Social Swamp's Social Thread 3 - And now, the end is near, and so I face the final curtain...

[SuperMii3D]

Firs of all, 4chan has done more good than Tumblr will ever do, second, look at my custom title. Why are you taking my posts seriously?

To be fair that **** can be any 4 letter word Maybe it was Anna posting

 

[Kenith]

Every time I go to make a fan roster for Smash Bros., I have to ask myself who I'm making it for. Is it for me, the hardcore speculative fanbase, a blunt prediction based entirely on current trends and sales, or do I just say **** it and throw characters onto a grid until it looks crazy enough to belong inside Sakurai's mind?

Eventually I just give up and add fifteen Fire Emblem characters.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Every time I go to make a fan roster for Smash Bros., I have to ask myself who I'm making it for. Is it for me, the hardcore speculative fanbase, a blunt prediction based entirely on current trends and sales, or do I just say **** it and throw characters onto a grid until it looks crazy enough to belong inside Sakurai's mind?

Eventually I just give up and add fifteen Fire Emblem characters.

And every single one of them has a sword as their main weapon.

 

[SuperMii3D]

Every time I go to make a fan roster for Smash Bros., I have to ask myself who I'm making it for. Is it for me, the hardcore speculative fanbase, a blunt prediction based entirely on current trends and sales, or do I just say **** it and throw characters onto a grid until it looks crazy enough to belong inside Sakurai's mind?

Eventually I just give up and add fifteen Fire Emblem characters.

Id get too much hate for whatever fan roster Id make.

If I go for a realistic roster, I cant guess how Sakurai works.

If I make a wishlist roster, Id get hate for it.

The solution? Dont make one.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

To be fair that **** can be any 4 letter word Maybe it was Anna posting

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If it was meant to be a name I'd call it Tharja posting

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If it was meant to be a name I'd call it Tharja posting

...You're too flat for that to work.

 

[Deleted member]

Firs of all, 4chan has done more good than Tumblr will ever do, second, look at my custom title. Why are you taking my posts seriously?

That's not what I meant
Just that every site has its bad and its good
And even if it is a ****post, it's kinda harsh to act as if Geno fans are like, you know, your usual Tumblr users
And now this is really awkward because I thought I was the king of ****posting

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ewww...

Slurpuff...

 

[SuperMii3D]

If it was meant to be a name I'd call it Tharja posting

Never would have guessed that considering your username and avatar are based off of Anna.

To each their own.

Ewww...

Slurpuff...

Swamp, nobody asked for your opinion

 

[N3ON]

Geno's popularity exists as a mere remnant of what it used to be. In many ways he was to Brawl what Ridley was to Smash 4.

Regardless, he's well past his peak, I can't see him getting in at this point unless it jumps back up to what it was in 06/07/08, which I don't imagine will ever happen, barring him making a re-appearance in a Mario game. But then I guess he'd have another reason to be included past his dwindling popularity.

As it stands, him getting the costume was more than I personally was expecting, but it was a fitting acknowledgement of his support, and it was very nice to see. Geno is a cool character from a great game, but let's not forget he's only ever had one prominent role in a spin-off title from twenty years ago and one minor cameo since. Despite how some of the fanbase treats him, it's not like he's a big deal.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

That's not what I meant
Just that every site has its bad and its good
And even if it is a ****post, it's kinda harsh to act as if Geno fans are like, you know, your usual Tumblr users
And now this is really awkward because I thought I was the king of ****posting

I know Geno fans aren't Tumblr crazy, was just a prank bro

Ewww...

Slurpuff...

It's a meringue that wants to be hugged and licked tho

 

[Kenith]

That's not what I meant
Just that every site has its bad and its good
And even if it is a ****post, it's kinda harsh to act as if Geno fans are like, you know, your usual Tumblr users
And now this is really awkward because I thought I was the king of ****posting

Wait...am I misreading this post or is this basically saying your usual Tumblr users are insane extremists?
Wouldn't that be ironic?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Wait...am I misreading this post or is this basically saying your usual Tumblr users are insane extremists?
Wouldn't that be ironic?

Fun fact: Tumblr yelled at some people for wearing kimonos because it's bad towards Japanese culture. The Tumblr users? French. The people they yelled at? Japanese

 

[Burruni]

I'll admit.
I basically try to run "safe" with a few bias picks and often end up not looking zany enough to seem plausible.
Case and point.

And, just a little extra bit.
As GameFreak has been the ones to push particular Pokemon (in general) and to Sakurai.
I swear we'll see a "tailor-made" Grass starter in Gen 7 or 8.
G'night.

 

[Deleted member]

I know Geno fans aren't Tumblr crazy, was just a prank bro

It's a meringue that wants to be hugged and licked tho

TOP TEN PRANKS THAT WENT TOO FAR GONE SEXUAL

Wait...am I misreading this post or is this basically saying your usual Tumblr users are insane extremists?
Wouldn't that be ironic?

I mean, it IS the basic stereotype associated with the site so, uh...
Something?

Fun fact: Tumblr yelled at some people for wearing kimonos because it's bad towards Japanese culture. The Tumblr users? French. The people they yelled at? Japanese

"Culture apropriation" gotta be the most stupid thing to come out of there

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'll admit.
I basically try to run "safe" with a few bias picks and often end up not looking zany enough to seem plausible.
Case and point.

And, just a little extra bit.
As GameFreak has been the ones to push particular Pokemon (in general) and to Sakurai.
I swear we'll see a "tailor-made" Grass starter in Gen 7 or 8.
G'night.

For some reason I thought of a clothing themed pokemon. Kill la Kill confirmed

 

[Deleted member]

For some reason I thought of a clothing themed pokemon. Kill la Kill confirmed

But Kamui is already in Smash!

 

[Burruni]

For some reason I thought of a clothing themed pokemon. Kill la Kill confirmed

Grass/Steel type.
Weilding garden shears.
You heard it here first folks.

But Kamui is already in Smash!

And Ragyo too.

Spoiler

 

[Kenith]

I'll admit.
I basically try to run "safe" with a few bias picks and often end up not looking zany enough to seem plausible.
Case and point.

And, just a little extra bit.
As GameFreak has been the ones to push particular Pokemon (in general) and to Sakurai.
I swear we'll see a "tailor-made" Grass starter in Gen 7 or 8.
G'night.

Bias picks detected.
You King K. Rool, Anna, Ganon, Waddle Dee, and Shantae-liking SCRUB
JK love u looks gud

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I mention Tumblr's 'culture apropriation' and what do you know, Plebcomics just did a comic based on that. Am I psychic? I'd rather be a dark type

 

[Burruni]

Bias picks detected.
You King K. Rool, Anna, Ganon, Waddle Dee, and Shantae-liking SCRUB
JK love u looks gud

Yo K. Rool and Bandana Dee have strong chances regardless of my bias.
I was MEANING Ashley/Ganon/Anna/Marshal/Shantae.

 

[Deleted member]

Plebcomics

What a pleb
Link?

I'd rather be a dark type

Ow the edge
Dark types are best tho
I mean, look at that cute german flying hydra of death

 

[Cutie Gwen]

What a pleb
Link?

Ow the edge
Dark types are best tho
I mean, look at that cute german flying hydra of death

http://plebcomics.tumblr.com/tagged/comics
Warning: Almost every single comic has swearing and controversial topics

ikr

 

[SuperMii3D]

What a pleb
Link?

Ow the edge
Dark types are best tho
I mean, look at that cute german flying hydra of death

Hydreigon?

That has a 4x weakness to Fairy type Pokemon?

rekt

 

[Coricus]

Well almost all of Disney's movies are based on existing stories/characters.


Jack of all trades master of none I suppose.


Not surprising.


1. But clearly it's also never Sakurai's priority to bring back all characters. That hasn't happened since 64, so to suggest it will now when the roster is at its most bloated seems a little misguided. And you're right, we probably are going to lose Lucina and Dark Pit, so there's a good a place as any to start.

2. No, not cutting characters who have reasons why they might not return, such as being clones, low priority, or of ownership other than Nintendo has plausibility to it. Also, it's a dangerous path to go down sacrificing the integrity of your roster just to keep people here from disagreeing with you.

I very vividly remember a time when excluding Pokemon Trainer or ICs or Snake would cause people to get all riled up. As did including like half the newcomers we wound up with, and look how all that turned out.


Nice. I'd throw in some less typical choices (but ones that still have some reasoning behind them).


Yeah... it's not the best for singing at a karaoke bar... but if you go to one of those places where you can get individual rooms with a group of friends or something and end up getting a few drinks I'm sure no one would care lol.

I remember I sang (with a group of people) the Circle of Life at a karaoke bar before, haha. Sure it's not about lusting after gypsies or wanting to burn people and stuff, but it's also not like... Under the Sea (which has the best lyric ever in a Disney song, you know which one it is) or Let it Go or something. I certainly wasn't sober though. xD

EDIT: I'm listening to Under the Sea again... it'd actually be pretty ****ed up to randomly karaoke that song lmao


I know I'm done with prediction rosters. Partly because I couldn't even call it a prediction... it'd be a guess. I predict Inkling, and a RH character if Sakurai is still working on the series (and RH continues to get games), and probably Isabelle too, but other than that... no idea. Plus it's so far away, the Smash 5 roster is probably going to have a handful of characters on it that aren't even out yet. :x

Well it's still not all the way to 1.0 status, but the two non-veteran clones, K. Rool, and Pichu are gone, Impa is there so I can avoid any more Zelda comments without picking a two-shot, and. . . the character I realized was probably going to be the most likely third party choice of all had no icon I could find.

^These three aren't part of the roster, I just like them.

Clearly going to be edited more when I can pull it off, but this is the extent of my epiphany. I'm not shoving Tails to the bottom group until I think of a few more third parties other than Jibanyan that I don't want to punch in the face. (or. . .do, I guess. I mean, it's Smash. . .)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Quick Challenge.

Sega All Stars!

Rules:

1. Cannot remove any Sega owned series from the Racing games. They must be included.
2. Add at least 10 more series.
3. Each character has to have a rival that isn't from their series.

Go.

 

[Geno Boost]

I definitely have avoided tumblr at any given situation as I do with most standard social media.
I saw requests for Geno on youtube comments, yes.
But there were a LOT of characters I saw of comparable levels. Ranging from Wolf to Bomberman to Shrek to Goku to Freddy Fazbear to Shantae to Reckless Wiimote Safety Man to Rayman to Banjo-Kazooie.
Geno's problems from Brawl-era and Sm4sh-era speculation are by and large still present and his request potency has diminished which was by all means his biggest factor.
His situation has not gotten better by virtue of the Mii Costume to any significant level in my opinion.

Well it's just your opinion so ok.

 

[Solfiner]

i'd be a fairy type cuz i wanna be pretty in pink

 

[Kenith]

Yo K. Rool and Bandana Dee have strong chances regardless of my bias.
I was MEANING Ashley/Ganon/Anna/Marshal/Shantae.

You think so?
I have a hard time swallowing them having good chances to be honest...

 

[Aetheri]

I just posted this in another thread but since others posted their's I guess it's my turn to get yelled at...

just remember before calling bias...Corrin is still here...

Spoiler

Still biased tho...

 

[Deleted member]

Really though
The cutest of all Pokemon has got to be the Joltik line
Just look at that cute tiny fluffy spider
That can immobilize you with the blink of an eye
And you better hope one of them doesn't evolve inside your house
'Cause a cute giant fluffy spider that can kill you is ten times worse and cuter

Hydreigon?

That has a 4x weakness to Fairy type Pokemon?

View attachment 94748 rekt

Good luck having Slurpuff survive a Flash Cannon then

 

[Kenith]

I just posted this in another thread but since others posted their's I guess it's my turn to get yelled at...
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just remember before calling bias...Corrin is still here...

Spoiler

Still biased tho...

Holy ****, Midna, Weavile, Ashley...
If there's anyone's bias I'd like controlling Smash's roster, it's yours.

 

[Coricus]

I just posted this in another thread but since others posted their's I guess it's my turn to get yelled at...
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just remember before calling bias...Corrin is still here...

Spoiler

Still biased tho...

My hatred of most things third party is tingling, but props for actually finding a past-gen Pokémon that I'm not immediately offended by seeing on a roster.

All Hail Weavile!

 

[Solfiner]

Really though
The cutest of all Pokemon

stunfisk

 

[Opossum]

lol that won't happen not to mention the fact there are possibly characters yet to be introduced and games yet to release that will warrant Smash additions

Realistic based on what we know. That, and placeholders. Mainly because I personally think the next go-around will feature a smaller set of newcomers in order to bring back as many veterans as possible.

That being said, here's what I went with. Like I said, this is my as of now prediction, not taking into account things that haven't happened yet (obviously). Likewise, it's subject to change, and believe me it will, over time. After all, a prediction roster should be organic and able to change with the times it lives through. I guess you can say it's at "this stage" of its metamorphosis.

Spoiler

Now yes, there are cuts, so I'll go over those first.

Cuts:
- Doctor Mario
- Dark Pit
- Roy

These are the characters I felt were the most expendable. As well, one of Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, or Greninja may join them for reasons I'll detail below, but if they do, they'll almost assuredly be DLC. As well, of the cut characters, Roy is, in my opinion, still a strong DLC contender. I just don't see him as a main roster character. Finally, Cloud might be held off for DLC again, but I have enough faith that he'll stay either way that I put him on the roster anyway. I don't see Doc or Dark DLC happening.

Additionally, Wolf and the Ice Climbers are brought back. Yay!

Now, for Newcomers:
- Dixie Kong
- King K. Rool
- Midna
- Takamaru
- Generation 7/8 Pokemon (not pictured because I want the roster to be pretty, dammit)
- Isabelle
- Elma
- Chibi Robo
- Chorus Kids
- Wonder Red
- Henry Fleming
- Inkling
- Lara Croft
- Additional Third Party placeholder (Snake's return/Rayman/Shovel Knight, I'd guess)

Donkey Kong would be the series to receive two characters this time around, like Super Mario, Fire Emblem, Kirby, and Pokemon before it. Dixie has made her return to the main series and would offer a grappler-styled moveset with her hair, while K. Rool is a fan favorite (and, IMO, likely to return in the next DKC game).

I think The Legend of Zelda's due for a newcomer, and Midna continues to be a character they continue to push, "no side characters" fan rule be damned.

Takamaru gets in as the token retro after Sakurai notices his popularity increase post-4 disconfirmation. Samurai styled moveset.

New Pokemon is obvious enough.

No New Fire Emblem Character - Instead of a new character, I opted for changing up Lucina instead. While some characters stay the same throughout games despite fan requests (Ganondorf), revamps do happen, like with Pit and Bowser. And seeing as Lucina's style is just Marth's without a tipper mechanic, the style itself isn't lost, as generally, despite the tip difference, Marth and Lucina play incredibly similarly. Instead, Lucina's revamp draws from her Awakening appearance, including her unique stance, nimble stabbing maneuvers, and the use of Lances and Javelins (her Great Lord class) and Bows (her Archer reclass, Monster Hunter Frontier, and Code Name: S.T.E.A.M.). This way, she also delves into more of Fire Emblem's weaponry instead of being "just another sword wielder." This means that Fire Emblem has Swords, Lances, Bows, Magic, and Transformations/Dragonstones covered, leaving just Axes, Staves, and Hidden Weapons out of the main weapon types. That's great representation of the series. I chose to keep Lucina over Roy due to her overwhelming popularity and marketability, which surpass Roy's. Roy works best as DLC since Smash fans will buy him. The same isn't necessarily true for Lucina.

Isabelle - After the Inkling, I strongly feel she's the next closest to being called a shoo-in. Simple as that really. Highly marketable, popular, and from a huge Nintendo series.

Elma - A popular character from a well-received game. Haven't played X and don't really plan to, but apparently there's a sequel hook, so the potential for longevity is there.

Chorus Kids - Likely planned for Smash 4. Rhythm Heaven's a four game series now and incredibly popular in Japan. I do think these guys would get in first, but I could see Karate Joe or the Wrestler and Reporter getting in as well, due to popularity. Rhythm gimmicks!

Chibi-Robo, Wonder Red, and Henry Fleming - "B-but muh dead series!" I understand that, but here's the thing. What other franchises are there to pull from? When the roster gets this expansive, things can be stretched a bit. For Chibi, Henry, and Wonder Red, it'd be less about marketability and more about gameplay. You have the rest of the roster for the former. Why not have some fun with the latter? A turret-styled moveset with whip-like moves thrown in, a close combat small brawler who can have tons of Unite moves with hitbox variance, and a steam mechanic mixed with precision shooting? Those all sound like interesting styles to me. To be more cautious, I could see at least one of these guys being left out. Chibi's been around for a long time, while the other two are considered hidden gems by many despite not selling well (I won't say bombed, since technically we don't know the budget for TW101 or S.T.E.A.M., so we can't tell if the sales weren't enough to offset the cost), and also had sequel hooks. But still, all three are worthy of the roster by virtue of gameplay alone.

Inkling - The only true shoo-in for the next Smash. Call it presumptuous all you like, but it's true. Come at me. Focus on covering as much terrain as possible to increase mobility and rate of fire. While Henry's shooting focuses on precision and conservation, Inklings are the opposite, throwing as much at the opponent as possible.

With third parties, this becomes a bit more of a long shot, as there really aren't a lot of stand out ones left, so bare with me.

Lara Croft - Coming up with third parties at this point is hard. Lara's really the only one who reaches that level of iconicness that the rest (sans Bayonetta, who got in by popularity as opposed to being an icon) that not even Rayman can achieve without going into Western-owned franchises (as I think they are less likely to get characters...just a theory though). Seeing as, while made in the West, she is owned by a Japanese company (Square Enix) who already has a character on the roster, I can see it happening. She'd take a moveset inspired by both her classic and modern forms, using her pistols, a bow and various arrow types (along with a crafting mechanic!), and her climbing axe to fight, with some close combat mixed in with acrobatic kicking moves. Tomb Raider has had quite a few games on Nintendo consoles as well, and if the NX is up to snuff enough, I can see Square Enix putting some of the more modern games on it as well.

Snake/Other Third Party - I think we'd get one more, but I'm conflicted as to whom. Snake could return if Konami allows it. If that doesn't happen, I say Rayman due to popularity. If THAT doesn't happen, I can see Shovel Knight happening, especially if the series continues and Nintendo wants an Indie character to represent their good standing with indie developers. Consider this the second biggest placeholder slot after the new Pokemon. On the roster, I just represented this place with Snake for simplicity.

So yeah. Those are my thoughts for now. Of course, they're likely to change as new games come out/don't come out, but this is like the prototype version of my Smash 5 roster. There's some characters from Nintendo from more minor/low sale stuff, but that's mainly due to Nintendo not having too many more character-driven IPs left, but these guys fit the bill well enough.

Not really looking for a critique, really. Just wanted to share my thoughts.

 

[Aetheri]

Realistic based on what we know. That, and placeholders. Mainly because I personally think the next go-around will feature a smaller set of newcomers in order to bring back as many veterans as possible.

That being said, here's what I went with. Like I said, this is my as of now prediction, not taking into account things that haven't happened yet (obviously). Likewise, it's subject to change, and believe me it will, over time. After all, a prediction roster should be organic and able to change with the times it lives through. I guess you can say it's at "this stage" of its metamorphosis.

Spoiler

View attachment 94743
Now yes, there are cuts, so I'll go over those first.

Cuts:
- Doctor Mario
- Dark Pit
- Roy

These are the characters I felt were the most expendable. As well, one of Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, or Greninja may join them for reasons I'll detail below, but if they do, they'll almost assuredly be DLC. As well, of the cut characters, Roy is, in my opinion, still a strong DLC contender. I just don't see him as a main roster character. Finally, Cloud might be held off for DLC again, but I have enough faith that he'll stay either way that I put him on the roster anyway. I don't see Doc or Dark DLC happening.

Additionally, Wolf and the Ice Climbers are brought back. Yay!

Now, for Newcomers:
- Dixie Kong
- King K. Rool
- Midna
- Takamaru
- Generation 7/8 Pokemon (not pictured because I want the roster to be pretty, dammit)
- Isabelle
- Elma
- Chibi Robo
- Chorus Kids
- Wonder Red
- Henry Fleming
- Inkling
- Lara Croft
- Additional Third Party placeholder (Snake's return/Rayman/Shovel Knight, I'd guess)

Donkey Kong would be the series to receive two characters this time around, like Super Mario, Fire Emblem, Kirby, and Pokemon before it. Dixie has made her return to the main series and would offer a grappler-styled moveset with her hair, while K. Rool is a fan favorite (and, IMO, likely to return in the next DKC game).

I think The Legend of Zelda's due for a newcomer, and Midna continues to be a character they continue to push, "no side characters" fan rule be damned.

Takamaru gets in as the token retro after Sakurai notices his popularity increase post-4 disconfirmation. Samurai styled moveset.

New Pokemon is obvious enough.

No New Fire Emblem Character - Instead of a new character, I opted for changing up Lucina instead. While some characters stay the same throughout games despite fan requests (Ganondorf), revamps do happen, like with Pit and Bowser. And seeing as Lucina's style is just Marth's without a tipper mechanic, the style itself isn't lost, as generally, despite the tip difference, Marth and Lucina play incredibly similarly. Instead, Lucina's revamp draws from her Awakening appearance, including her unique stance, nimble stabbing maneuvers, and the use of Lances and Javelins (her Great Lord class) and Bows (her Archer reclass, Monster Hunter Frontier, and Code Name: S.T.E.A.M.). This way, she also delves into more of Fire Emblem's weaponry instead of being "just another sword wielder." This means that Fire Emblem has Swords, Lances, Bows, Magic, and Transformations/Dragonstones covered, leaving just Axes, Staves, and Hidden Weapons out of the main weapon types. That's great representation of the series. I chose to keep Lucina over Roy due to her overwhelming popularity and marketability, which surpass Roy's. Roy works best as DLC since Smash fans will buy him. The same isn't necessarily true for Lucina.

Isabelle - After the Inkling, I strongly feel she's the next closest to being called a shoo-in. Simple as that really. Highly marketable, popular, and from a huge Nintendo series.

Elma - A popular character from a well-received game. Haven't played X and don't really plan to, but apparently there's a sequel hook, so the potential for longevity is there.

Chorus Kids - Likely planned for Smash 4. Rhythm Heaven's a four game series now and incredibly popular in Japan. I do think these guys would get in first, but I could see Karate Joe or the Wrestler and Reporter getting in as well, due to popularity. Rhythm gimmicks!

Chibi-Robo, Wonder Red, and Henry Fleming - "B-but muh dead series!" I understand that, but here's the thing. What other franchises are there to pull from? When the roster gets this expansive, things can be stretched a bit. For Chibi, Henry, and Wonder Red, it'd be less about marketability and more about gameplay. You have the rest of the roster for the former. Why not have some fun with the latter? A turret-styled moveset with whip-like moves thrown in, a close combat small brawler who can have tons of Unite moves with hitbox variance, and a steam mechanic mixed with precision shooting? Those all sound like interesting styles to me. To be more cautious, I could see at least one of these guys being left out. Chibi's been around for a long time, while the other two are considered hidden gems by many despite not selling well (I won't say bombed, since technically we don't know the budget for TW101 or S.T.E.A.M., so we can't tell if the sales weren't enough to offset the cost), and also had sequel hooks. But still, all three are worthy of the roster by virtue of gameplay alone.

Inkling - The only true shoo-in for the next Smash. Call it presumptuous all you like, but it's true. Come at me. Focus on covering as much terrain as possible to increase mobility and rate of fire. While Henry's shooting focuses on precision and conservation, Inklings are the opposite, throwing as much at the opponent as possible.

With third parties, this becomes a bit more of a long shot, as there really aren't a lot of stand out ones left, so bare with me.

Lara Croft - Coming up with third parties at this point is hard. Lara's really the only one who reaches that level of iconicness that the rest (sans Bayonetta, who got in by popularity as opposed to being an icon) that not even Rayman can achieve without going into Western-owned franchises (as I think they are less likely to get characters...just a theory though). Seeing as, while made in the West, she is owned by a Japanese company (Square Enix) who already has a character on the roster, I can see it happening. She'd take a moveset inspired by both her classic and modern forms, using her pistols, a bow and various arrow types (along with a crafting mechanic!), and her climbing axe to fight, with some close combat mixed in with acrobatic kicking moves. Tomb Raider has had quite a few games on Nintendo consoles as well, and if the NX is up to snuff enough, I can see Square Enix putting some of the more modern games on it as well.

Snake/Other Third Party - I think we'd get one more, but I'm conflicted as to whom. Snake could return if Konami allows it. If that doesn't happen, I say Rayman due to popularity. If THAT doesn't happen, I can see Shovel Knight happening, especially if the series continues and Nintendo wants an Indie character to represent their good standing with indie developers. Consider this the second biggest placeholder slot after the new Pokemon. On the roster, I just represented this place with Snake for simplicity.

So yeah. Those are my thoughts for now. Of course, they're likely to change as new games come out/don't come out, but this is like the prototype version of my Smash 5 roster. There's some characters from Nintendo from more minor/low sale stuff, but that's mainly due to Nintendo not having too many more character-driven IPs left, but these guys fit the bill well enough.

Not really looking for a critique, really. Just wanted to share my thoughts.

+Midna
+Elma
+Lara Croft

Wait.......No Chrom?

 

[Kenith]

Realistic based on what we know. That, and placeholders. Mainly because I personally think the next go-around will feature a smaller set of newcomers in order to bring back as many veterans as possible.

That being said, here's what I went with. Like I said, this is my as of now prediction, not taking into account things that haven't happened yet (obviously). Likewise, it's subject to change, and believe me it will, over time. After all, a prediction roster should be organic and able to change with the times it lives through. I guess you can say it's at "this stage" of its metamorphosis.

Spoiler

View attachment 94743
Now yes, there are cuts, so I'll go over those first.

Cuts:
- Doctor Mario
- Dark Pit
- Roy

These are the characters I felt were the most expendable. As well, one of Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, or Greninja may join them for reasons I'll detail below, but if they do, they'll almost assuredly be DLC. As well, of the cut characters, Roy is, in my opinion, still a strong DLC contender. I just don't see him as a main roster character. Finally, Cloud might be held off for DLC again, but I have enough faith that he'll stay either way that I put him on the roster anyway. I don't see Doc or Dark DLC happening.

Additionally, Wolf and the Ice Climbers are brought back. Yay!

Now, for Newcomers:
- Dixie Kong
- King K. Rool
- Midna
- Takamaru
- Generation 7/8 Pokemon (not pictured because I want the roster to be pretty, dammit)
- Isabelle
- Elma
- Chibi Robo
- Chorus Kids
- Wonder Red
- Henry Fleming
- Inkling
- Lara Croft
- Additional Third Party placeholder (Snake's return/Rayman/Shovel Knight, I'd guess)

Donkey Kong would be the series to receive two characters this time around, like Super Mario, Fire Emblem, Kirby, and Pokemon before it. Dixie has made her return to the main series and would offer a grappler-styled moveset with her hair, while K. Rool is a fan favorite (and, IMO, likely to return in the next DKC game).

I think The Legend of Zelda's due for a newcomer, and Midna continues to be a character they continue to push, "no side characters" fan rule be damned.

Takamaru gets in as the token retro after Sakurai notices his popularity increase post-4 disconfirmation. Samurai styled moveset.

New Pokemon is obvious enough.

No New Fire Emblem Character - Instead of a new character, I opted for changing up Lucina instead. While some characters stay the same throughout games despite fan requests (Ganondorf), revamps do happen, like with Pit and Bowser. And seeing as Lucina's style is just Marth's without a tipper mechanic, the style itself isn't lost, as generally, despite the tip difference, Marth and Lucina play incredibly similarly. Instead, Lucina's revamp draws from her Awakening appearance, including her unique stance, nimble stabbing maneuvers, and the use of Lances and Javelins (her Great Lord class) and Bows (her Archer reclass, Monster Hunter Frontier, and Code Name: S.T.E.A.M.). This way, she also delves into more of Fire Emblem's weaponry instead of being "just another sword wielder." This means that Fire Emblem has Swords, Lances, Bows, Magic, and Transformations/Dragonstones covered, leaving just Axes, Staves, and Hidden Weapons out of the main weapon types. That's great representation of the series. I chose to keep Lucina over Roy due to her overwhelming popularity and marketability, which surpass Roy's. Roy works best as DLC since Smash fans will buy him. The same isn't necessarily true for Lucina.

Isabelle - After the Inkling, I strongly feel she's the next closest to being called a shoo-in. Simple as that really. Highly marketable, popular, and from a huge Nintendo series.

Elma - A popular character from a well-received game. Haven't played X and don't really plan to, but apparently there's a sequel hook, so the potential for longevity is there.

Chorus Kids - Likely planned for Smash 4. Rhythm Heaven's a four game series now and incredibly popular in Japan. I do think these guys would get in first, but I could see Karate Joe or the Wrestler and Reporter getting in as well, due to popularity. Rhythm gimmicks!

Chibi-Robo, Wonder Red, and Henry Fleming - "B-but muh dead series!" I understand that, but here's the thing. What other franchises are there to pull from? When the roster gets this expansive, things can be stretched a bit. For Chibi, Henry, and Wonder Red, it'd be less about marketability and more about gameplay. You have the rest of the roster for the former. Why not have some fun with the latter? A turret-styled moveset with whip-like moves thrown in, a close combat small brawler who can have tons of Unite moves with hitbox variance, and a steam mechanic mixed with precision shooting? Those all sound like interesting styles to me. To be more cautious, I could see at least one of these guys being left out. Chibi's been around for a long time, while the other two are considered hidden gems by many despite not selling well (I won't say bombed, since technically we don't know the budget for TW101 or S.T.E.A.M., so we can't tell if the sales weren't enough to offset the cost), and also had sequel hooks. But still, all three are worthy of the roster by virtue of gameplay alone.

Inkling - The only true shoo-in for the next Smash. Call it presumptuous all you like, but it's true. Come at me. Focus on covering as much terrain as possible to increase mobility and rate of fire. While Henry's shooting focuses on precision and conservation, Inklings are the opposite, throwing as much at the opponent as possible.

With third parties, this becomes a bit more of a long shot, as there really aren't a lot of stand out ones left, so bare with me.

Lara Croft - Coming up with third parties at this point is hard. Lara's really the only one who reaches that level of iconicness that the rest (sans Bayonetta, who got in by popularity as opposed to being an icon) that not even Rayman can achieve without going into Western-owned franchises (as I think they are less likely to get characters...just a theory though). Seeing as, while made in the West, she is owned by a Japanese company (Square Enix) who already has a character on the roster, I can see it happening. She'd take a moveset inspired by both her classic and modern forms, using her pistols, a bow and various arrow types (along with a crafting mechanic!), and her climbing axe to fight, with some close combat mixed in with acrobatic kicking moves. Tomb Raider has had quite a few games on Nintendo consoles as well, and if the NX is up to snuff enough, I can see Square Enix putting some of the more modern games on it as well.

Snake/Other Third Party - I think we'd get one more, but I'm conflicted as to whom. Snake could return if Konami allows it. If that doesn't happen, I say Rayman due to popularity. If THAT doesn't happen, I can see Shovel Knight happening, especially if the series continues and Nintendo wants an Indie character to represent their good standing with indie developers. Consider this the second biggest placeholder slot after the new Pokemon. On the roster, I just represented this place with Snake for simplicity.

So yeah. Those are my thoughts for now. Of course, they're likely to change as new games come out/don't come out, but this is like the prototype version of my Smash 5 roster. There's some characters from Nintendo from more minor/low sale stuff, but that's mainly due to Nintendo not having too many more character-driven IPs left, but these guys fit the bill well enough.

Not really looking for a critique, really. Just wanted to share my thoughts.

Seeing someone who is both as insightful as you and saying what I've been saying about Midna is...very nice. :^)
I agree with pretty much everything I'm seeing here, even the cuts.

Not sure about Fleming, Chibi-Robo and Wonder Red, but you're right, we don't know if their series are dead or not. Personally though, I feel like we're only going to get one character that fits into that category.

Can't contest Chorus Kids but I still feel Karate Joe is the stronger candidate.

Lara Croft is cool and if we get more iconic 3rd parties she's up there in likelihood.

9/10

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Unless we get Twilight Princess 2 or something, Midna ain't getting in at this point.

I mean, I'm not against a one shot character being added from Zelda (even though I prefer Impa), but it's gonna be someone relevant when it happens.

That being said, Midna, King of Red Lions or Groose would make me squee.

 

[Opossum]

+Midna
+Elma
+Lara Croft

Wait.......No Chrom?

Well I mean, there's only a certain amount of realism vs idealism a roster like this can have. I love Chrom to death, but I'm not gonna pretend like he's got great chances for next time outside of a direct Awakening sequel. And even then it might just strengthen Robin's/Lucina's case for returning instead.

 

[Coricus]

Quick Challenge.

Sega All Stars!

Rules:

1. Cannot remove any Sega owned series from the Racing games. They must be included.
2. Add at least 10 more series.
3. Each character has to have a rival that isn't from their series.

Go.

. . .I can't think that hard.

Ecco (fishtank caaaaar), Vectorman, Toejam/Earl, Ristar, Bayonetta (sure they kept her out because she was too much before, but after Team Fortress 2 characters and the Communist on PC I think they can change their minds on that), Alis. . .I'm not versed enough to finish this. David or what's his face from Light Crusader. And, like, those Altered Beast and Streets of Rage games.

And, uh. Night Trap. Yeah, that won't backfire at all.

Ecco can be rivals with Toejam and Earl because Ecco does not do well with aliens and TJ&E don't do well with Earthlings.