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Swag Halloween Mafia --- swag NEVER ends
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#HBC | Red Ryu
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Thought it was today at midnight, was unsure.
Maven89
Smash Master
The deadline already passed, you got lynched
Maven89
Smash Master
oh, that's what happens when you try to make a joke without reloading to see if someone responded
#HBC | Gorf
toastin walrus since 4/20 maaaan
but like you made me laughpeople told me i was too abrasive and condescending
@tards if you actually think there was nothing fishy about joey and kantrip's interaction with joker on that one page you're nuts. but i digress. i plan on rereading before Day shifts to Night, and honestly the idea of a solely joker endorsed wagon does sound lame.
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Wall incoming. TL;DR is below.
The guy attempts to put me in a mafia 101 scenario, saying that he expects me to say something along the lines"But I only voted him to pressure him!" if Maven were to be lynched when I literally shut down every possible avenue of that happening BEFORE I voted him by making my thought process on why I see him as scum obvious. Yet he was totally oblivious to that and still tried to say that it was somehow possible for me to do that and get away with it. Not only that, but he used that possibility as an excuse to try to get me lynched before the unrealistic scenario could even pop up.
He said my hop onto the wagon was calculated, but in order to actually be calculated, I'd have to have a legitimate scummy end goal in order to, you know, benefit my team. What does scum Joey gain from joining a wagon at L-2 that town Joey doesn't? Unlike what Joker tried to claim, I'll still be blamed for the lynch if it were to happen. It prevents me from quick lynching him, which is good for both town and scum Joey. The end goal he had in mind was, once again, what I stated in the prior paragraph, which was, like I also stated, shut down. More things he tried to push with a scenario that couldn't have worked out.
Literally the only point he had that was anywhere near legit against me was that I didn't ask for a claim. When I brought up why I didn't, he completely ignored it and kept on spewing the same ****. I brought it up a second time. Ignored it again.
Also, you. Saying that I avoided the issue? That my vote was mechanical and calculated I'm guessing? You're acting as if I never made it clear that it wasn't calculated just because I didn't say "My vote wasn't calculated because x", which is bull****.
The fact that both of you somehow completely skipped over one of the most common scenarios in mafia (aka premature lynch) in your heads when deciding that my vote was calculated and couldn't connect the very obvious dots that I legitimately thought Maven was scummy is disgusting.
This alone doesn't make either of you scummy.
What makes this scummy is what both of you do after you state this.
For Joker... Instead of responding to the fact that it was obvious that Maven was VT or Scum after reading his posts thoroughly, he sits on the fact that I didn't ask for a claim without acknowledging it at all. He pushes for my lynch pretty damn hard and hasn't done a thing regarding any other player in the game after he jumped off the Maven wagon (something he accused me of doing and tried to use as part of his push on me). All of the while he doesn't have a vote anywhere. Not even on me. He's sitting there saying that there is a legitimate scum method he legitimately believes that I'm trying to pull through and that my voting was calculated, No vote. He was asked by Gheb who he wanted dead, and he chooses then to vote. A day and a half after our debate happened. All he does outside of that is say that he has someone legitimately scummy to lynch and that he won't settle for Laundry or Ryu when there is me.
You on the other hand are a different story. You're avoiding confrontation like a *****. I made two posts to you, both of which had multiple points and questions. The first one...
Okay no. This is not acceptable from a townie perspective considering how you've played so far.
The guy attempts to put me in a mafia 101 scenario, saying that he expects me to say something along the lines"But I only voted him to pressure him!" if Maven were to be lynched when I literally shut down every possible avenue of that happening BEFORE I voted him by making my thought process on why I see him as scum obvious. Yet he was totally oblivious to that and still tried to say that it was somehow possible for me to do that and get away with it. Not only that, but he used that possibility as an excuse to try to get me lynched before the unrealistic scenario could even pop up.
He said my hop onto the wagon was calculated, but in order to actually be calculated, I'd have to have a legitimate scummy end goal in order to, you know, benefit my team. What does scum Joey gain from joining a wagon at L-2 that town Joey doesn't? Unlike what Joker tried to claim, I'll still be blamed for the lynch if it were to happen. It prevents me from quick lynching him, which is good for both town and scum Joey. The end goal he had in mind was, once again, what I stated in the prior paragraph, which was, like I also stated, shut down. More things he tried to push with a scenario that couldn't have worked out.
Literally the only point he had that was anywhere near legit against me was that I didn't ask for a claim. When I brought up why I didn't, he completely ignored it and kept on spewing the same ****. I brought it up a second time. Ignored it again.
Also, you. Saying that I avoided the issue? That my vote was mechanical and calculated I'm guessing? You're acting as if I never made it clear that it wasn't calculated just because I didn't say "My vote wasn't calculated because x", which is bull****.
The fact that both of you somehow completely skipped over one of the most common scenarios in mafia (aka premature lynch) in your heads when deciding that my vote was calculated and couldn't connect the very obvious dots that I legitimately thought Maven was scummy is disgusting.
This alone doesn't make either of you scummy.
What makes this scummy is what both of you do after you state this.
For Joker... Instead of responding to the fact that it was obvious that Maven was VT or Scum after reading his posts thoroughly, he sits on the fact that I didn't ask for a claim without acknowledging it at all. He pushes for my lynch pretty damn hard and hasn't done a thing regarding any other player in the game after he jumped off the Maven wagon (something he accused me of doing and tried to use as part of his push on me). All of the while he doesn't have a vote anywhere. Not even on me. He's sitting there saying that there is a legitimate scum method he legitimately believes that I'm trying to pull through and that my voting was calculated, No vote. He was asked by Gheb who he wanted dead, and he chooses then to vote. A day and a half after our debate happened. All he does outside of that is say that he has someone legitimately scummy to lynch and that he won't settle for Laundry or Ryu when there is me.
You on the other hand are a different story. You're avoiding confrontation like a *****. I made two posts to you, both of which had multiple points and questions. The first one...
Your response?
Second post...
Your response?
OH WAIT YOU DIDN'T[/quote[
You completely avoided me after I made that post. I haven't seen my name in a single one of your posts since you finished your conversation with Ryker until now.
I let this go until now because I just assumed you were just being condescending by ignoring my questions.
Let's play connect the dots.
Ryker. You go out of his way to please him. He asks you why you're on me, and you state your reasons. He asks you what you agreed with Joker on, you pull quotes. He says "those things don't make him scummy", and instead of responding with why you agree with those things (what you would do if you weren't trying to suck his ****), you instead decide to say "No I stated why I wanted to lynch him above. Those are just things I agreed with. Why do I get the feeling that you're trying to corner me?" After he says you're on good terms with him, you move on.
Laundry. Everything you've said regarding Laundry is legitimate fence-sitting. You ask Ryker why he wants him lynched, he says why, you say "Yeah I totally agree, but Ryu did that so much worse". Instead of stating your actual opinion of him, you instead try to swing the lynch onto Ryu. Also, as Laundry stated, you said you thought other players in the game were worse than him, but your vote is still on him!
Ryu. Not only are you fence-sitting on Laundry, you're also doing it on Ryu regarding his recent posts. You say this: "i feel like this post has almost no substance, aside from the kantrip scummy thing that's been posted a gazillion times. plus the maven paragraph confused the **** outta me. but i'm willing to give em the benefit of the doubt n call em lazy UNLESS i see nothing before i leave for work tomorrow. here's to hoping ruy's gonna put out after hyrule warriors/smash 4!" and this: "also ehh. i can feel this but personally i don't think this is indicative of alignment." You've made it loud and clear that you're not sold on Ryu scum regardless of what you said previously regarding the slot. You're creating little holes for yourself to back out of reads left and right.
Now let's look at this post. "@tards if you actually think there was nothing fishy about joey and kantrip's interaction with joker on that one page you're nuts. but i digress. i plan on rereading before Day shifts to Night, and honestly the idea of a solely joker endorsed wagon does sound lame."
This sealed the deal for me and made me think that something was wrong with your slot. Not only did you just do this with Ryu, but now you're doing this with both myself and Kantrip. You back down from when you agreed with Joker and you say "if you don't see how they're bad, you're crazy, but regardless of that I plan on rereading before the day ends." You're creating an escape for yourself right now with both of your reads on myself and on Kantrip! Ryker and Laundry both called you the **** out, and you're there again right on their laps. It's past the point of coincidence at this point.
TL;DR BELOW FOR SKIMMERS VVVVVVV
You (Gorf) are avoiding actually committing to any specific wagon. You're riding the player's ***** that have more thread control than you in order to get on their good side (and it worked on Ryker until he actually reread), you're avoiding confrontation like a *****, you're throwing out safe accusations that have already been stated loud and clear, the things you've said about Laundry are disgusting, and you've created multiple little holes for you to back out of your reads in order to further avoid both commitment and confrontation (examples being myself, Kantrip, and Ryu). If you were just sheeping, it'd be one thing, but you're not. You're throwing accusations onto all of the popular lynch choices, yet you're staying close to neutral or creating escapes in all of your reads so that you're not actually committing to anything.
Vote: Gorf
@#HBC | Ryker
Why is this guy not on your lynch list? Prove me wrong and show me why I should be on Ryu over this guy.
FWIW read list ordered within categories as well.
Gorf scum
Joker scum
Ryu null-scum
Gheb null-scum
Maven null
JM null
Xonar null
Ryker town
Kantrip town
Laundry town
Dooms
KY/KP Joey
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EBWOP (I AM SO SORRY FOR THIS)
Wall incoming. TL;DR is below.
The guy attempts to put me in a mafia 101 scenario, saying that he expects me to say something along the lines"But I only voted him to pressure him!" if Maven were to be lynched when I literally shut down every possible avenue of that happening BEFORE I voted him by making my thought process on why I see him as scum obvious. Yet he was totally oblivious to that and still tried to say that it was somehow possible for me to do that and get away with it. Not only that, but he used that possibility as an excuse to try to get me lynched before the unrealistic scenario could even pop up.
He said my hop onto the wagon was calculated, but in order to actually be calculated, I'd have to have a legitimate scummy end goal in order to, you know, benefit my team. What does scum Joey gain from joining a wagon at L-2 that town Joey doesn't? Unlike what Joker tried to claim, I'll still be blamed for the lynch if it were to happen. It prevents me from quick lynching him, which is good for both town and scum Joey. The end goal he had in mind was, once again, what I stated in the prior paragraph, which was, like I also stated, shut down. More things he tried to push with a scenario that couldn't have worked out.
Literally the only point he had that was anywhere near legit against me was that I didn't ask for a claim. When I brought up why I didn't, he completely ignored it and kept on spewing the same ****. I brought it up a second time. Ignored it again.
Also, you. Saying that I avoided the issue? That my vote was mechanical and calculated I'm guessing? You're acting as if I never made it clear that it wasn't calculated just because I didn't say "My vote wasn't calculated because x", which is bull****.
The fact that both of you somehow completely skipped over one of the most common scenarios in mafia (aka premature lynch) in your heads when deciding that my vote was calculated and couldn't connect the very obvious dots that I legitimately thought Maven was scummy is disgusting.
This alone doesn't make either of you scummy.
What makes this scummy is what both of you do after you state this.
For Joker... Instead of responding to the fact that it was obvious that Maven was VT or Scum after reading his posts thoroughly, he sits on the fact that I didn't ask for a claim without acknowledging it at all. He pushes for my lynch pretty damn hard and hasn't done a thing regarding any other player in the game after he jumped off the Maven wagon (something he accused me of doing and tried to use as part of his push on me). All of the while he doesn't have a vote anywhere. Not even on me. He's sitting there saying that there is a legitimate scum method he legitimately believes that I'm trying to pull through and that my voting was calculated, No vote. He was asked by Gheb who he wanted dead, and he chooses then to vote. A day and a half after our debate happened. All he does outside of that is say that he has someone legitimately scummy to lynch and that he won't settle for Laundry or Ryu when there is me.
You on the other hand are a different story. You're avoiding confrontation like a *****. I made two posts to you, both of which had multiple points and questions. The first one...
I let this go until now because I just assumed you were just being condescending by ignoring my questions.
Let's play connect the dots.
Ryker. You go out of his way to please him. He asks you why you're on me, and you state your reasons. He asks you what you agreed with Joker on, you pull quotes. He says "those things don't make him scummy", and instead of responding with why you agree with those things (what you would do if you weren't trying to suck his ****), you instead decide to say "No I stated why I wanted to lynch him above. Those are just things I agreed with. Why do I get the feeling that you're trying to corner me?" After he says you're on good terms with him, you move on.
Laundry. Everything you've said regarding Laundry is legitimate fence-sitting. You ask Ryker why he wants him lynched, he says why, you say "Yeah I totally agree, but Ryu did that so much worse". Instead of stating your actual opinion of him, you instead try to swing the lynch onto Ryu. Also, as Laundry stated, you said you thought other players in the game were worse than him, but your vote is still on him!
Ryu. Not only are you fence-sitting on Laundry, you're also doing it on Ryu regarding his recent posts. You say this: "i feel like this post has almost no substance, aside from the kantrip scummy thing that's been posted a gazillion times. plus the maven paragraph confused the **** outta me. but i'm willing to give em the benefit of the doubt n call em lazy UNLESS i see nothing before i leave for work tomorrow. here's to hoping ruy's gonna put out after hyrule warriors/smash 4!" and this: "also ehh. i can feel this but personally i don't think this is indicative of alignment." You've made it loud and clear that you're not sold on Ryu scum regardless of what you said previously regarding the slot. You're creating little holes for yourself to back out of reads left and right.
Now let's look at this post. "@tards if you actually think there was nothing fishy about joey and kantrip's interaction with joker on that one page you're nuts. but i digress. i plan on rereading before Day shifts to Night, and honestly the idea of a solely joker endorsed wagon does sound lame."
This sealed the deal for me and made me think that something was wrong with your slot. Not only did you just do this with Ryu, but now you're doing this with both myself and Kantrip. You back down from when you agreed with Joker and you say "if you don't see how they're bad, you're crazy, but regardless of that I plan on rereading before the day ends." You're creating an escape for yourself right now with both of your reads on myself and on Kantrip! Ryker and Laundry both called you the **** out, and you're there again right on their laps. It's past the point of coincidence at this point.
TL;DR BELOW FOR SKIMMERS VVVVVVV
You (Gorf) are avoiding actually committing to any specific wagon. You're riding the player's ****s that have more thread control than you in order to get on their good side (and it worked on Ryker until he actually reread), you're avoiding confrontation like a *****, you're throwing out safe accusations that have already been stated loud and clear, the things you've said about Laundry are disgusting, and you've created multiple little holes for you to back out of your reads in order to further avoid both commitment and confrontation (examples being myself, Kantrip, and Ryu). If you were just sheeping, it'd be one thing, but you're not. You're throwing accusations onto all of the popular lynch choices, yet you're staying close to neutral or creating escapes in all of your reads so that you're not actually committing to anything.
Vote: Gorf
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#HBC | Ryker
Why is this guy not on your lynch list? Prove me wrong and show me why I should be on Ryu over this guy.
FWIW read list ordered within categories as well.
Gorf scum
Joker scum
Ryu null-scum
Gheb null-scum
Maven null
JM null
Xonar null
Ryker town
Kantrip town
Laundry town
Okay no. This is not acceptable from a townie perspective considering how you've played so far.
The guy attempts to put me in a mafia 101 scenario, saying that he expects me to say something along the lines"But I only voted him to pressure him!" if Maven were to be lynched when I literally shut down every possible avenue of that happening BEFORE I voted him by making my thought process on why I see him as scum obvious. Yet he was totally oblivious to that and still tried to say that it was somehow possible for me to do that and get away with it. Not only that, but he used that possibility as an excuse to try to get me lynched before the unrealistic scenario could even pop up.
He said my hop onto the wagon was calculated, but in order to actually be calculated, I'd have to have a legitimate scummy end goal in order to, you know, benefit my team. What does scum Joey gain from joining a wagon at L-2 that town Joey doesn't? Unlike what Joker tried to claim, I'll still be blamed for the lynch if it were to happen. It prevents me from quick lynching him, which is good for both town and scum Joey. The end goal he had in mind was, once again, what I stated in the prior paragraph, which was, like I also stated, shut down. More things he tried to push with a scenario that couldn't have worked out.
Literally the only point he had that was anywhere near legit against me was that I didn't ask for a claim. When I brought up why I didn't, he completely ignored it and kept on spewing the same ****. I brought it up a second time. Ignored it again.
Also, you. Saying that I avoided the issue? That my vote was mechanical and calculated I'm guessing? You're acting as if I never made it clear that it wasn't calculated just because I didn't say "My vote wasn't calculated because x", which is bull****.
The fact that both of you somehow completely skipped over one of the most common scenarios in mafia (aka premature lynch) in your heads when deciding that my vote was calculated and couldn't connect the very obvious dots that I legitimately thought Maven was scummy is disgusting.
This alone doesn't make either of you scummy.
What makes this scummy is what both of you do after you state this.
For Joker... Instead of responding to the fact that it was obvious that Maven was VT or Scum after reading his posts thoroughly, he sits on the fact that I didn't ask for a claim without acknowledging it at all. He pushes for my lynch pretty damn hard and hasn't done a thing regarding any other player in the game after he jumped off the Maven wagon (something he accused me of doing and tried to use as part of his push on me). All of the while he doesn't have a vote anywhere. Not even on me. He's sitting there saying that there is a legitimate scum method he legitimately believes that I'm trying to pull through and that my voting was calculated, No vote. He was asked by Gheb who he wanted dead, and he chooses then to vote. A day and a half after our debate happened. All he does outside of that is say that he has someone legitimately scummy to lynch and that he won't settle for Laundry or Ryu when there is me.
You on the other hand are a different story. You're avoiding confrontation like a *****. I made two posts to you, both of which had multiple points and questions. The first one...
Your response?
Second post...
Your response?
You completely avoided me after I made that post. I haven't seen my name in a single one of your posts since you finished your conversation with Ryker until now.
I let this go until now because I just assumed you were just being condescending by ignoring my questions.
Let's play connect the dots.
Ryker. You go out of his way to please him. He asks you why you're on me, and you state your reasons. He asks you what you agreed with Joker on, you pull quotes. He says "those things don't make him scummy", and instead of responding with why you agree with those things (what you would do if you weren't trying to suck his ****), you instead decide to say "No I stated why I wanted to lynch him above. Those are just things I agreed with. Why do I get the feeling that you're trying to corner me?" After he says you're on good terms with him, you move on.
Laundry. Everything you've said regarding Laundry is legitimate fence-sitting. You ask Ryker why he wants him lynched, he says why, you say "Yeah I totally agree, but Ryu did that so much worse". Instead of stating your actual opinion of him, you instead try to swing the lynch onto Ryu. Also, as Laundry stated, you said you thought other players in the game were worse than him, but your vote is still on him!
Ryu. Not only are you fence-sitting on Laundry, you're also doing it on Ryu regarding his recent posts. You say this: "i feel like this post has almost no substance, aside from the kantrip scummy thing that's been posted a gazillion times. plus the maven paragraph confused the **** outta me. but i'm willing to give em the benefit of the doubt n call em lazy UNLESS i see nothing before i leave for work tomorrow. here's to hoping ruy's gonna put out after hyrule warriors/smash 4!" and this: "also ehh. i can feel this but personally i don't think this is indicative of alignment." You've made it loud and clear that you're not sold on Ryu scum regardless of what you said previously regarding the slot. You're creating little holes for yourself to back out of reads left and right.
Now let's look at this post. "@tards if you actually think there was nothing fishy about joey and kantrip's interaction with joker on that one page you're nuts. but i digress. i plan on rereading before Day shifts to Night, and honestly the idea of a solely joker endorsed wagon does sound lame."
This sealed the deal for me and made me think that something was wrong with your slot. Not only did you just do this with Ryu, but now you're doing this with both myself and Kantrip. You back down from when you agreed with Joker and you say "if you don't see how they're bad, you're crazy, but regardless of that I plan on rereading before the day ends." You're creating an escape for yourself right now with both of your reads on myself and on Kantrip! Ryker and Laundry both called you the **** out, and you're there again right on their laps. It's past the point of coincidence at this point.
TL;DR BELOW FOR SKIMMERS VVVVVVV
You (Gorf) are avoiding actually committing to any specific wagon. You're riding the player's ****s that have more thread control than you in order to get on their good side (and it worked on Ryker until he actually reread), you're avoiding confrontation like a *****, you're throwing out safe accusations that have already been stated loud and clear, the things you've said about Laundry are disgusting, and you've created multiple little holes for you to back out of your reads in order to further avoid both commitment and confrontation (examples being myself, Kantrip, and Ryu). If you were just sheeping, it'd be one thing, but you're not. You're throwing accusations onto all of the popular lynch choices, yet you're staying close to neutral or creating escapes in all of your reads so that you're not actually committing to anything.
Vote: Gorf
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#HBC | Ryker
Why is this guy not on your lynch list? Prove me wrong and show me why I should be on Ryu over this guy.
FWIW read list ordered within categories as well.
Gorf scum
Joker scum
Ryu null-scum
Gheb null-scum
Maven null
JM null
Xonar null
Ryker town
Kantrip town
Laundry town
Dooms
KY/KP Joey
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EBWOP EBWOP:
Vote: Gorf
In case it didn't go through due to quote/spoiler shenanigans.
Vote: Gorf
In case it didn't go through due to quote/spoiler shenanigans.
#HBC | Joker
Space Marine
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I'm currently voting for Joey
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
by laundry in his notes
Between that and 157 shows a lot about the slot at an early point, which is nice.
If you want information then talk with me, we can figure things out.
Notes from both also makes me want to re-read Joey. Can't before this evening, and I am not reading that humongous post above there.
Still don't see redeeming qualities for Ruy.
- ryker
why?
Can see the Gorf direction.
Do not hate going Maven at this point either.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Aight spent like 30 mins more on this than I wanted to. I'll be back after I'm done with my deadline.
#HBC | ZoZo
Shocodoro Blagshidect
Also need to look at Kantrip a second time. Sheeeeeeet
Please don't ever complain about me not reading your posts when you evidently haven't read mine.
1.) I have never actively suggested a Ryu lynch. Later on, as people kept mentioning him, I came to agree that he can die and that I wouldn't oppose his lynch but it were Laundry, Kantrip and Joey that I had mentioned as my preferred lynch candidates. I still want to see Kantrip lynched the most and am not sure why people have started to let him off the hook. And yes, Ryu can still die and you still suck for letting his play slide like that.
2.) Kantrip hasn't done anything, that much is true. It's also true that it affects my read on him in a negative way. But it's definitely not all I have on him, in fact it's not even the main reason [by the time I first mentioned Kantrip as a scumread it hadn't even been clear that he would be so inactive]. What I originally suspected him for - and still do - is the way and the timing he chose to vote Ryker when he was pushing for Maven. I mean, I didn't agree with Ryker's push either but I definitely wouldn't play the glorious whiteknight hero and instantly turn the whole push against Ryker for no reason. The vote served NO purpose other than to make Kantrip look like the good guy, the whole thing was ONLY for his own benefit. The fact that he disappeared after that wouldn't even bother me all that much if it weren't for the fact that his so-called "catch-up post" is really damn generic and superficial.
3.) Laundry jumped on an "RVS wagon"? Sure, the Mavon wagon was one huge pile of bull**** because Ryker's logic on it was w/e and because most of his wagoners were acting pretty shady - that's just how wagons work in JR - but it was not RVS. And most of al,l Laundry jumping on it wasn't and isn't the reason I want the slot dead. I've already explained that it's the way he supported the push that's really grimy. You should probably search up that post yourself though imo because you're in grave need of a reread if you can't see why Ryu and Kantrip are good plays toDay and I've grown tired of having to explain everthing you've gotten wrong to you.
Honestly, I'd agree that you're being pretty ignorant and everybody who chooses to ignore your arguments has my blessings for it because arguing with you is not a very pleasant thing to do and often ultimately fruitless.
But I can't say you're wrong about Joey's play genereally not looking good. The problem is that the way you're going about it - as always - is so self-centered that nothing will come out of it unless somebody gives you a juicy smack in the face to get you actually do something with your reads. My prediction is that you will continue to argue solidly about the things happening within your [very limited] horizon and that you will once more not get much done because you fail to realize [or accept] that this game is not about you and that frankly nobody cares about you. If you want to get your lynches done do something about it but don't complain or play the "I told you so!"-card when things don't go your way. It's your fault and nobody else's if Joey doesn't get lynched.
Honestly, this all looks like decent content and I actually think that a lot of it could be right ... but it's so generic and easy to fake that I find it hard to hold it in Ryu's favor at all.
It is horse****.
But I also never made that statement so I don't know why you bring it up when asked about me.
Who do you want lynched other than Ryu? Joker?
I'm voting Potassium, not Laundry.
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Requesting ACCURATE votecount
#HBC | Red Ryu
Red Fox Warrior
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I'll be at work, they woke me up early to call me in. I'll have reads and some looking at on my breaks.
Conclusions:
* I agree with Ryker that Joey is looking better than initially thought. Hard to look good when you're being tangled up in unconstructive arguments with Joker.
* Strongly agreeing with Joey's arguments on Gorf. Gorf can die.
* Strongly disagreeing with Ryker that Kantrip is looking fine now. Slot still needs to die asap.
* Disagreeing with Kantrip that Ryu is a fallback lynch. Chaco and JM are the best fallback lynches at this point imo.
* Agreeing with Ryu that Joker vs Joey has a high chance of being TvT.
* Scumread on Laundry has kinda gone lost along the way.
* Undecided on Ryker being suspicious of Xonar. Willing to give Ryker pro-town props for actually considering that avenue but not sure if I can actually agree with him.
Scum:
Potassium / Gorf
Ryu
Fallback lynches:
Chaco / JM
* I agree with Ryker that Joey is looking better than initially thought. Hard to look good when you're being tangled up in unconstructive arguments with Joker.
* Strongly agreeing with Joey's arguments on Gorf. Gorf can die.
* Strongly disagreeing with Ryker that Kantrip is looking fine now. Slot still needs to die asap.
* Disagreeing with Kantrip that Ryu is a fallback lynch. Chaco and JM are the best fallback lynches at this point imo.
* Agreeing with Ryu that Joker vs Joey has a high chance of being TvT.
* Scumread on Laundry has kinda gone lost along the way.
* Undecided on Ryker being suspicious of Xonar. Willing to give Ryker pro-town props for actually considering that avenue but not sure if I can actually agree with him.
Scum:
Potassium / Gorf
Ryu
Fallback lynches:
Chaco / JM
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I'm confused.Conclusions:
* Disagreeing with Kantrip that Ryu is a fallback lynch. Chaco and JM are the best fallback lynches at this point imo.
I'm guessing you still want Ryu potentially lynched over Chaco and JM considering he's on your scum list, but not as a fallback? If not, can you explain this?
Also, regarding Kantrip, what specifically did you think of his catch-up post if you don't mind?
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also fwiw
@#HBC | Laundry Gheb's recent stream of posts made me change my read on him 100% in a good way. Join me on Gorf?
@#HBC | Laundry Gheb's recent stream of posts made me change my read on him 100% in a good way. Join me on Gorf?
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welp i didnt make the deadline because i got anally destroyed by the software 15 mins before deadline
all hail
reading
all hail
reading
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Oh god what does this mean for you? Message me on skype?
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Joey what did YOU think of my catchup?
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It means I have to spend another 1-2hours on it 1 month from now and then I'll pass. We gucci but thanks for the concern <3
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2 months*
anyway.
I'm going to do some rereading. I'm around so throw questions at me if you have 'em.
anyway.
I'm going to do some rereading. I'm around so throw questions at me if you have 'em.
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On phone but like page 6-7 I think where I said it was his terrible reaction to Ryker's comment on him.
He did improve and while his reason for me being scum is wrong I can see where he is coming from.
I don't claim my play is stellar either, just not been here recently.
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I liked it initially. I saw where you were coming from regardless of the fact that I probably didn't agree with 3/4ths of what you posted. It was really genuine.
However I have a problem with falling for catch up posts because they all come across as genuine for me, so I can't say that it makes you town or scum without seeing the rest of your catch up + what you do with it. Town reading you because of how you handled Joker on the spot FWIW.
Alright. >__< That really blows.
I want your thoughts on the current popular scumspects post-catch up. Ryu, Gorf, Kantrip, myself please!
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I don't know why Xonar wants me dead he needs to explain this. This is similar for some of his reads.
I'd rather let myself die than lynch Joey. I don't get the hate given how he has been posting and elaborating on where he has been going.
I get Joker hate but I don't think this scummy per say. With meta if I recall a lot of things he has reacted too make sense for him, aka stuff Ryker wants him dead for.
Ryker=/=Laundry.
I'd lynch Gorf only really to save my own skin.
Chaco>>>>Jim for inactive lynch.
Breaks over, more later.
I'd rather let myself die than lynch Joey. I don't get the hate given how he has been posting and elaborating on where he has been going.
I get Joker hate but I don't think this scummy per say. With meta if I recall a lot of things he has reacted too make sense for him, aka stuff Ryker wants him dead for.
Ryker=/=Laundry.
I'd lynch Gorf only really to save my own skin.
Chaco>>>>Jim for inactive lynch.
Breaks over, more later.
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I want more on all of this from you when you're off from work and can actually read the thread.
Your interpretation of my scumlist is correct.
I don't understand what you're seeing in Kantrip's catchup post. Either you or I have not read it correctly. If somebody legit "catches up" I would expect the player to take note of things that other people may have missed. I don't see any new findings in his catchup post nor any ideas that other people hadn't thought of before. It's a very strange coincidence when somebody claims to catch up on things independently not knowing how things ended up envolving later on but ends up with no new avenues to push, a handful of meaningless questions and a post that's essentially a summary of consensual reads. Like, which of Kantrip's points has been of any consequence yet? Nothing that made him change his play at all? That post is a fig leaf, not a catchup if you ask me.
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joey i ignored you for the same reason i will be ignoring 95% of that post: cuz i dont ****in feel like engaging you. like, maybe i should have said this earlier cuz its the truth but every single time i see a post of yours that extends past my phones screen i kinda cringe and either hardcore skim or swipe entirely down. its nothing personal and NOT worth getting into an altercation about. im not asking you to change, but im sure when i reread im going to feel the exact same way and id rather just sheep one of my town reads when reading you. so... consider yourself tentatively off my scum list.
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Okay.
Re-read completed.
Maven is a good lynch.
Kantrip is a decent lynch.
Ruy is still a good lynch and in terms of connections might actually be the most fruitful.
Joey is a mixed bag, would rather avoid for now.
Any of Laundry/Ryker I welcome to talk to me about Joker. Wouldn't mind the direction especially on re-read, because he fits what I expect out of scum in this set-up almost perfectly, but I have my doubts.
Gorf, gimme a compilation of all your relevant thoughts at this moment.
Vote: Ruy
Vote: Maven
Vote: Ruy
I wouldn't hate going Maven at all if we can get the traction for it. I can settle for Kantrip esp with his scumslip.
Re-read completed.
Maven is a good lynch.
Kantrip is a decent lynch.
Ruy is still a good lynch and in terms of connections might actually be the most fruitful.
Joey is a mixed bag, would rather avoid for now.
Any of Laundry/Ryker I welcome to talk to me about Joker. Wouldn't mind the direction especially on re-read, because he fits what I expect out of scum in this set-up almost perfectly, but I have my doubts.
Gorf, gimme a compilation of all your relevant thoughts at this moment.
Vote: Ruy
Vote: Maven
Vote: Ruy
I wouldn't hate going Maven at all if we can get the traction for it. I can settle for Kantrip esp with his scumslip.
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His 100% read flip on me and Joker, his thoughts on JM (pretty much no one has had him anywhere but null from what I recall), Ryker + Joey connection, liking Laundry's entrance, and his actual thoughts on Joker from that phase of the game were a new perspective. All of these things are either things people didn't bring up initially or things that could have been used against him/could be investigated on imo.Your interpretation of my scumlist is correct.
I don't understand what you're seeing in Kantrip's catchup post. Either you or I have not read it correctly. If somebody legit "catches up" I would expect the player to take note of things that other people may have missed. I don't see any new findings in his catchup post nor any ideas that other people hadn't thought of before. It's a very strange coincidence when somebody claims to catch up on things independently not knowing how things ended up envolving later on but ends up with no new avenues to push, a handful of meaningless questions and a post that's essentially a summary of consensual reads. Like, which of Kantrip's points has been of any consequence yet? Nothing that made him change his play at all? That post is a fig leaf, not a catchup if you ask me.
I don't think he had any new scumspects because of where he stopped reading and how the game worked out at that point. He pretty much either had to side with Joker/Myself, Ryker/Maven, or one of the people not involved. It was too early to get details from Gorf, Xonar wasn't too into the game yet either, and slots like Ryu and Laundry were still pretty uninvested in the game.
Although if you're saying that because his points lacked detail that explained any of these new things in the slightest, I agree 100%. I also agree with you if you think this because he didn't do anything with what I stated above aside from his new scum read on me.
All of my problems with his catch up (and your problems from what it seems) would be either fixed or justified if he finished his catch up and added the stereotypical catch-up read list at the end imo.
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you're finishing your notes today, right?
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Hi Chaco and Jim Morrison
Contribute any information you can at this point. For all I care you just read a few pages and post thoughts. Alternatively, pick one of the scumspects in the list in my post above and just focus on them and tell us what's up.
Contribute any information you can at this point. For all I care you just read a few pages and post thoughts. Alternatively, pick one of the scumspects in the list in my post above and just focus on them and tell us what's up.
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If this is the case, then why did you go out of your way to say that you agreed with Joker on me and made a list of things that made me scummy? What happened to that list?
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also this page is ****ing rainbow colored lmao
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relevant thoughts-
"god i need to reread before the Day ends, i hope i can live up to my promise!"
"ruy's done absolutely nothing redeemable and has been scummy as balls, why arent more people weary of him?"
"why dafuq did ryker point to me being scum on a ruy scum flip at one point for? wasnt i literally the first person to suspect and garner suspicion for him?"
"thank god laundrys more relevant, now i can take my vote off of him while i decide who to lynch!"
unvote
"i hope xonar likes me."
"why is kantrip scummy again? i mean i KNOW he was but i mean, specifically. oh yea, his ****in interaction with joker and joey at that one point. but i KNOW i thought he was scummy before... why was that...?"
"id rather have chaco replaced and at least jim is playing the game."
"god i need to reread before the Day ends, i hope i can live up to my promise!"
"ruy's done absolutely nothing redeemable and has been scummy as balls, why arent more people weary of him?"
"why dafuq did ryker point to me being scum on a ruy scum flip at one point for? wasnt i literally the first person to suspect and garner suspicion for him?"
"thank god laundrys more relevant, now i can take my vote off of him while i decide who to lynch!"
unvote
"i hope xonar likes me."
"why is kantrip scummy again? i mean i KNOW he was but i mean, specifically. oh yea, his ****in interaction with joker and joey at that one point. but i KNOW i thought he was scummy before... why was that...?"
"id rather have chaco replaced and at least jim is playing the game."
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this is true. it reminds me of my people. :'D