Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[Radical Bones]

So I'm playing Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time and it's making me quite sad at the direction the series has taken.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of the series and loved every minute of Paper Jam, but comparing it to this game (widely regarded as the 'worst' of the first three), I'm realising how unfinished Paper Jam and DT were. There's a sense of style and tone that's somewhat missing from the later iterations. Also the game flows much more smoothly. The battles are way faster, all the actions are faster, you seem to move through this world faster... yet it's not as if it's a rush.

I dunno, I've played these games on repeat for years and I just think that it's a game that really needs to be thought up by a super imaginative team.

Anyway... dear AlphaDream, don't overthink the next one - I'd be genuinely happy if you simply brought back Cackletta.

 

[Frostwraith]

So I heard from the great vine about a show called Food Wars where it's pretty much sort of an action series but moreso with cooking, I decided to give it a shot, well....
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Oh boy it's gonna be one of those type of shows, isn't it?

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Can't say it isn't decent, it's a nice and funny show but man, slow down on the "foodgasms"

Gotta have some fanservice. The manga is a tiny bit more tame compared to the anime, if only for the fact it's not animated and has no voice acting.

Their usage becomes much lesser as the story progresses. Other than that, it is a fairly interesting series. The fanservice is excessive nonetheless, but you can't really have anime nowadays with such tacked on stuff...

 

[Kenith]

I like how Wind Waker became the one 3D Zelda that doesn't get **** on by the internet on a regular basis.

Probably because the Wii U port (not a remake, it's as much of one as TPHD, fite me) made some minor changes that fixed all the originals' issues.
Well, except for being unfinished.

Realisticness aside, here's my ideal Sma5h roster.

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I like your style.

 

[Radical Bones]

Realisticness aside, here's my ideal Sma5h roster.

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Wait, no *insert obsure character*?

This is the worst game ever made kill Sakurai and his cat I'm giving up Smash forever I'm a terribly sad human who gets way too invested into a video game Nintendo NX will fail because of this and my voice will be heard by few.

/thiscommunity.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Wait, no *insert obsure character*?

This is the worst game ever made kill Sakurai and his cat I'm giving up Smash forever I'm a terribly sad human who gets way too invested into a video game Nintendo NX will fail because of this and my voice will be heard by few.

/thiscommunity.

Man, so true. I know at least one person who shut off the final presentation when Bayonetta was shown and declared Smash was dead to him, right after predicting Isaac and King K. Rool simultaneously(oops).

Except replace obscure with bias, that's the only nitpick. We can't be a speculative community without it because that's how things roll these days.

 

[Burruni]

Skyward Sword is one of my favourite Zelda games. The tone, the upgrades, the items... it was just fun.

The lack of exploration and the tacked on ending are obviously a negative but I love that game.

While the ending is fairly weak because it pidgeon-holed itself in on making it the "game that perpetuates the history of the series" or whatever.

I don't QUITE get the usage of "lack of exploration" here.
While you do have to go to every region; each one was very vast and had plenty of smaller pieces of them that made them explorable environments even if they're "isolated" from one another.
While I am a bit biased for the game I feel that the enviroments were certainly sizable and promoted you trying (or sometimes needing) to dig around various nooks and crannies with each region have a few maps the size of Hyrule Field in most games.
It at least felt more "Explorative" than the areas we were given for MM and WW.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Lines like this make me wonder if kid's are in charge of some of these wiki's

"In the end, Vlad was hit by the remains of the Disasteroid (after it had passed through Earth), which probably killed him. But it is not clear; Vlad may still be alive, due how the scene was rather a gag than a proper dramatic scene for the death of a character. It is most likely that he is still alive."

That's not even the worst I've seen

Edit: What really helped my point was using the wrong words

 

[LIQUID12A]

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Cloud confirmed literal game breaker.

Limits clearly weren't enough.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Spoiler: large gif

Cloud confirmed literal game breaker.

Limits clearly weren't enough.

Well, limits are meant to be broken

 

[Ivander]

Do you think they would be able to add a new Fire Emblem character that could top or match Corrin's uniqueness?

Unless they get reeeaaally creative.
Nope.

Corrin was basically the same idea as the most unique FE choice, being Tiki: fights by turning parts of their body into a dragon.
I have a hard time seeing them top it, even with Anna who does everything.

Yeah, I'm not sure what could top Corrin in uniqueness, but I could see a character beat him in homage to the series. I mean, besides magic, Robin also brought references to the weapon breaking system, the different tomes and the Pair-Up system(as well as a couple animation references, like his Arcfire casting). Seeing Robin's references to game mechanics, I think it'd be pretty cool if we got an FE character to reference the Weapon Triangle, some of the recurring weapons of the series(like Vaan in Dissidia 012) and a Master Seal Final Smash for referencing promotions.
But that being said, that would depend on the newer FE games and what they do for future main characters. I think a character that would fit the above would be a character with a class that is a pseudo-equivalent to the Trainees from FE8 that eventually promotes into a pseudo-equivalent to the Master Knight from FE4. Basically, a character who begins in a Trainee class that allows you to choose their first weapon type. Than after reaching a part of the story, they become a basic class that allows them to choose a second weapon type, than later(through promotion or another story moment), they can choose a third weapon type.

 

[ChikoLad]

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Cloud confirmed literal game breaker.

Limits clearly weren't enough.

T H I S
I S
T H E
F I N A L
F A N T A S Y

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Robin already topped Corrin in uniqueness.

Corrin doesn't need to be topped since he isn't all that unique to begin with.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Quick Challenge.

Sega All Stars!

Rules:

1. Cannot remove any Sega owned series from the Racing games. They must be included.
2. Add at least 10 more series.
3. Each character has to have a rival that isn't from their series.

Go.

Sonic, Tails, Amy, Knuckles, Eggman, Sticks, Shadow, Metal Sonic, NiGHTS, Reala, Ulala, Pudding, AiAi, MeeMee, Amigo, BD Joe, Billy Hatcher, Joe Musashi, Hotsuma, Gilius, Tyris, Alis Landale, Axel Stone, Blaze Feilding, Shiva, AGES (Because a fighting transforming car is epic. ), Toejam & Earl, Zobio & Zobiko, Agent G, The Magician, Bayonetta, Jack Frost, Shogun, Phantom R, Ristar, Beat, Gum, Rokkaku Gouji, Orta (Panzer Dragoon), Max (Dinosaur King), Vyse, Ramirez, Selvaria Bles, Opa Opa, ChuChus (I see them as a mech fighter), Alex Kidd, Ryo Hazuki, Akira Yuki, Pai Chan, Arle Nadja, and Bonanza Bros.

Do I win?

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Sonic, Tails, Amy, Knuckles, Eggman, Sticks, Shadow, Metal Sonic, NiGHTS, Reala, Ulala, Pudding, AiAi, MeeMee, Amigo, BD Joe, Billy Hatcher, Joe Musashi, Hotsuma, Gilius, Tyris, Centurion (Altered Beast), Axel Stone, Blaze Feilding, Shiva, AGES (Because a fighting transforming car is epic. ), Toejam & Earl, Zobio & Zobiko, Agent G, The Magician, Bayonetta, Jack Cayman, Shogun, Phantom R, Ristar, Beat, Gum, Rokkaku Gouji, Orta (Panzer Dragoon), Max (Dinosaur King), Vyse, Ramirez, Selvaria Bles, Opa Opa, ChuChus (I see them as a mech fighter), Alex Kidd, Ryo Hazuki, Akira Yuki, Pai Chan, Arle Nadja, and Bonanza Bros.

Do I win?

1. The Streets of Rage and Jet Set Radio bias is real (What the **** would Rokkaku do?)

2. Not enough Puyo reps

3. I can name plenty of Sonic characters more deserving than Sticks (Coming from a fan of her)

4. I just don't see AGES working at all

5. Aika is clearly more deserving than Ramirez if we're talking Skies of Arcadia

6. The lack of a Phantasy Star rep is disturbing.

 

[Aetheri]

The problem is that the Future Past DLC is basically that
Except Chrom is dead lol
But it really hits you in the feels

welp...I only downloaded the scramble DLC, so I never played the Future Past DLC...oh well...

 

[BluePikmin11]

I NEED ALL OF THESE FIGURES!:

http://www.fangamer.com/products/undertale-figurines-series-1

 

[ChikoLad]

I NEED ALL OF THESE FIGURES!:

http://www.fangamer.com/products/undertale-figurines-series-1

Oh hey, there's already some more indie amiibo.

 

[Burruni]

Sonic, Tails, Amy, Knuckles, Eggman, Sticks, Shadow, Metal Sonic, NiGHTS, Reala, Ulala, Pudding, AiAi, MeeMee, Amigo, BD Joe, Billy Hatcher, Joe Musashi, Hotsuma, Gilius, Tyris, Centurion (Altered Beast), Axel Stone, Blaze Feilding, Shiva, AGES (Because a fighting transforming car is epic. ), Toejam & Earl, Zobio & Zobiko, Agent G, The Magician, Bayonetta, Jack Cayman, Shogun, Phantom R, Ristar, Beat, Gum, Rokkaku Gouji, Orta (Panzer Dragoon), Max (Dinosaur King), Vyse, Ramirez, Selvaria Bles, Opa Opa, ChuChus (I see them as a mech fighter), Alex Kidd, Ryo Hazuki, Akira Yuki, Pai Chan, Arle Nadja, and Bonanza Bros.

Do I win?

>No Jack Frost
SMT is now part of SEGA.
And you can not look me in the eyes and tell me that it isn't bigger than a large number of the series presents.

 

[Deleted member]

All we need for Fire Emblem are Axe, Bow and Lance wielders and we would have all weapons represented
Though not many Lords wield them
There is Hector for axes and Sigurd, Ephraim and Azura for lances in their base class
None of them wields a bow(don't blame me if one of the SNES lords uses it, I only even know about Sigurd because he has a lance named after him in Awakening)
Except Lyn in her Blade Lord class, then we could have Hector and Lyn
But it'd be weird to have the two alongside Roy but no Eliwood
Solution: replace Roy with Eliwood and everyone ends up happy and nothing of value is lost. How about that?
Why did I have to play FE7? I should have stopped with SS so I wouldn't be sad

 

[ChikoLad]

All we need for Fire Emblem are Axe, Bow and Lance wielders and we would have all weapons represented
Though not many Lords wield them
There is Hector for axes and Sigurd, Ephraim and Azura for lances in their base class
None of them wields a bow(don't blame me if one of the SNES lords uses it, I only even know about Sigurd because he has a lance named after him in Awakening)
Except Lyn in her Blade Lord class, then we could have Hector and Lyn
But it'd be weird to have the two alongside Roy but no Eliwood
Solution: replace Roy with Eliwood and everyone ends up happy and nothing of value is lost. How about that?

Ike could always be given an axe as part of a revamp.

Lucina could use a Bow as part of a revamp too.

 

[Burruni]

All we need for Fire Emblem are Axe, Bow and Lance wielders and we would have all weapons represented
Though not many Lords wield them
There is Hector for axes and Sigurd, Ephraim and Azura for lances in their base class
None of them wields a bow(don't blame me if one of the SNES lords uses it, I only even know about Sigurd because he has a lance named after him in Awakening)
Except Lyn in her Blade Lord class, then we could have Hector and Lyn
But it'd be weird to have the two alongside Roy but no Eliwood
Solution: replace Roy with Eliwood and everyone ends up happy and nothing of value is lost. How about that?

We also don't have Hidden Weapons represented (by slight extention the Daggers/Knives of thieves in earlier titles)
Now.
If only there was someone who could be justified in usage of practically all of these?
(Especially with the marriage subclass thing in Fates giving them access to Axes which is the only weapon type they haven't used canonically BESIDES transformation stones).
Oh wait.

 

[Deleted member]

Since I've received next to no answer to the question I've posted on Miiverse and such, I also repost it here :

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As you know, Smash 4's All-Star Mode consists of fighting the entire roster, from the oldest to the newest in the 3DS version, and from the newest to the oldest in the Wii U version.

However, I still find odd that, in the 1994-1998 row,is listed as the first Pokémon you fight beforeappears in the 3DS version, and AFTER's appearence in the Wii U version, asis like the last Pokémon from the Kanto Pokédex you encounter in the very first versions of Pokémon.

Is it because's design was historically created by Ken Sugimori before those ofand or something ?

 

[Schnee117]

We also don't have Hidden Weapons represented (by slight extention the Daggers/Knives of thieves in earlier titles)
Now.
If only there was someone who could be justified in usage of practically all of these?
(Especially with the marriage subclass thing in Fates giving them access to Axes which is the only weapon type they haven't used canonically BESIDES transformation stones).
Oh wait.

Fake image. The chest should look like this:

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[Burruni]

Fake image. The chest should look like this:

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Not all Annas are created equal.

 

[Deleted member]

Ike could always be given an axe as part of a revamp.

Lucina could use a Bow as part of a revamp too.

But Ike's main weapon is the Ragnell which is a sword
You can't just give him an axe and take away his Plot Sword
Besides, he needs no revamp
Same for Lucina, she should stay with the Falchion

We also don't have Hidden Weapons represented (by slight extention the Daggers/Knives of thieves in earlier titles)
Now.
If only there was someone who could be justified in usage of practically all of these?
(Especially with the marriage subclass thing in Fates giving them access to Axes which is the only weapon type they haven't used canonically BESIDES transformation stones).
Oh wait.

I mean, through reclassing you can probably give her any weapon but I believe her two Fates promotions are Lances+Bows and HWs+Bows so there's that
But I'm mostly talking about base classes and maybe something from their promotions since it's where the FE characters' are movesets usually based on

And then, there is also Light magic that would go unrepresented
But who cares about that anyways?

 

[Burruni]

But Ike's main weapon is the Ragnell which is a sword
You can't just give him an axe and take away his Plot Sword
Besides, he needs no revamp
Same for Lucina, she should stay with the Falchion

I mean, through reclassing you can probably give her any weapon but I believe her two Fates promotions are Lances+Bows and HWs+Bows so there's that
But I'm mostly talking about base classes and maybe something from their promotions since it's where the FE characters' are movesets usually based on

And then, there is also Light magic that would go unrepresented
But who cares about that anyways?

In Awakening
Playable Anna, Trickster - Staves & Swords.
Superboss Anna, Merchant - Lances

In Fates
DLC character Anna, Outlaw -> Bows w/ Staves or Sword
Which already hits 3 of the 5 untouched weapon types. No reclassing touched.
Only lacking the Axes and Hidden Weapons (which 2 of her 4 reclasses in Fates do get), if we don't go into the sub-classes of weapons like Light Magic or Knives.

But there's one major thing.
It IS Anna
The character of flexibility for writing because of the nature of the character.

 

[Champ Gold]

In Awakening
Playable Anna, Trickster - Staves & Swords.
Superboss Anna, Merchant - Lances

In Fates
DLC character Anna, Outlaw -> Bows w/ Staves or Sword
Which already hits 3 of the 4 untouched weapon types. No reclassing touched.
Only lacking the Axes, if we don't go into the sub-classes of weapons like Light Magic or Knives.

But there's one major thing.
It IS Anna
The character of flexibility for writing because of the nature of the character.

I like FEA Anna due to her supports in the game and how insane of a unit she is.

She's the ONLY character who has the best support with Robin that isn't either average, bland or ****. It's just overall great.

And then her support with Tiki is funny.

 

[Chrono.]

"Phantom Limb Pack"

They went there.

 

[MainJPW]

Quick Challenge.

Sega All Stars!

Rules:

1. Cannot remove any Sega owned series from the Racing games. They must be included.
2. Add at least 10 more series.
3. Each character has to have a rival that isn't from their series.

Go.

1. Ristar (first and foremost )
2. Vectorman
3. Toejam & Earl
4. Rez
5. Rythm Thief
6. Shining
7. Altered Beast
8. Ecco
9. Gunstar
10. Bayonetta
11. Puyo Puyo
12. Phantasy Star

....Maybe OutRun....

Ristar is rivals with NiGHTS because they both fly. Maybe NiGHTS and Bayonetta, NiGHTS is sorta like an angel.

Vectorman rivals Rez because they both fly and shoot things. Or naybe Vectorman and Red from Gunstar because he fights a robot similarish to Vectorman.

I guess Ecco and TJ & Earl like @Coricus said...

Altered Beast and Shining Force because they technically fight beasts. That's all I've got.

 

[Deleted member]

Champ Gold can you link a high res version of your avi please?

 

[SuperMii3D]

Anyone up for some Smash 4? Either version

 

[Deleted member]

"Phantom Limb Pack"

They went there.

I.... Never thought I'd see a lego game with a season pass. Wow.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

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Cloud confirmed literal game breaker.

Limits clearly weren't enough.

He also breaks gifs
of course it fixes it when I quote it

 

[JamesDNaux]

Since people are already speculating on the next roster, I'll do something a bit different.

Let's take a look at the general patterns with each iteration of Smash.

The protagonists of Nintendo + some extras.

The rest of the core cast of previous franchises, plus three new series.

Very request heavy, only three truly "shocking" additions. Double the new series of Melee.

Entirely new franchises and relevant faces from old franchises, many surprise choices. Nearly double Brawl's new series.


Looking at this, should we expect around twenty new franchises the next go around? Even more shocking choices? Instead of relying on what the previous entry did (which was the ultimate downfall of speculation this time, since Smash 4 basically did the opposite of Brawl), we should try to focus on thinking of what possible routes it could take. It could go right back to adding in popular choices, and if we predict it based on Smash 4's logic, we'd be out of luck again. Or it could take the Melee route, but adding in more characters from the new franchises brought in with Smash 4 (though there's not many choices there...)

I'm leaning more towards Brawl. Maybe not entirely popularity based, but the fighter ballot did say that results could be used for future games, so it wouldn't surprise me if most of the Mii costumes we got this round ended up being fighters next time. We'll probably see a few assist trophy upgrades too with how well Mac turned out. Maybe a boss upgrade too... Ripley in big pieces.

I mostly hope we won't see too many cuts, though I worry more for the DLC characters than anyone else.

Guess I'll throw something more of a traditional roster in too.

Spoiler: Wishlist

Minimal cuts.
Luigify Dark Pit.
Glorious return of Ice Climbers with better hardware. Wolf too, maybe? Please?
Konami throws out whoever is in charge and gets their **** together. Snake returns.
Don't replace Miis, but rather combine them into a single, more customize-able entity. I want my sword-gunner, dangit.

Newcomers:
(Captain) Toad
Waluigi
Ashley
Dixie Kong
Cranky Kong
King K. Rool (Fire Emblem got three new characters and a returning vet this go, so screw limits)
Zelda newcomer (Happy Mask Salesman Linkle?)
Ridley
Viridi
Krystal
Pokemon Trainer, if they're willing to bring that gimmick back.
Takamaru
Lip
Inklings
Blank space for some other new franchise. (Isaac?)
Blank space for one or more new franchises that don't exist yet.
Blank space for a character that doesn't exist yet from an already existing franchise. (Pokemon, FE, etc.)
Rayman
Earthworm Jim (if Bayonetta is good enough to get in, then he's more than qualified... other than being dormant.)
Some other third party(s).

 

[Schnee117]

I.... Never thought I'd see a lego game with a season pass. Wow.

Lego DC Superheroes Batman 3 had one and the Avengers one that just came out does as well.

 

[ChikoLad]

But Ike's main weapon is the Ragnell which is a sword
You can't just give him an axe and take away his Plot Sword
Besides, he needs no revamp
Same for Lucina, she should stay with the Falchion

I mean, through reclassing you can probably give her any weapon but I believe her two Fates promotions are Lances+Bows and HWs+Bows so there's that
But I'm mostly talking about base classes and maybe something from their promotions since it's where the FE characters' are movesets usually based on

And then, there is also Light magic that would go unrepresented
But who cares about that anyways?

I didn't say they had to have their main weapons removed.

In Codename STEAM, Ike uses an Axe as a secondary weapon, and Lucina uses a Bow. There's no reason why they can't have the same in Smash.

 

[Burruni]

I didn't say they had to have their main weapons removed.

In Codename STEAM, Ike uses an Axe as a secondary weapon, and Lucina uses a Bow. There's no reason why they can't have the same in Smash.

Lucina's bow is exclusive to her reclassing and Lances being added would be a far more natural fit for her.
Also ACTUALLY taking Chrom's fighting style as she did in Awakening and not Marth's.
Just my two cents.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

1. The Streets of Rage and Jet Set Radio bias is real (What the **** would Rokkaku do?)

2. Not enough Puyo reps

3. I can name plenty of Sonic characters more deserving than Sticks (Coming from a fan of her)

4. I just don't see AGES working at all

5. Aika is clearly more deserving than Ramirez if we're talking Skies of Arcadia

6. The lack of a Phantasy Star rep is disturbing.

> Ignores Streets of Rage's legacy
> Wants more Puyo Puyo reps

K. Rokkaku is a summoner fighter that use a variety of police and assassins in his moveset. Representing the crazier side of Jet Set Radio. The roster needs villains and there are more than enough females on the roster, so Ramirez stays. Fair enough, Jack can get cut in favor of Alis Landale.

>No Jack Frost
SMT is now part of SEGA.
And you can not look me in the eyes and tell me that it isn't bigger than a large number of the series presents.

Alright, then Centurion gets to go while Jack Frost will be in. I have to remember that it is Sega's more easily forgettable Genesis titles in the past. At least Ristar has a lot going for him with his stretchy limbs.

 

[ChikoLad]

Lucina's bow is exclusive to her reclassing and Lances being added would be a far more natural fit for her.
Also ACTUALLY taking Chrom's fighting style as she did in Awakening and not Marth's.
Just my two cents.

Reclassing is irrelevant.

 

[Champ Gold]

Champ Gold can you link a high res version of your avi please?

Spoiler

Reclassing is irrelevant.

We're going with the "Paula taught Ness PK Fire excuse" and say Henry and Tharaja taught Robin Dark Magic

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Reclassing is irrelevant.

On one hand, I agree, on the other, Lucina getting a bow feels more jarring than Robin using dark MAGIC but that's me