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[#HBC | Joker]

Why didn't you vote for him before I unvoted then?

 

[Kantrip]

Will get to this after work

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Holy ****, all the ninjas.

 

[Dooms]

I do not understand how you come to this. Don't have negative repercussions? I was voting for the guy. I felt there was nothing else of value. Your post was odd, but it didn't make it scum. You also hadn't posted since I mentioned that, what more was there to say other then that it was odd? Ryker was a better chance, but I wasn't positive. So I was voting for him but wasn't comfortable lynching him. That is right there when someone says they're voting for someone early day 1 but "aren't positive".

When you have to repeatedly say "I'm not sure if he's scum" or "I don't think he's scummy" with your vote, then it looks very bad and it looks like an attempt to redirect pressure in the case that your vote goes somewhere, or to make your vote look less serious. Pretty straight forward, no?

The fact of the matter is that you attempted to say "he was the only lead I had" and things like that when you in fact did have someone else you were suspicious of. You tried to get rid of pressure on you by saying that he was your only lead, when in reality you had what you currently are using on me.

bbl league

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Unvote

May go back on, but I'm out for now and don't want the day to end.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

unvote
wasnt gorf the hammer tho?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

****, you're right.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Cop Kantrip.

 

[Kantrip]

Wait is Day over? **** I didn't even have a chance to get reads yet

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Well that just happened, see ya all tomorrow.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

well at least i got maven

u set me up bro
let this be a lesson forever and ever

dont **** with the hbc

#HBC #HBC #HBC #HBC #HBC #HBC

 

[Maven89]

When you have to repeatedly say "I'm not sure if he's scum" or "I don't think he's scummy" with your vote, then it looks very bad and it looks like an attempt to redirect pressure in the case that your vote goes somewhere, or to make your vote look less serious. Pretty straight forward, no?

It wasn't that serious of a vote, but I have no idea how you can pretend that that makes it scummy. Does no one remember that it's early day !? Someone should not be almost lynched because they don't have confident scum reads when the game has basically just started.

[quote="#HBC | Joey, post: 17911552, member: 150954"The fact of the matter is that you attempted to say "he was the only lead I had" and things like that when you in fact did have someone else you were suspicious of. You tried to get rid of pressure on you by saying that he was your only lead, when in reality you had what you currently are using on me.[/quote]

No, you were not a lead. You were a brief blip.

 

[Maven89]

Guys really

Joker unvoted me, Joey voted. That means it's still L-2. Then Gorf votes and unvotes. I'm still at L-2

 

[Dooms]

No, you were not a lead. You were a brief blip.

If this is a case, then why are you using the same reasoning on me?

@Joker: Because I didn't want a premature lynch. I've already stated this.

 

[Maven89]

If this is a case, then why are you using the same reasoning on me?

Lol are you kidding me? I'm mentioning it because you guys are trying to lynch me for not talking about other people. Or at least that's one of the reasons? I'm shaking my head at this whole thing because I just do not see how I'm about to be lynched. I do not get the reasoning behind it. You are mistaking caution for grime and are doing it for no reason

 

[Maven89]

But really Joey, you guys asked me to talk about what I have on other people. That was one of them. That was why I mentioned it.

 

[Maven89]

Guys really

Joker unvoted me, Joey voted. That means it's still L-2. Then Gorf votes and unvotes. I'm still at L-2

this is wrong because i didn't count in ryker/s zozo's unvotes, i'm at l-4 and not so bad, but i'm assuming at least one is going to revote when they see i'm not dead

 

[#HBC | Joker]

If this is a case, then why are you using the same reasoning on me?

@Joker: Because I didn't want a premature lynch. I've already stated this.

So you don't want him to die, but you want credit for pressuring him, even tho you're actually not doing anything to pressure him?

 

[Maven89]

Joey's recent push seems very off to me and I'm willing to switch my vote from Ryu to Joey depending on more

 

[Kantrip]

So you don't want him to die, but you want credit for pressuring him, even tho you're actually not doing anything to pressure him?

Ew at this

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You're losing your head now, Maven. The majority of your wagonners is playing scummy but that doesn't mean that they are all actually scum.

Hint: Laundry and nobody else is the scummiest player on your wagon.

 

[Maven89]

How Laundry?

 

[Maven89]

I also think if Gorf doesn't start talking we lynch him on principle

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Ew at this

Ew yourself. Who is scum?

 

[Dooms]

So you don't want him to die, but you want credit for pressuring him, even tho you're actually not doing anything to pressure him?

I don't want him to die without claiming, no. I'd prefer to not lynch our one and only pr prematurely.

 

[Kantrip]

Ew yourself. Who is scum?

No clue. More later

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I don't want him to die without claiming, no. I'd prefer to not lynch our one and only pr prematurely.

you didn't ask him to claim tho.

 

[Dooms]

you didn't ask him to claim tho.

Why should I have to ask? It's pretty obvious he was on the chopping block (obvious enough to where he felt he was), so I see no reason to be like "claim or die" especially considering how little I actually contributed to the push as a whole.

Lol are you kidding me? I'm mentioning it because you guys are trying to lynch me for not talking about other people. Or at least that's one of the reasons? I'm shaking my head at this whole thing because I just do not see how I'm about to be lynched. I do not get the reasoning behind it. You are mistaking caution for grime and are doing it for no reason

I'm voting you because you reacted to Ryker horribly, you went from defending yourself to attacking him in an attempt to get pressure off of you, and you tried to play the "Ryker was the only person I found suspicious" card when there were others you found suspicious.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Why should I have to ask? It's pretty obvious he was on the chopping block (obvious enough to where he felt he was), so I see no reason to be like "claim or die" especially considering how little I actually contributed to the push as a whole.

That doesn't make any sense. You think he's scum, but you also think he might be a town PR? You want him to claim, but you don't want to tell him to?

Are you gonna make any effort to obtain information? Or are you just gonna keep jumping on whatever wagon looks like it might develop past L-2, but not actually vote past L-2 yourself?

 

[Kantrip]

Ew again

Yeah Ryker I think I have an answer to your question

 

[Maven89]

Joey almost everything you said something that's either already been addressed or just made up. You're attributing sinister motives when you have no reason to think so. I never went off to attack Ryker, right at the start I brought up that I didn't like his push on me but that I wasn't sure if it was scummy or not. People keep complaining about that, and so I clarified again and again what my Ryker read is. But my read hasn't changed.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

swag 1-2

Joker (1) -- Gorf
Chaco
Ryker (1) -- Potassium
Gheb
Laundry (1) -- Gheb
Potassium
Gorf
Maven (3) -- Laundry, Ryu, Joey
Joey (1) -- Jim Morrison
Zozo
Jim Morrison
Red Ryu (1) -- Maven

Not voting -- Joker, Chaco, Ryker, Zozo


[collapse=swag history]
Joker: Joey > Maven > Unvote
Chaco
Ryker: Joker > Red Ryu > Joker > Maven > Unvote
Gheb: Joker > Laundry
Laundry: Potassium > Red Ryu > Maven
Potassium: Laundry > Ryker
Gorf: Joker > Joey > Red Ryu > Joey > Red Ryu > Joker > Joker
Maven: Joker > Unvote > Ryker > Red Ryu
Joey: Ryker > Red Ryu > Unvote > Maven
Zozo: Maven > Joey > Maven > Unvote
Jim Morrison: Zozo > Joey
Red Ryu: Gorf > Joey > Maven
[/collapse]

7/12 votes to kill a man
day ends 7th at midnight est
ish

 

[Dooms]

That doesn't make any sense. You think he's scum, but you also think he might be a town PR? You want him to claim, but you don't want to tell him to?

Are you gonna make any effort to obtain information? Or are you just gonna keep jumping on whatever wagon looks like it might develop past L-2, but not actually vote past L-2 yourself?

I do think he's scum. I'm not going to be that guy that assumes I'm 100% right though. I know there is error in reading people, especially with someone like myself.

I don't feel a need to tell him to claim when he's at that point of the wagon. I wanted to wait for a claim post before hammering, though. The fact that he's refusing to claim and trying to jump on any wagon that's not him makes me feel that he's either VT or scum (most likely the later).

It's really not that hard to understand. You're just reaching lmao. Your last sentence is further proof of that. You're assuming that because I voted Maven (and have stated why I'm on the wagon) that I am going to continue to just jump on the popular lynch for no reason. Who is the one that's not making sense here, exactly?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Just letting everyone know I'm smack in the middle of an exam week, I'll be reading up, but not have much time to dig up and process until friday afternoon.

What I gathered from what I've been reading is that Maven is playing really dumb and is getting tangled up in what he said earlier. I don't think it's a good reason to lynch him though. I dislike Joey even more

I don't want him to die without claiming, no. I'd prefer to not lynch our one and only pr prematurely.

I don't like this post but I can't really put in words right now why, I've been trying for 5 minutes.

Can someone please tell me if Gorf is gonna make sense later in the game or is it gonna be like this all the time and I just have to attempt and read what he's trying to convey (let alone read what alignment he is, that looks like a nightmare).

Jim out.

 

[Dooms]

Joey almost everything you said something that's either already been addressed or just made up. You're attributing sinister motives when you have no reason to think so. I never went off to attack Ryker, right at the start I brought up that I didn't like his push on me but that I wasn't sure if it was scummy or not. People keep complaining about that, and so I clarified again and again what my Ryker read is. But my read hasn't changed.

I specifically remember you saying on multiple occasions "I'm not sure if Ryker's just bad or if he's scum" or "He's either awful or scum, but considering people's opinions on him, it's probably the latter." and that's just off of the top of my head. You haven't attacked him?

 

[Jim Morrison]

EBWOP: "I don't think it's a good reason to lynch him though"
Should be "good enough reason", I would want more on him to lynch him.

 

[Maven89]

I specifically remember you saying on multiple occasions "I'm not sure if Ryker's just bad or if he's scum" or "He's either awful or scum, but considering people's opinions on him, it's probably the latter." and that's just off of the top of my head. You haven't attacked him?

Yes. That's not an attack, and it was only brought up again when people hounded me on the read.

I still feel like saying "he's non-commital early in Day 1 get him" is horrible play. People have explained how I was non-commital early on. They have not explained why that makes me scum over town.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

same as guus btw im in the middle of deadline galore so dont expect much from me

 

[Dooms]

That's not an attack.

lmao. okay. Saying that someone either doesn't know how to play or is scum =/= attack. Good to know.

I still feel like saying "he's non-commital early in Day 1 get him" is horrible play. People have explained how I was non-commital early on. They have not explained why that makes me scum over town.

Where did someone even say this? Point this out. I don't recall this ever being said.

I saw this being said by you, though. That brings up another problem I have with you on reread. You finish peoples sentences for them. Ryu says "I voted you because you reacted terribly to Ryker's posts commenting on you, and continued to react poorly to it." and your response isn't just defending that point. You're assuming that he means this specifically "By refusing to come down on town/scum for Ryker? How is that scummy?" This is scummy because it makes defending yourself way easier and shows that you're trying to just get pressure off of yourself instead of trying to figure out why he's actually scum reading you. You also did this with Ryker when you assumed that he thought you were suspicious because of your unvote on Joker specifically.

Where did your Ryker suspicion go anyways? I don't understand how you got a conclusion that Red Ryu > Ryker so quickly when prior to Ryker asking you your thoughts on others you were only focused on saving yourself.

A better question is why does this not apply to me: "I don't see why I shouldn't push against a terrible push against me, how else is content going to be generated?"

You use the fact that I debated Joker's awful acronym push on me as something suspicious, yet you expect people not to do the same for yourself and use it as a line of reasoning to say that you're NOT scum? I don't get it.

On another note.

Look at how he jumped onto it after my flip and the way he pushed it later, especially him trying to get someone else to put me at L-1. Looks like he's hoping for a quick hammer

holy ****.

Well that just happened, see ya all tomorrow.

HOLY ****.

I was re-reading and I saw this point from Maven. It's actually pretty accurate considering how Ryu reacted when the "lynch" happened.

Whoa. I don't think Red Ryu = Maven to say the least. I need to think about Ryu more.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

I do think he's scum. I'm not going to be that guy that assumes I'm 100% right though. I know there is error in reading people, especially with someone like myself.

I don't feel a need to tell him to claim when he's at that point of the wagon. I wanted to wait for a claim post before hammering, though. The fact that he's refusing to claim and trying to jump on any wagon that's not him makes me feel that he's either VT or scum (most likely the later).

It's really not that hard to understand. You're just reaching lmao. Your last sentence is further proof of that. You're assuming that because I voted Maven (and have stated why I'm on the wagon) that I am going to continue to just jump on the popular lynch for no reason. Who is the one that's not making sense here, exactly?

He's either VT, or scum?

So you're just gonna keep sitting on your vote, and not scumhunt? I mean, if you were actually at all interested in seeing him claim, you'd ask him to claim.

Ew again

Yeah Ryker I think I have an answer to your question

Are you gonna actually play this game, or are you just gonna sit there making snide little comments? You keep saying "Ew", but you're literally not doing anything when you say that.