Swag Halloween Mafia --- swag NEVER ends

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Don't do this with me, man...

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

If this is the case, then why did you go out of your way to say that you agreed with Joker on me and made a list of things that made me scummy? What happened to that list?

those are literally my last thoughts about you and all ive been going on. i still think kantrip was especially grimy and evasive and lame there. and maybe i just had a bias against you for the way the **** went down, but ill be sure to muscle through that to ensure my stance on it.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Gorf, am I going to have to painstakingly get individual answers out of you or can you just give me something to work with? You're on the chopping block, being a drag is gonna help nobody.

 

[Dooms]

Okay.

Re-read completed.
Maven is a good lynch.
Kantrip is a decent lynch.
Ruy is still a good lynch and in terms of connections might actually be the most fruitful.
Joey is a mixed bag, would rather avoid for now.

Any of Laundry/Ryker I welcome to talk to me about Joker. Wouldn't mind the direction especially on re-read, because he fits what I expect out of scum in this set-up almost perfectly, but I have my doubts.

Gorf, gimme a compilation of all your relevant thoughts at this moment.

Vote: Ruy
Vote: Maven
Vote: Ruy

I wouldn't hate going Maven at all if we can get the traction for it. I can settle for Kantrip esp with his scumslip.

Kantrip scumslip?

Also, why Maven? A lot of people have switched to town on him based on how he reacted at the end of the wagon. Do you not agree with that?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Maven had his grimy moments. I'm not convinced of frustrated townie myself but what bothers me more is all his play after his Ruy vote (where he was all like "Well since I'm getting lynched anyway..."). Why don't you re-read and tell me what you think?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

if thats not what you mean by relevant thoughts then i want you to treat me like im 6 years old and directly ask me questions. because thats whats on my mind :|

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

if thats not what you mean by relevant thoughts then i want you to treat me like im 6 years old and directly ask me questions. because thats whats on my mind :|

What's the plan now then? You unvoted in the same post you were wondering why people don't look at Ruy more, but never put your vote down again.

 

[Dooms]

those are literally my last thoughts about you and all ive been going on. i still think kantrip was especially grimy and evasive and lame there. and maybe i just had a bias against you for the way the **** went down, but ill be sure to muscle through that to ensure my stance on it.

Why was what Kantrip did scummy compared to what I did? The fact that he wasn't the one being attacked therefore it was sidelining?

Okay. I get that all you've been using for me is that debate. That's what Ryker did with me and the thing with Gheb. I'm not asking you to reconsider your read on me. I'm asking for you to say why you aren't sticking to that now. What changed that made me not a viable lynch? Hell, why didn't you push my lynch at all after you said specifically what made me scum?

@ #HBC | ZoZo I feel you with Maven. After moving Gheb to town, he's a null-scum for me. I still don't like his play before. I don't like that he has taken a sideline after he was left alone, and I don't like that he's not even attempting to generate new content. He's still sitting on Ryu and myself and unless I missed something he's not generating literally anything new.

Regarding that post, I see where people are coming from, but I don't agree with it, either. I don't think he's a viable lynch today because there are people like Gorf, Joker, and Ryu that have more priority for me, but I understand where you're coming from with wanting him lynched (especially if you don't agree with me on Joker and/or Gorf).

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

After moving Gheb to town, he's a null-scum for me.

Wait, what?

 

[Dooms]

Also it was dumb for me to ask for Kantrip scumslip. Ignore that if you haven't already.

 

[Dooms]

Wait, what?

After moving Gheb to town, Maven is a null-scum for me.

 

[Dooms]

Or are you asking why?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Or are you asking why?

This.

 

[Dooms]

First off, that's not the only thing that made me reconsider. I know the way I worded it made it seem that way, but that's not the case.

Regarding Gheb, I simply don't see Gheb and Maven as scum together, and I definitely didn't see Maven + Ryu. Those were two different scum teams to me, so based on what I thought, it was pretty unlikely that he was scum. I still had my problems with him from before to a lesser extent considering that initially I thought he was doing better without pressure on him, but considering he didn't fit on either scum team for me, I left him at null (although closer to the scum side considering that JM was 100% null for me).

When looking through Kantrip's notes again and saw what he said about Maven, I looked back at his wagon and how it ended, and I looked at how he posted after his wagon. He had "wtf Joker" posts, but after that was clarified (I think it was clarified for him, anyawys. He never truly responded to Joker to say that he clarified things for him or not) he didn't really do anything at all. He came back into the thread to say that I was scummy and that he still wanted Ryu lynched and threw questions like "Why did you want me at L-1" at Ryu, but outside of when he was defending himself, he has made almost no contribution to the game at all.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Re: Gheb/Maven - I see. Did you consider connections like this when constructing your would-lynch list (which I assume is the scummies in your giant spoiler-tag post)?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

What's the plan now then? You unvoted in the same post you were wondering why people don't look at Ruy more, but never put your vote down again.

the plan is to reread before setting my vote down so that im at least not a part of any quick lynching shenanigans thatll cause me to not be caught up before deadline hits.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

@ #HBC | ZoZo I feel you with Maven. After moving Gheb to town, he's a null-scum for me. I still don't like his play before. I don't like that he has taken a sideline after he was left alone, and I don't like that he's not even attempting to generate new content. He's still sitting on Ryu and myself and unless I missed something he's not generating literally anything new.

also is this a response based on the re-read I asked you to do, or just from the top of your head?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

the plan is to reread before setting my vote down so that im at least not a part of any quick lynching shenanigans thatll cause me to not be caught up before deadline hits.

Aight well let me know hombre. Can someone American tell me how many hours until deadline?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@Joey cuz honestly ive had a combo of preferring a ruy lynch since i broke my restriction (evidenced by me tryna push that harder) and straight up skimming your posts. and honestly i came up with the brilliant plan of having one of my town reads (ryker) determine my read on you a few pages back after i stopped acknowledging you, so when he switched town to you i was kinda just like "meh"

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Aight well let me know hombre. Can someone American tell me how many hours until deadline?

11

 

[Dooms]

I'm not really good with connections honestly, so it was more "is it possible for these two to be scum together" than "are these two scum together

I couldn't see Gheb/Maven
I couldn't see Ryu/Maven
I couldn't see Gorf/Joker
I couldn't see Ryu/Gheb

The only actual connection I made from reading the thread is that I can see scumRyu on scumGorf lynch. Ryu is avoiding Gorf like the plague and addressing everything else on his wagon while Gorf is trying to take credit for the push on Ryu when he didn't actually commit to it at all. Gorf responded to the read post Ryu made, yet it was all fence-sitty **** like "he's good in my book UNLESS he does x and y." and "I can understand this but it's not alignment telling". Ryu said he's willing to lynch Gorf only as a worst-case scenario and he hasn't actually shared a read on Gorf from what I remember. Stuff like that.

also is this a response based on the re-read I asked you to do, or just from the top of your head?

top of my head, but I've re-read the thread 2-3 times since I made that wall I posted.

10 hours until deadline worst case scenario if he's same time zone as Raz. I think he's EST though so 11?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Bleh that's 6AM for me. Doable.

 

[Kantrip]

Ugh.

Reading at work. Don't expect a catchup post but I'll have a direction

 

[Dooms]

@Joey cuz honestly ive had a combo of preferring a ruy lynch since i broke my restriction (evidenced by me tryna push that harder) and straight up skimming your posts. and honestly i came up with the brilliant plan of having one of my town reads (ryker) determine my read on you a few pages back after i stopped acknowledging you, so when he switched town to you i was kinda just like "meh"

So I went from viable lynch to good in your book for now...

because Ryker said so?

If this is the case, then why are you still trying to cast suspicion on both myself and Kantrip with your "If you don't think that what they did is fishy, you're crazy" post? You obviously still had scum suspicion of me. Why is Kantrip different in this scenario?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

"why dafuq did ryker point to me being scum on a ruy scum flip at one point for? wasnt i literally the first person to suspect and garner suspicion for him?"

Can you find this post my Ryker? I searched the thread but didn't find it.

 

[Kantrip]

ugh you ****ing ****er start working WITH these people because you DID misread something even though a lot of your reasoning/points i can see

This post is right on the money.

I jumped on Joker for misreading something and I didn't read the full conversation properly. Joker was actually justified throughout most of it besides his one misunderstanding.

I actually don't like Gorf very much so far

 

[Dooms]

Can you find this post my Ryker? I searched the thread but didn't find it.

It's his notes post FWIW. Says Gorf's 380 is the reasoning behind thinking that, which is this post.

i totally agree @ laundry but objectively i think ruy's approach to the maven wagon was much more awful. but ultimately i think leaving laundry wiggle room past toDay is more dangerous and im sure if hes town hell come back here n put out.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

Ah thanks, that makes a lot of sense. Gonna wait for Kantrip and Gorf to catch up. Definitely wanna talk with one of Drew/Alex about Joker before this day ends.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I want more on all of this from you when you're off from work and can actually read the thread.

Tell me now before later. Specifics.

 

[Dooms]

Tell me now before later. Specifics.

Why will you only lynch Gorf in a worst case scenario?

Why are Ryker and Laundry not on the same team?

Why are you town reading me that strongly?

Why is Joker playing to his meta instead of playing as scum? Did you read what I said or are you just basing people's scumJoker opinion off of what Ryker said?

If you could lynch one single person today, who would it be? Who would be your second choice?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Exams are done! Reading is not done, I've only read things on a surface level for now.

First thing's first,
unvote

I like Joey some more now that he made a good effort on Gorf, it shows that he's still looking for scum. Since there's multiple factions, that doesn't mean he's town, but he's at least trying to help, which gives me a better vibe.

I agree with a lot of his points on Gorf, especially in that he's been going along with Ryker often (who has a lot of thread control it seems). What also really annoys me in Gorf's stance towards Joey. His #593 is really upsetting, it shows he just doesn't care about a part of the game (Joey) and will just not look in that direction. I know nothing about Gorf and what he does in other games, but regardless of if he hates Joey outside of it or just ignores him in every mafia, it still doesn't fly with me. Someone makes legit arguments against you, you can't just say "I don't acknowledge you".
I'd be down on lynching Gorf, but that wouldn't be for reasons I found myself, it's just agreeing with what others said about him (because I don't remember his posts from my single readthrough).

The other person I'm heavily considering is Ryu. The most striking thing is the fact that after he thought Maven was lynched, he just reacted with "well see ya tomorrow" and left, while the rest of the bagon freaked out. Him being okay with such a baseless lynch really disgusts me. Now there's always the WIFOM chance that mafia would never say something like that since its such a scummy thing, but then they might etc. etc. So I'm just gonna take it at face value and say that it's very grimy to be fine with that lynch.

Doorbell just rang, so I got visitors, this is where I will wrap up my post for now.

Other than that, I think Ryu's contributions after he came back from Maven's "lynch" are not significant, Ryker isn't aligned with Laundry,
Finally, I wouldn't want to lynch Chaco for inactivity, since he'll either get replaced or modkilled, so no need to waste our lynch.
Maven why wouldn't you be lynched toDay? What have you done other than scumslip?

and who is gus (me or xonar) and what does HBC mean?

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

HBC stands for HardBodyCrew and it's just a dGames thing where you go hard in the paint under the name of HBC. I'll read your post in a bit.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

swagtastically ACCURATE swag 1-4

Joker (1) -- Potassium
Chaco
Ryker
Gheb
Laundry
Potassium (2) -- Red Ryu, Gheb
Gorf (1) -- Joey
Maven (1) -- Laundry
Joey (1) -- Joker
Zozo
Jim Morrison
Red Ryu (2) -- Maven, Zozo

Not voting -- Chaco, Ryker, Gorf, Jim Morrison


[collapse=swag history]
Joker: Joey > Maven > Unvote > Joey
Chaco
Ryker: Joker > Red Ryu > Joker > Maven > Unvote > Laundry > Potassium > Unvote
Gheb: Joker > Laundry > Potassium
Laundry: Potassium > Red Ryu > Maven
Potassium: Laundry > Ryker > Joker
Gorf: Joker > Joey > Red Ryu > Joey > Red Ryu > Joker > Joker > Laundry > Unvote
Maven: Joker > Unvote > Ryker > Red Ryu
Joey: Ryker > Red Ryu > Unvote > Maven > Unvote > Gorf
Zozo: Maven > Joey > Maven > Unvote > Joey > Maven > Maven > Red Ryu > Ryu > Ryu > Ryu
Jim Morrison: Zozo > Joey > Unvote
Red Ryu: Gorf > Joey > Maven > Potassium
[/collapse]

7/12 votes to kill a man
day ends in like 8 hours and 20 minutes
ish
but who's counting

 

[Jim Morrison]

uh Vote: Ryu

In case I don't come back tonight

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

@xonar ryker said that in his notes somewhere and @Joey shut your mouth i ain't tryna "take credit," i'm just baffled that it's implied that i'm being shady about the wagon at all when i've been pushing it since BEFORE i broke my restriction. what is your standard of being "committed" if simply saying that him talking about not caring about wanting maven to claim and saying that i'll hold my vote till he "comes back from playing dynasty warriors/smash 4" breaks that commitment?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Vote Gorf

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Not sure why there's so little actual support for a Kantrip lynch. Seems like almost everybody is OK with lynching him but no one seems to be willing to actually throw their vote on him. Annoying.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Joker (1) -- Potassium
Potassium (2) -- Red Ryu, Gheb
Gorf (1) -- Joey
Maven (1) -- Laundry
Joey (1) -- Joker
Red Ryu (2) -- Maven, Zozo

Not voting -- Chaco, Ryker, Gorf, Jim Morrison

@ Kantrip @#HBC | Laundry @#HBC | Joker @#HBC | Ryker @ #HBC | Gorf

Do something useful with your vote plz. We have like 7 hours left until deadline...

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Why will you only lynch Gorf in a worst case scenario?

Why are Ryker and Laundry not on the same team?

Why are you town reading me that strongly?

Why is Joker playing to his meta instead of playing as scum? Did you read what I said or are you just basing people's scumJoker opinion off of what Ryker said?

If you could lynch one single person today, who would it be? Who would be your second choice?

Well until his recent posts, I haven't had a main issue with him. Now I do have problems with him from the past page and this one. I'm not liking how his reads have developed And pushed given how he has been addressing you and Xonar. Before I didn't see a main issue with him.

Ryker and Laundry are hard distancing of they are related. Ryker has had main issues and the questionares with note lists look far more like two people trying work together while using it as a way to read others.

The way you are reacting abd reading into the game is you being invested and trying to get stuff done. Your not posting long lists of note with a limited direction. You clearly have something you want to get done and you are trying to figure it out. This is town Joey.

Joker has some poor reactions to people calling him out, but eh Ryker is right and given how mad I got at him for OS' Megaman Mafia I think it fits.

I'll expand on that abd the rest when I am off work.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Vote: Gorf