
got hit by witchtime at 40 %, were slowed down for like 6 seconds and got killed by fsmash.
fsmash to dsmash combo like in the trailer can actually work for real (not too hard to setup too)

bat within = rolling & airdodge & spotdodging
(is mostly a good thing but can be a bad thing because you get damage) [never got it to work with downB, so it's just her getting 'hit' while dodging?]

can wall cling


"bayonetta probably better than kamui-
all in all both bayo and kamui are good characters"

didn't notice any changes to ryu, zss, rosa, sheik or zelda


***clock tower: has a walkoff and 2 platforms below at some times ("can definitely see as a counterpick" [background stuff could be distracting; for FD at least its only a short time with the sun])

DLC characters won't be put to their respective franchises on the character select screen

 

[Khoru]

Those are different games
And PXZ2 has Chrom I don't think that's the best example to compare to Smash
Smash is fighting game while PXZ and STEAM are turn-based strategy
In Smash, you have a limited number of moves you can give to represent a character
I don't think they're too worried about that in those two
Like, I don't even get why they gave her a bow in Steam, probably just to give her a ranged weapin

how does a strategy game not have more limited moves
in a fighting game you have full control over a character???

 

[Coricus]

Alright, I've decided: I'm going to work on a DIFFERENT roster project for now. Instead of trying to let my opinion guide things, I'm going to make a roster using brute Darwinism. One of you guys tells me what the most realistic possible fate for the next Smash roster is, then I edit the roster to what you said, then I show it to the next person, who tells me what's wrong with it. I keep doing this until it averages out and the least complained about characters possible become apparent.

And I know this is going to get ignored but I'm going to ask anyway, WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST?

 

[Wolfie557]

Alright, I've decided: I'm going to work on a DIFFERENT roster project for now. Instead of trying to let my opinion guide things, I'm going to make a roster using brute Darwinism. One of you guys tells me what the most realistic possible fate for the next Smash roster is, then I edit the roster to what you said, then I show it to the next person, who tells me what's wrong with it. I keep doing this until it averages out and the least complained about characters possible become apparent.

And I know this is going to get ignored but I'm going to ask anyway, WHO WANTS TO GO FIRST?

Moi. Thanks. I like this game.

 

[Champ Gold]

Still no answer...

SERIOUSLY GUYS.

Nobody knows all I know that the 2007-2013 line is gonna be longer and be changed into 2015 or 2016.

Now for something related but completely different

Spoiler: The Real All-Star Line Up

• Arcade Era:
• Retro Era:
• NES Era:
• SNES/Genesis Era:
• N64/PS1 Era:
• GC/GBA Era:
• Wii/3DS Era:

 

[A Distant Demon]

Here are some notes about the things Nairo said:

Spoiler

A: Bayonetta's back air is weaker than Zamus' (est kill at 139%)
B: Corrin lacks grab followups
C: Umbra has brief walkoffs (10secs)

***corrin:

upB is pretty weak (doesn't KO at 80-90 at the top with ~100 rage)

can't use the "down" option from sideB for a "jabreset"

tilts are pretty decent

downB is pretty good

usmash "I don't want to say garbage" (hard to hit)

fsmash good
- didn't see a hitbox while charging

dsmash pretty good (one side, the other not too great?)

aerials pretty good
-uair can kill pretty early
-bair is also pretty strong

sh autocancel: bair, fair, nair

decent damage output

grabs: no combo throws (MAYBE dthrow to RAR bair on heavies at very low %)

2nd jump doesn't go too high (probably dies if spiked)

"potentially better than robin, but not better than ike (first impression)"


***bayonetta:

neutralB pretty good

fthrow: KOs at the edge at ~140

nair, uair are really good
jabs too

bullet arts (after attacks if you hold button) are funny/interesting but not too useful and often don't even hit

smashattacks have the "projectile attribute"
(aka you can clash with them with non-transcendent moves, including aerials)

witchtime doesn't remove the hitbox from attacks = smashes could clank during witchtime

[still best counter in the game]
got hit by witchtime at 40 %, were slowed down for like 6 seconds and got killed by fsmash.
fsmash to dsmash combo like in the trailer can actually work for real (not too hard to setup too)

bat within = rolling & airdodge & spotdodging
(is mostly a good thing but can be a bad thing because you get damage) [never got it to work with downB, so it's just her getting 'hit' while dodging?]

can wall cling


"bayonetta probably better than kamui-
all in all both bayo and kamui are good characters"

didn't notice any changes to ryu, zss, rosa, sheik or zelda


***clock tower: has a walkoff and 2 platforms below at some times ("can definitely see as a counterpick" [background stuff could be distracting; for FD at least its only a short time with the sun])

DLC characters won't be put to their respective franchises on the character select screen

Now let's give it a month and see how much these opinions change

 

[Coricus]

Moi. Thanks. I like this game.

Alright, so I didn't get ignored. Good!

So, what would you consider the most realistic possible Smash 5 roster? I have a list of all the characters in 4 up in front of me right now, so just say who needs to be added/removed and I'll make the edits before proceeding into the next step.

 

[Chrono.]

http://nintendoeverything.com/sega-bringing-7th-dragon-iii-code-vfd-to-north-america-this-summer/

Well this was a surprise.

SEGA keep the announcements coming pls.