Swag Halloween Mafia --- swag NEVER ends

[#HBC | Ryker]

Lol, Kantrip liked my "I wanna know what's up with Kaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaantrip" post.

@ Maven89 Hi. Where is your vote again? I don't want to look up and there hasn't been a votecount in a bit (and it would be outdated if there were).

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Why would I care about claims when there is only 1 that matters, cop, and that will die right away when claimed. All scum will claim this to live, so why does a claim matter in a set-up like this?

Like you even said, it was early in the day phase. If i were to ask for one, why so early?

Yes I normally ask for a claim, not in this set-up because it doesn't mean ****.

Why does the faction that can't be found by the cop claim cop unless it's there last member? That PR helps them far more than the possibility that MAYBE the cop won't claim because it's Chaco and he's gone (I assume anyone here with a brain would CC).

I feel like I'm repeating myself.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Mostly I wanted your thoughts on why scum Ruy's reads were as he stated, but then you back off of certainty on scum Ruy. I assumed your read would stand. I wanted you talking about your suspect. I've found more important things to talk about.

Because it helped assuage some of my thoughts on him. I still don't know why he was so gungho to lynch Maven but he reached the correct results by the end of it and his reasons/results were very similar to mine even if the conclusions were different. It made me feel better about him. I don't like how he was adamantly pushing to lynch Maven like he did but I buy into the fact that he may give more later on and I still do see the townie intent in him trying to push questions at the start of the game. Normally Ruy would try to hide under the radar.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Why would I care about claims when there is only 1 that matters, cop, and that will die right away when claimed. All scum will claim this to live, so why does a claim matter in a set-up like this?

Like you even said, it was early in the day phase. If i were to ask for one, why so early?

Yes I normally ask for a claim, not in this set-up because it doesn't mean ****.

You almost never go for a lynch until it's close to deadline because you want more out of the day phase.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Alex, what do you think of Ramses asking you not to post stream of conscious and otherwise trying to limit what is presented toward the end of the day?

This got newpage'd.

 

[Kantrip]

up to page 8

Ruy getting mad at marshy for flavour fishing and the fallout where he realized he was wrong reads genuine


soup coming in to complain about nobody taking initiative is hypocritical and bugs me since he didnt show any initiative to do anything but complain about other people. Not scummy but seriously annoying


soup's suspicion of me begins with his #72. This is before I posted. His reasoning is that “among the lurkers I am the one that is most suspicious to him.” not sure if he targeted me specifically or picked me at random, but i dont like that his blinders were on me since before i posted and hes been tunneling me ever since. Will have to see how genuine that “read development” is


lol then when ruy votes him he tells ruy not to “reaction test” him and makes another post complaining about activity. Oh geez


i still hold to my nabe can live sentiments


maven townreading me for “taking things seriously” after i made what... 2 posts? Saying stuff that other people had already said? Yeah thats weird to me


oh yeah just remember ruy is confirmed town. Good i can stop trying to read him now


we thuggins immediate jump onto werekill for doubting ruys claim actually bugs me for some reason. Its purely gut and obviously marshy wasnt wrong in the slightest, but his methods give me a weird feeling


oh i actually like that soup unvotes, i thought he was on me all game but it turns out he took a moment


ehh underwhelmed by gorfs entrance


mavens reason for townreading me is 100% bull. I wasnt even scumhunting and he claims he liked me because it looked like i was scumhunting. If anything i should have been null


hmm seeing his later explanation it looks like hes just relying on meta too much and seeing me play similarly to how hes seen me play as town, assuming i must be town here too.


I was dumb for entertaining even the slightest possibility of ruy being votable, but in my defense when raz came in and started calling him a scumlord i was on the other side trying to get raz to reason why ruy claims when he does. I also never voted ruy BECAUSE, while i thought he was grimy, i knew that chaco could confirm his claim and if that happened he would be clear.


Gorf refusing to provide content is annoying and he deserves the noose for being cheeky about it alone. Not acceptable play when people are trying to get all the inactives to contribute


ew gorfs justficiation for lynching ruy because it would “clear chaco” is grimy as ****


raz's reaction to chaco's confirmation reads genuine. Instead of dropping it completely he tries to find a way to believe that ruy derped so hard. Goes to asking if ruy was drunk when it happened, it really truly looks like he believed it when he said there was no way ruy would pull that as town

SWAG HALLOWEEN MAFIA


rvs rvs rvs, laundry and zozo creepily hit on each other, i creepily hit on gheb, rvs rvs rvs


zozo attempts to get content flowing with a callout on joey for qualifiers. thats a swell thing to do


joker helps zozo pressure joey instead of focusing on people trying to get a rise out of him or telling zozo his reason for voting joey is bad. Green flag


joey jokes the accusation off. Null


gorf joins the pressure, ryker ignores it to pressure ruy. Both actions are null imo tbh


oh damn joey appealing his sentence from officer zozo but judge joker leans back in his armchair and lays down the law. Officer zozo shoots a like his way as he nods in approval. Looks like poor innocent joey is getting ****ed by the system. Lets see how he responds


weve got the joey and ruy rvs wagons firmly planted at this point. Joey tries to stand up for himself but it really shows his inability to realize the semantics of his post dont matter and people were just finding a reason to pressure him. He fell for the bait and argued about how his post means the same thing with or without qualifiers. Scum lean joey


joeys play exacerbated by his #126. awkward unnecessary smiley face? Check. Telling ruy not to try to meta him because his play will look different this game. Hmmm. Saying his vote on ruy was to see how people reacted to a vote switch and then taking the vote off because it no longer serves a purpose. Bleck. Joeys looking bad so far and i feel like a boner for defending him against joker earlier


lol'd at gorfs ruy vote


i like JM's entrance post. Joey suspicion at this phase of the game is legit and his is the first post to allude to such (not counting the pressure wagon from zozo and joker)


ruys questions dont seem to be going anywhere but it genuinely looks like hes trying to talk to a bunch of people at once and get them to work with him on progressing the game. Slight town


dont know why gheb and ruy both thought it wise to ask the first serious voter to explain their vote. JM gave all the justification that could really be given, and gheb even chose to clip that out of his quote when he quoted it. Weird


haha jokers #139. actually getting townier vibes from him in this interaction


dont care much for rykers joker vote at this phase, actually


#142 awkward interaction between ryker and joey, mostly from joeys side. Would look into the other on a scumflip from one


gheb noting that the setup is connection based and that joeys question to gorf is a good one is legit. Also, yeah that was a good question to ask but it wasnt really true that gorf was avoiding confrontation with ruy. Ruy asked gorf to work with him and gorf slapped a vote on him. Thats pretty confrontational.


Lol @ joey even slightly considering for even a moment that gorf was serious about having a posting restriction


its nice of ryker to ask some thoughtful questions and try to get content flowing. Gold star for him


@ #HBC | Ryker was your opinion of Joker legit at this phase of the game? Did you really scumread him? I know it's a while back, but could you outline why?


I liked mavens conclusion on joeys reactions to his wagons up until he said he thought it was joey trying to get out of RVS. Then he unvotes joker without doing anything else with his vote? Odd.


i dont see rykers stance on joker + maven scum though. I disagree with that


To answer rykers question for me so many days late, i think i would lynch maven before joker at the phase of the game you asked the question in


another question from ryker. To answer: I dont like that joey saw some setup speculation from gheb and said “yeah i agree with that that makes sense.” im not sure whether gheb himself believes what he is saying or not, but i for sure know that i agree with ryker. I actually think joey reading what ryker said and changing his mind is a towntell. Its good to see he at least realized that nodding his head along with gheb was bad.


I really dont like mavens #195. really defensive and really vicious at ryker. Not sure if its normal for him to get so riled up but he seems pretty mad in this interaction


ryker and maven are not aligned after this interaction. Ryker comes out looking better but hes more experienced so thats not necessarily telling.


Laundry looks good from his entrance. I like and agree with his maven vote


oddly enough, i like ruy's hate of my ryker vote.


Ghebs weird with coming in wanting laundry dead. @Gheb_01 what made you scumread laundry at this point in the game?


Then he also agrees with ruys dislike of me. Think it's interesting that hes defending maven


i cant decide if maven is scum flailing or frustrated town. I know ive been in his situation as the latter before


ryker asks for me ruy read. It is town at that point in time


man he has had such a boner for me all game. I feel bad for totally ignoring him


hmmmmm mavens #270 looks sincere. I think i want to postpone his lynch and look at other avenues. See what his play looks like when hes not being pressured from all sides


love jokers unvote at that point. He sees what i saw. I know weve both been in the same spot


ew @ joeys hop on after joker hops off. I think hes still my biggest scumread at this point

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Alex, what do you think of Ramses asking you not to post stream of conscious and otherwise trying to limit what is presented toward the end of the day?

What do you make of Gheb doing the same?

 

[Kantrip]

oh **** i copied more than one game

requesting a MOD edit that post to remove content pertaining to a different game

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Nice notes from another game. Reading.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

What do you make of Gheb doing the same?

Once more, I would ask your opinion.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Oh deadline is 7th at midnight, might not be back to post then.

 

[Kantrip]

this is all that should be there

SWAG HALLOWEEN MAFIA


rvs rvs rvs, laundry and zozo creepily hit on each other, i creepily hit on gheb, rvs rvs rvs


zozo attempts to get content flowing with a callout on joey for qualifiers. thats a swell thing to do


joker helps zozo pressure joey instead of focusing on people trying to get a rise out of him or telling zozo his reason for voting joey is bad. Green flag


joey jokes the accusation off. Null


gorf joins the pressure, ryker ignores it to pressure ruy. Both actions are null imo tbh


oh damn joey appealing his sentence from officer zozo but judge joker leans back in his armchair and lays down the law. Officer zozo shoots a like his way as he nods in approval. Looks like poor innocent joey is getting ****ed by the system. Lets see how he responds


weve got the joey and ruy rvs wagons firmly planted at this point. Joey tries to stand up for himself but it really shows his inability to realize the semantics of his post dont matter and people were just finding a reason to pressure him. He fell for the bait and argued about how his post means the same thing with or without qualifiers. Scum lean joey


joeys play exacerbated by his #126. awkward unnecessary smiley face? Check. Telling ruy not to try to meta him because his play will look different this game. Hmmm. Saying his vote on ruy was to see how people reacted to a vote switch and then taking the vote off because it no longer serves a purpose. Bleck. Joeys looking bad so far and i feel like a boner for defending him against joker earlier


lol'd at gorfs ruy vote


i like JM's entrance post. Joey suspicion at this phase of the game is legit and his is the first post to allude to such (not counting the pressure wagon from zozo and joker)


ruys questions dont seem to be going anywhere but it genuinely looks like hes trying to talk to a bunch of people at once and get them to work with him on progressing the game. Slight town


dont know why gheb and ruy both thought it wise to ask the first serious voter to explain their vote. JM gave all the justification that could really be given, and gheb even chose to clip that out of his quote when he quoted it. Weird


haha jokers #139. actually getting townier vibes from him in this interaction


dont care much for rykers joker vote at this phase, actually


#142 awkward interaction between ryker and joey, mostly from joeys side. Would look into the other on a scumflip from one


gheb noting that the setup is connection based and that joeys question to gorf is a good one is legit. Also, yeah that was a good question to ask but it wasnt really true that gorf was avoiding confrontation with ruy. Ruy asked gorf to work with him and gorf slapped a vote on him. Thats pretty confrontational.


Lol @ joey even slightly considering for even a moment that gorf was serious about having a posting restriction


its nice of ryker to ask some thoughtful questions and try to get content flowing. Gold star for him


@ #HBC | Ryker was your opinion of Joker legit at this phase of the game? Did you really scumread him? I know it's a while back, but could you outline why?


I liked mavens conclusion on joeys reactions to his wagons up until he said he thought it was joey trying to get out of RVS. Then he unvotes joker without doing anything else with his vote? Odd.


i dont see rykers stance on joker + maven scum though. I disagree with that


To answer rykers question for me so many days late, i think i would lynch maven before joker at the phase of the game you asked the question in


another question from ryker. To answer: I dont like that joey saw some setup speculation from gheb and said “yeah i agree with that that makes sense.” im not sure whether gheb himself believes what he is saying or not, but i for sure know that i agree with ryker. I actually think joey reading what ryker said and changing his mind is a towntell. Its good to see he at least realized that nodding his head along with gheb was bad.


I really dont like mavens #195. really defensive and really vicious at ryker. Not sure if its normal for him to get so riled up but he seems pretty mad in this interaction


ryker and maven are not aligned after this interaction. Ryker comes out looking better but hes more experienced so thats not necessarily telling.


Laundry looks good from his entrance. I like and agree with his maven vote


oddly enough, i like ruy's hate of my ryker vote.


Ghebs weird with coming in wanting laundry dead. @Gheb_01 what made you scumread laundry at this point in the game?


Then he also agrees with ruys dislike of me. Think it's interesting that hes defending maven


i cant decide if maven is scum flailing or frustrated town. I know ive been in his situation as the latter before


ryker asks for me ruy read. It is town at that point in time


man he has had such a boner for me all game. I feel bad for totally ignoring him


hmmmmm mavens #270 looks sincere. I think i want to postpone his lynch and look at other avenues. See what his play looks like when hes not being pressured from all sides


love jokers unvote at that point. He sees what i saw. I know weve both been in the same spot


ew @ joeys hop on after joker hops off. I think hes still my biggest scumread at this point

 

[Maven89]

I'm still voting Ryu

"maven what are your thoughts on his recent post"

Did nothing to alleviate my concern about his push on me and dodged the main concerns. I'd expect anyone to be able to jot down a reason for their vote whether town or not.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You almost never go for a lynch until it's close to deadline because you want more out of the day phase.

I wasn't going for a lynch, I asked at most for Joey to put him at L-1.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I'm out, not much else I can read at this point and late.

 

[Maven89]

"I liked mavens conclusion on joeys reactions to his wagons up until he said he thought it was joey trying to get out of RVS. Then he unvotes joker without doing anything else with his vote? Odd."

I mean that's not what I said at all

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

I wasn't going for a lynch, I asked at most for Joey to put him at L-1.

Maven really needs to find a noose imo.

 

[Maven89]

I wasn't going for a lynch, I asked at most for Joey to put him at L-1.

Why did you want me at L-1?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Once more, I would ask your opinion.

I don't honestly put that much stock into it. Do you dislike Ramses?

Your turn on both of them.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

@ #HBC | Ryker was your opinion of Joker legit at this phase of the game? Did you really scumread him? I know it's a while back, but could you outline why?

Didn't like Joker's attitude. Wanted to see if he would jump. Figured that a push full of holes needed push back at that point.

I've come to the conclusion I will never like Joker's attitude. Didn't like it initially, didn't like his cocky response to pressure, don't like his recent interactions with Joey. Note I dislike it not in the sense that he's scum. I dislike it in the sense that his nature is offensive to my senses.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Why did you want me at L-1?

Also solid question to ask.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

Unvote

Leaning Ruy. What's he at?

 

[Kantrip]

honestly i think that was what was happening to me when i was siding with joey in their argument before reading properly

but i think hes town this game

 

[Kantrip]

is joey still on the table? im going to continue my read after a brief break but could someone lay out a few points for why ruy is on the chopping block?

 

[Dooms]

I won't vote Laundry. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he's said, and the stuff that is against him seems more like lack of investment in this game than scumplay.

I will vote Ryu. I find it odd that he tried to rush the wagon on Maven like others have stated. I also don't like how he did ask for a lynch, how he reacted to the lynch, and now where he's stating that he didn't ask for a lynch. :s

I won't vote Kantrip, either. I don't really care for the "he was sidelining" thing because it honestly seemed like he was going after a scum read he had at the time from my perspective (since I felt the exact same way he did and it seemed like he was going after what he thought was suspicious).

Out of those three being the popular lynches (plus myself), The only one I'd be willing to go with is Ryu.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

@ Kantrip I'm not aligned with Maven. Does that mean it must be SvS or SvT or does that not include the possibility of TvT?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Okay, yeh, I misread Gheb. Nvm.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

is joey still on the table? im going to continue my read after a brief break but could someone lay out a few points for why ruy is on the chopping block?

I don't mind this much either.

I also don't mind Xonar.

@ #HBC | Nabe Request votecount.

 

[Kantrip]

@ Kantrip I'm not aligned with Maven. Does that mean it must be SvS or SvT or does that not include the possibility of TvT?

it includes every possibility except for both of you being on the same scumteam

could be SvS on differing teams, could be SvT, could be TvT

 

[Kantrip]

I won't vote Laundry. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he's said, and the stuff that is against him seems more like lack of investment in this game than scumplay.

I will vote Ryu. I find it odd that he tried to rush the wagon on Maven like others have stated. I also don't like how he did ask for a lynch, how he reacted to the lynch, and now where he's stating that he didn't ask for a lynch. :s

I won't vote Kantrip, either. I don't really care for the "he was sidelining" thing because it honestly seemed like he was going after a scum read he had at the time from my perspective (since I felt the exact same way he did and it seemed like he was going after what he thought was suspicious).

Out of those three being the popular lynches (plus myself), The only one I'd be willing to go with is Ryu.

can you point out where rushed the maven wagon and where he asked for a lynch? all I saw was him saying maven should be put to L-1 but I dont remember him calling for a hammer

 

[Maven89]

is joey still on the table? im going to continue my read after a brief break but could someone lay out a few points for why ruy is on the chopping block?

I mean didn't you just read the thread?

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I'm out, not much else I can read at this point and late.

I don't think he actually dips as town. I think he stays to fight it.

What's the vote at? Pretty sure Ruy's going to die today. I'd rather it be after I finish talking with Laundry and post my own readlist.

 

[Kantrip]

I mean didn't you just read the thread?

im only up to page 8 so far

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

I don't honestly put that much stock into it. Do you dislike Ramses?

Your turn on both of them.

I like Gheb because he tried to shut down useless discussion and actively prompted helpful discussion.

At this juncture I dislike Ramses because he tried to shut down useful discussion. If you couldn't tell, I actively desire your thought process. But beyond that, it seems like lip service. I am off put by Ramses being all smiles and it is not easily put aside by a lot of non-posting. I need to reread the interaction and see what else he did that was positive rather than just the negative that stuck with me.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Because it helped assuage some of my thoughts on him. I still don't know why he was so gungho to lynch Maven but he reached the correct results by the end of it and his reasons/results were very similar to mine even if the conclusions were different. It made me feel better about him. I don't like how he was adamantly pushing to lynch Maven like he did but I buy into the fact that he may give more later on and I still do see the townie intent in him trying to push questions at the start of the game. Normally Ruy would try to hide under the radar.

@ #HBC | Ryker

where am i wrong

 

[Dooms]

I don't think he actually dips as town. I think he stays to fight it.

What's the vote at? Pretty sure Ruy's going to die today. I'd rather it be after I finish talking with Laundry and post my own readlist.

He literally just said he was going to play smash + hyrule warriors with friends. Stahp.

@ Kantrip where he said "Maven needs to find the noose" is a strong point. Also, his reaction to the lynch was pretty much like "well see you guys tomorrow!" which was pretty odd when paired with the other two posts he had rushing the wagon.

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

it includes every possibility except for both of you being on the same scumteam

could be SvS on differing teams, could be SvT, could be TvT

So not aligned except in the case of TvT. That's what I was getting at because I was confused given your recent attitude toward both slots.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I don't think he actually dips as town. I think he stays to fight it.

What's the vote at? Pretty sure Ruy's going to die today. I'd rather it be after I finish talking with Laundry and post my own readlist.

What horse**** is this?

I don't ditch my friends when I got plans

 

[#HBC | Ryker]

@ #HBC | Ryker

where am i wrong

You give too much credit to his final results. His final results are fine. Awkward because of the Maven read, but well enough. However, they are pretty much a survey of the game and a hop onto the only other viable wagon. The results don't really mean anything one way or another.

 

[Kantrip]

So not aligned except in the case of TvT. That's what I was getting at because I was confused given your recent attitude toward both slots.

oh yeah i suppose TvT is technically aligned

meant not scum together