Swag Halloween Mafia --- swag NEVER ends

[#HBC | Gorf]

**** it this is BOOOOOOOORING

like, SUPER boring

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

i 100% agree with ghebs post. i think this entire page of content between kantrip joker and joey make it very very VERY obvious that 1) joker is town and 2) joey and kantrip are scum. the calculated approach to the wagon by joey is real and joeys responses to joker really just feel like him dancing around the big picture and making big posts to cover up the fact that his approach to the (ATROCIOUS) maven wagon was really ****ing safe. kantrips piggy backing of joey is ****ing awful too. like stop that. thats nasty.

laundry just came in and up n disappeared, i want my laundry to go through the cycle again. ill read back to see why yall dont like em later doe

 

[Dooms]

i 100% agree with ghebs post. i think this entire page of content between kantrip joker and joey make it very very VERY obvious that 1) joker is town and 2) joey and kantrip are scum. the calculated approach to the wagon by joey is real and joeys responses to joker really just feel like him dancing around the big picture and making big posts to cover up the fact that his approach to the (ATROCIOUS) maven wagon was really ****ing safe. kantrips piggy backing of joey is ****ing awful too. like stop that. thats nasty.

laundry just came in and up n disappeared, i want my laundry to go through the cycle again. ill read back to see why yall dont like em later doe

Are you serious?

You think that I actually thought "I don't want to join this wagon at L-2 so that I can avoid blame for lynching him" then debate with him for nearly a page about why I want him lynched and why I feel that other people want him lynched? Or that I just wanted to take credit for pressuring him without doing anything while debating all of my thoughts on him? It's really clear that if Maven were to get lynched, people would look back on me as one of the slots that pushed for his lynch regardless of what he flips. It's really straight forward.

What do you mean by safe, anyways? The fact that I don't want to lynch people without claiming in case they happen to be our only PR? Yeah, that can be town or scum depending on how you're viewing me as a whole, but the reality is that why shouldn't I have that mentality? DGames has a rep for #HBC and ending lynches way before we're done discussing slots, so why would I go out of my way to put someone at L-1 when there are people like you that could hammer? It's asking for an early lynch, and I don't want that. I've stated this enough to where it should be obvious that this is a perspective debate (the fact that there are people defending both sides makes this obvious), and those aren't winnable on either side. I'm not avoiding anything, I'm just not giving you the answer you want, and I won't.

Also, how do you think that Kantrip and I are scum together? Just because we both realize that there is no logic in what Joker is saying (and if there is, then it doesn't apply to what I'm doing)? You honestly believe that Kantrip doesn't actually believe what he's saying? What about Maven, that has shown the same thoughts in less detail?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Gorf.

tl;dr why Joey is scum for me.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

hes one of the gays

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

his play is very jumpy, visually manipulative (referring to his approach to my posting restriction), joker was right that his approach to the maven wagon was very calculated and pretty mechanical, let alone opportunistic, and his dispute with joker was chock full of strawmanning joker. his plays straight up grimy.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

oh also joey i neeeeever made the claim that you guys are scum together. in fact it probz makes more sense if kantrip and you are of different alignments. but thats neither here nor there, cuz both your approaches to joker ****ing wreak.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Describe what you agree with Joker on in regards to his approach to Maven's wagon.

 

[Dooms]

his play is very jumpy, visually manipulative (referring to his approach to my posting restriction), joker was right that his approach to the maven wagon was very calculated and pretty mechanical, let alone opportunistic, and his dispute with joker was chock full of strawmanning joker. his plays straight up grimy.

What is scummy about jumpy (especially considering where/when I jumped)?

How am I manipulating anything regarding your posting restriction? I said I thought you were lying because of the fact that it wouldn't make sense in the set up. Did I say anything else?

How is my maven vote (or refusing to vote when anyone is at L-2 prior to claiming) calculated or mechanical? It's straight forward "I'm against the #HBC mentality and I don't want to have a quick lynch".

What have I strawmanned in Joker's argument? He's stated what he's thought very clearly, and I've asked him multiple times if what he is stating is correct or not.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

That doesn't make any sense. You think he's scum, but you also think he might be a town PR? You want him to claim, but you don't want to tell him to?

Are you gonna make any effort to obtain information? Or are you just gonna keep jumping on whatever wagon looks like it might develop past L-2, but not actually vote past L-2 yourself?

He's either VT, or scum?

So you're just gonna keep sitting on your vote, and not scumhunt? I mean, if you were actually at all interested in seeing him claim, you'd ask him to claim.

The point is, your jump on his wagon was calculated. You made sure to only vote him at a specific point.

all of this i directly agree with. the rest of the interaction i completely empathize and understand where he's coming from.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Still requesting prods where applicable

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

But, that's not the reason Joey is scummy.......

Not wanting to put someone at L-1 is perfectly fine and wanting a player to claim before being lynched is also fine. These are what you want to lynch him for?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

That was @ #HBC | Gorf

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

no. i posted why i wanted to lynch him in my first actual post. your question was asking what specifically i agreed with joker on and i answered. why do i get the feeling youre trying to corner me?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Because it looks like I'm trying to corner you. In a sense, I am.

I don't think you're scum. First I wanted your reasoning for pushing Joey documented. I just wanted it on paper. Then your explanation contained a nebulous statement ("I agree with Joker that his approach is mechanical").

As of now you are absolutely fine with me and we don't disagree on the direction of this day phase.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

why do you think laundry deserves to die toDay?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

i.e is it more than just the fact that he needs to come in here n play or get ****ed outta hear or does it go deeper than that?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

He jumped on a ****ty case on Maven.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I don't know if he is the one of the group previously mentioned by Gheb that I want out the door first, but if he doesn't show up, then I am perfectly okay with him dying.

He jumped on a ****ty Maven case.

Joey has a weirdass flip-flop between listening to me and listening to Gheb.

Kantrip has a grimy ass vote in the middle of my conversation with Maven while avoiding getting involved with the game.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

i totally agree @ laundry but objectively i think ruy's approach to the maven wagon was much more awful. but ultimately i think leaving laundry wiggle room past toDay is more dangerous and im sure if hes town hell come back here n put out.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I actually think Ruy looks better because I don't see him moving that actively as scum. But even if he is, he's more likely to give himself up.

My lynch order at the moment probably goes Laundry->Kantrip->Joey.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

im gonna try to actually play this game tonight. lord save me if pokemon consumes my evening again

 

[~ Gheb ~]

i.e is it more than just the fact that he needs to come in here n play or get ****ed outta hear or does it go deeper than that?

He jumped on a ****ty case on Maven.

i totally agree @ laundry but objectively i think ruy's approach to the maven wagon was much more awful.

The argument on Laundry is stronger, Gorf. I don't know what you expect from Ryu but I'm not surprised he joins a dumb wagon for poor reasons. I actually would have been more concerned with Ryu had he not joined the wagon at one point of its existence.

Laundry immediately jumping the case is more problematic. Not just because one should expect him to know better than to jump a ****ty case by Ryker on the least experienced player slot in the game but also because his support for the push is the really grimy, backhanded "not actively pushing the slot itself but throwing out likes on every argument against him" kind of support. Lynch that man.

 

[Jim Morrison]

The argument on Laundry is stronger, Gorf. I don't know what you expect from Ryu but I'm not surprised he joins a dumb wagon for poor reasons. I actually would have been more concerned with Ryu had he not joined the wagon at one point of its existence.

Laundry immediately jumping the case is more problematic. Not just because one should expect him to know better than to jump a ****ty case by Ryker on the least experienced player slot in the game but also because his support for the push is the really grimy, backhanded "not actively pushing the slot itself but throwing out likes on every argument against him" kind of support. Lynch that man.

I can't really compare Ryu and Laundry, so your argument of him joining a grimy wagon being concerning over Ryu doesn't hit home for me, but I do agree with him having a grimy join. It was over one sentence, he made a few comments about it, then went off to neverland, to never be seen again. On its own, it's not that bad, he's the 2nd vote and basically Xonar pulled the same ****, but without reasoning, but him just disappearing after it happened 2 days ago makes him stand out more than Xonar to me.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

The argument on Laundry is stronger, Gorf. I don't know what you expect from Ryu but I'm not surprised he joins a dumb wagon for poor reasons. I actually would have been more concerned with Ryu had he not joined the wagon at one point of its existence.

Laundry immediately jumping the case is more problematic. Not just because one should expect him to know better than to jump a ****ty case by Ryker on the least experienced player slot in the game but also because his support for the push is the really grimy, backhanded "not actively pushing the slot itself but throwing out likes on every argument against him" kind of support. Lynch that man.

i guess i cant really disagree with the first paragraph regarding ruy being more suspicious NOT joining the wagon, but what concerns me is the circumstances regarding his joining: it was so late and iirc he had literally zero input aside from yelling for his death. **** was weird. ill be rereading and reanalyzing to get an opinion on the second paragraph when i have a chance but i feel like toDay is pretty solid.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

I can't really compare Ryu and Laundry, so your argument of him joining a grimy wagon being concerning over Ryu doesn't hit home for me, but I do agree with him having a grimy join. It was over one sentence, he made a few comments about it, then went off to neverland, to never be seen again. On its own, it's not that bad, he's the 2nd vote and basically Xonar pulled the same ****, but without reasoning, but him just disappearing after it happened 2 days ago makes him stand out more than Xonar to me.

who are we lynching toDay?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Joey or Laundry if he doesn't show up anymore.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

but what concerns me is the circumstances regarding his joining: it was so late and iirc he had literally zero input aside from yelling for his death. **** was weird.

OH YEAH! I remember that and that was really ****ing weird.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Because he's lying. It's an open set-up. Unless there is a post where it says that there is hidden information in the set-up, he's lying. For the record, my role is exactly as advertised.

Conclusion on Gheb's slot in a couple minutes pending looking at why this theory craft came up. I need to find why he said no wagons in JR rather than just responding to Joey's post.

what a good post doeeeeeeee
this might actually be a good read if ryker keeps speaking up
end of page 4
vote joey

this ones gonna take a while boiz

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

wait so werewolves have a nightkill but goons dont? i dont remember the last time i played jungle republic lmao lemme google this ****

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Are you trying to avoid responsibility for the pressure you bring to bear?

heh bear jokes and maven eor maven

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

end of page 5
vote maven

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Leave me something, Gus!

why must we destroy the dutch language like this

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

page 6 completed
vote maven still

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

End of page 7
vote joey
but the best lynch so far definitely seems to be
vote red ruy
I dont mind joker much tbh

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

this is wrong because i didn't count in ryker/s zozo's unvotes, i'm at l-4 and not so bad, but i'm assuming at least one is going to revote when they see i'm not dead

call me xonar or ramses <3

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

end of page 8, were almost t h e r e b o y z
vote red ruy still. joker is on my good side.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Nah, what I'm saying makes sense. It's not backwards, or hard to believe, it's clearly just over your head.

ugh you ****ing ****** start working WITH these people because you DID misread something even though a lot of your reasoning/points i can see

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

hes one of the gays

i didnt notice and well... i mean if you suck as much diks as you, u must develop a great gaydar

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Kantrip has a grimy *** vote in the middle of my conversation with Maven while avoiding getting involved with the game.

that sideline WAS very bad