Super Smash Bros Uprising = good or bad?

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

It's not bad. What's bad is blowing something out of proportion.

Personally, I don't care. I'm not going to be playing with items after a while anyway.

 

[Deathcarter]

Call me if Dark Pit get's a roster spot. Other than that possibility I don't really care about the rest of the uprising content.

 

[L9L]

Nintendo often gets criticized for not having any new franchises. KIU is (in a lot of ways) a new franchise for them. I feel like that could be one reason it's getting a lot of representation. The items and characters also fit the Smash universe, so I have no problem with them having their time in the sun.

That being said, I would have picked Medusa over Palutena for a second rep, but. . . .

 

[StarLight42]

Don't like it at all.

 

[KingIceSonic]

FEA and KIU shouldn't get extra representation just because they did well. The only thing those games achieved is that they helped save their series. DKCR for the 3ds alone sold more than FEA, so does that mean DK will get 4 reps? Probably not

 

[Xermo]

I don't mind the over-representation, considering sakurai directed uprising, it's only natural he'll have bias for his games.
My only dislike is the consensus that a franchise in smash has to be "relevant" in this day of age in order to even get more representation.
"oh wow Awakening was so great and new, let's flood it with more characters. Ice Climber? Mother? Wtf are those fossils doing in the game. Sakurai pls, screw those iconic franchises and satisfy my newgen desires."

 

[LeeYawshee]

A series getting a ton of items? Sounds a lot like Zelda in this game.

Is it a bad thing? No.
Is it overboard? As long as the items feel like Smash items, it is 100% fine. They all look fun as well. That's what items are for.

 

[Booster]

Not compared to the over representation of Mario, so nope.

 

[SS-bros14]

Being honest, I really don't care.

 

[MrPanic]

To be honest, they could add Medusa as a third KI rep and I still wouldn't be bothered about it. As long as the content is good, I can't be bothered with a little bias from the creator.

 

[GunGunW]

There's a really good point about it could be considered Super Smash Pokèmon for 3DS/WiiU...

I'll give you the point on Donkey Kong, but out of sheer curiosity, can you name more stuff that could be added from, say, Metroid or Pikmin? Ridley does not count. Think of anyone else.

Louie, Charlie, or Alph.... heck why not a bulborb?

For Metroid, Sylux seems cool, and there's always Dark Samus (though they should avoid that route all together honestly)

 

[Greda]

Who cares? The more the better. Having all of this content is better than not having it at all, so stop being mad at it.

The way this is going is that the only way for Smash it be normal is if there are only ten characters on the roster and a stage for each series.

 

[Superyoshiom]

Who cares.
I'm not going to play on Palutena's temple, use items anyways, or play Smash run.

Might as well be:

Kid Icarus :

Donkey Kong:

Even Steven in my eyes.

Kid Icarus: 3 Approximately miillion units worth of games sold
Donkey Kong: Over 50 million units

I like Kid Icarus, but it should not be even. I understand for characters, there can be anamolies here and there (like Fire Emblem having four characters) but most of us believe that DK will get a third and possibly fourth rep. The issue here isn't with characters, but with the other content, like items and Smash Run enemies. Just because things in a game work well in Smash, doesn't mean you should flood content in from one game while you leave other series, behemoths of series like Donkey Kong, out in the dark, or having less content.

 

[Bassoonist]

There's a really good point about it could be considered Super Smash Pokèmon for 3DS/WiiU...

The difference is that Pokemon is a HUGE Nintendo franchise, on par with the Mario franchise. Besides, Pokemon is a completely separate phenomenon on its own, which is why we oftentimes see Pokemon characters based less on their prominence in the game series. Pokemon really deserves several characters and other kinds of representation.

Kid Icarus is not any such thing. It was a series that never made the transition beyond the NES/GB. It has been revived for a grand total of one title, and Sakurai said he has no interest in making a sequel. Now, I know Sakurai says that all of the time about the Smash series, so we have to take it with a grain of salt. Lol.

However, it just can't even remotely compare to the franchise like Mario and Pokemon, or really even a lot of the franchises represented in Smash.

However, as I said earlier, I will wait to judge fully. As we've seen, Sakurai is not shy on buffing up series that are less represented, seeing as now Fire Emblem has four characters. So hopefully Donkey Kong and Metroid will get upgraded to have more characters than KI, and non-represented franchise (at least by character) get their first character this time around.

I just really don't want to see these tossed aside for KI, because it really doesn't deserve it over them.

 

[Vann Accessible]

What's a Donkey Kong?

This game needs more Medusa! More I say!

 

[GunGunW]

The difference is that Pokemon is a HUGE Nintendo franchise, on par with the Mario franchise. Besides, Pokemon is a completely separate phenomenon on its own, which is why we oftentimes see Pokemon characters based less on their prominence in the game series. Pokemon really deserves several characters and other kinds of representation.

Kid Icarus is not any such thing. It was a series that never made the transition beyond the NES/GB. It has been revived for a grand total of one title, and Sakurai said he has no interest in making a sequel. Now, I know Sakurai says that all of the time about the Smash series, so we have to take it with a grain of salt. Lol.

However, it just can't even remotely compare to the franchise like Mario and Pokemon, or really even a lot of the franchises represented in Smash.

However, as I said earlier, I will wait to judge fully. As we've seen, Sakurai is not shy on buffing up series that are less represented, seeing as now Fire Emblem has four characters. So hopefully Donkey Kong and Metroid will get upgraded to have more characters than KI, and non-represented franchise (at least by character) get their first character this time around.

I just really don't want to see these tossed aside for KI, because it really doesn't deserve it over them.

That's actually the point I wanted to bring into this: Mario and Pokemon deserve all the representation they can get. They're not just Nintendo's two biggest franchises, they're the two biggest video game franchises period.

...and even though I like Mario more than Pokemon, I actually think Pokemon is the one series that can get away with having more content than Mario.

 

[StarLight42]

Not compared to the over representation of Mario, so nope.

Super Mario:
5 Characters (3 of which are retaining their exact same movesets from Brawl)
6 Stages (If you count Paper Mario stage)
20 Items (counting Soccer Balls and some of those other obsolete items)
3 Assists
11 Smash Run Enemies

Legend of Zelda:
4 Characters (5 if Ganon makes it)
3 Stages so far
8 Items
3 Assists
7 Smash Run Enemies


Kid Icarus:
2 Characters (3 if Dark Pit) (Also pit has tons of new moves)
2 Stages so far
6 items
2 Assists
20 Smash Run Enemies

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I would say Mario deserves the vast representation because, HE HAS GAMES, LOTS OF THEM. Kid Icarus only has one recent game. I would say Super Mario Bros. is better than Kid Icarus. I would say Kid Icarus OMAM is better than Super Mario Land. and I would say Uprising might be better than 3D Land, but that's controversial.

Point im trying to make: Kid Icarus gets a ton of NEW representation in this game. Mario might have more, but a load of it is just old stuff copied from Brawl, including Mario himself, which is a shame really, FLUDD SUCKS!

 

[Superyoshiom]

Call me if Dark Pit get's a roster spot. Other than that possibility I don't really care about the rest of the uprising content.

The thing is, every day it seems like a greater and greater possibility. Think about the facts:

1) Sakurai doesn't care about how popular a franchise is (4 FE reps).
2) The only other character that was playable in Uprising that wasn't Pit or Dark Pit was Magnus, and he's an AT.
3) We still haven't seen any mention of a black Pit color.
4) Dark Pit is on the Palutena illustration (then again, Isabelle was on Villager's and she isn't playable).
5) Easy clone. Even if Dark Pit was meant to be an alt for Pit, Lucina tells us that these alts can easily become their own characters if there are only the slightest differences.

I'm scared.

 

[StarLight42]

The thing is, every day it seems like a greater and greater possibility. Think about the facts:

1) Sakurai doesn't care about how popular a franchise is (4 FE reps).
2) The only other character that was playable in Uprising that wasn't Pit or Dark Pit was Magnus, and he's an AT.
3) We still haven't seen any mention of a black Pit color.
4) Dark Pit is on the Palutena illustration (then again, Isabelle was on Villager's and she isn't playable).
5) Easy clone. Even if Dark Pit was meant to be an alt for Pit, Lucina tells us that these alts can easily become their own characters if there are only the slightest differences.

I'm scared.

Plot twist: Eggplant Wizard is playable.

 

[Deleted member]

It's not really that bad, but the amount of stuff it's getting in comparison to much larger and less represented franchises like Donkey Kong and Metroid can be a bit annoying. But there's still room for both of those to receive new content, so I can't really pass judgement.

Also people should keep in mind that while Mario, Pokemon, and Zelda have tons of content as well, they're also Nintendo's juggernauts and some of the biggest and best selling game franchises in the world, with Mario topping the list as the best selling video game franchise of all time. The representation is rightfully deserved whether we like it or not.

 

[Bassoonist]

The thing is, every day it seems like a greater and greater possibility. Think about the facts:

1) Sakurai doesn't care about how popular a franchise is (4 FE reps).
2) The only other character that was playable in Uprising that wasn't Pit or Dark Pit was Magnus, and he's an AT.
3) We still haven't seen any mention of a black Pit color.
4) Dark Pit is on the Palutena illustration (then again, Isabelle was on Villager's and she isn't playable).
5) Easy clone. Even if Dark Pit was meant to be an alt for Pit, Lucina tells us that these alts can easily become their own characters if there are only the slightest differences.

I'm scared.

I'm scared, too. Dark Pit would be complete and total overkill. Even if he followed Lucina in being a 'bonus' character, I really wouldn't care. I'd rather have a 'bonus' clone in another series, because I just feel like KI has already got its fill plus more.

 

[Superyoshiom]

The difference is that Pokemon is a HUGE Nintendo franchise, on par with the Mario franchise. Besides, Pokemon is a completely separate phenomenon on its own, which is why we oftentimes see Pokemon characters based less on their prominence in the game series. Pokemon really deserves several characters and other kinds of representation.

Kid Icarus is not any such thing. It was a series that never made the transition beyond the NES/GB. It has been revived for a grand total of one title, and Sakurai said he has no interest in making a sequel. Now, I know Sakurai says that all of the time about the Smash series, so we have to take it with a grain of salt. Lol.

However, it just can't even remotely compare to the franchise like Mario and Pokemon, or really even a lot of the franchises represented in Smash.

However, as I said earlier, I will wait to judge fully. As we've seen, Sakurai is not shy on buffing up series that are less represented, seeing as now Fire Emblem has four characters. So hopefully Donkey Kong and Metroid will get upgraded to have more characters than KI, and non-represented franchise (at least by character) get their first character this time around.

I just really don't want to see these tossed aside for KI, because it really doesn't deserve it over them.

People complain that Pokemon shouldn't get more reps than Mario, like in Brawl. What they fail to realize is that even though Mario has a large cast of characters, after the big four and Rosalina (Yoshi and Wario not included) we boil down to controversial choices like Toad, Bowser Jr., Paper Mario, and that hideous abomination Daisy.

Whereas with Pokemon, after you get power players like Pikachu and Charizard out of the way, you can still add more. Lucario's still major everywhere and Greninja is popular in the meta game, not to mention everyone and their mother chose them as their starter in X and Y. Then you want to add characters like Jigglypuff because of seniority, so now we are tied with Mario. But from there, you can still add in more characters. Mewtwo is the most requested character in the world, but people seriously don't want him in because Pokemon will out rep Mario. Even beyond that, there's still fan favorites like Squirtle and Ivyasur. For all we know, all these characters could get in, giving us eight reps. But all those eight reps deserve there spot and are icons (actually, not really Ivysaur, but you can just change him to Bulbasaur). That doesn't work with Mario. Even now, people insist that Rosalina isn't popular enough or deserving of her spot.

Back to the main topic at hand, I think with this in mind, we can determine the fate of this overrepresentation of Kid Icarus. When people think of characters from that series, people think Pit and Palutena. If Dark Pit were to get in, it would be out of pure bias. Fire Emblem, a niche series, got 4 characters because all those characters are well received and wanted. Palutena was wanted, but everyone insisted on Dark Pit being either not playable or a Pit alt.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Whether he's an alt, clone or a completely different character, I don't care.

I want Dark Pit playable. Especially if it turns out Pit and Palutena have their own codecs with all the characters. <3

 

[Superyoshiom]

Whether he's an alt, clone or a completely different character, I don't care.

I want Dark Pit playable. Especially if it turns out Pit and Palutena have their own codecs with all the characters. <3

Oh yeah, this. Overrepped or not, we need the codecs from Uprising. One of the best parts of the game, I'd really love it.

I feel that we got a tease of it in Palutena's trailer when we could hear Viridi talking. I don't think they would bother bringing Viridi's voice actor for just one line in a trailer for the game.

 

[Cap'nChreest]

I think everyone is just taking this a bit too seriously.

The game isn't out yet. We don't know whats in store. And if its "not how its supposed to be" make a thread about it when we actually know how it is.

 

[Wanderer from Roseyard]

KI is already a small series, but all the content seems to be coming straight from KIU like the earlier two games don't exist. And normally I wouldn't care how much content a series gets, because it's never really been in any kind of proportion (three Star Fox characters, two Mother characters), but it's all coming from one game that I really don't care for.

Also, it's just another example of Nintendo developers desperately vying to get their properties into Smash Bros, putting SSB ahead of their own projects, which was the entire basis behind characters like Magnus and Zoroark (and I'm glad those failed). KIU just had the advantage of Sakurai helming it.

The several new Zelda items are warranted, though, because the series has had little else than a Heart Container for the last three games. And Bunny Hood, I guess.

 

[Superyoshiom]

KI is already a small series, but all the content seems to be coming straight from KIU like the earlier two games don't exist. And normally I wouldn't care how much content a series gets, because it's never really been in any kind of proportion (three Star Fox characters, two Mother characters), but it's all coming from one game that I really don't care for.

Also, it's just another example of Nintendo developers desperately vying to get their properties into Smash Bros, putting SSB ahead of their own projects, which was the entire basis behind characters like Magnus and Zoroark (and I'm glad those failed). KIU just had the advantage of Sakurai helming it.

To be fair, no one cares about Myths and Monsters. Soeaking of older KI games, though, have Eggplant Wizards been confirmed as Smash Run enemies yet? Out of the truckload of enemies that series has, that'd seem like a no brainer, along with Monoeyes and Reapers.

 

[Eight Melodies]

Why would anyone complain about too much content? lol

 

[Superyoshiom]

Why would anyone complain about too much content? lol

We're complaining about how Kid Icarus is getting more content than series like Metroid and DK which are bigger than it. We assume it's due to bias and we are fearful that Dark Pit will be playable. I own Kid Icarus Uprising and enjoy it a lot, but this is a bit too much.

Looking at your avatar reminded me of how little Mother content is in this game. It seems all Nintendo wants to do is bury that franchise as deep as they can.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I don't really care about Smash Run or Item representation, but I'll admit that I'm very tired of Kid Icarus daily pictures as Uprising doesn't interest me in the slightest, I liked it more when Kirby was Sakurai's darling.

 

[Gidy]

Who's honestly gonna pay attention to the Smash Run characters? You're only gonna see them for a couple seconds before you smash 'em. Donkey Kong has a stage from Melee in the 3DS Version. Plus Sakurai's probably hiding stuff from us still. Wait until the game's out.

But even if things remain the same, it's not really hard to embrace the Kid Icarus representation in Smash Bros. It is a game Sakurai worked on after all, and it seems he is keen to put in inspired content from games he worked on like Smash Run.

 

[Eight Melodies]

We're complaining about how Kid Icarus is getting more content than series like Metroid and DK which are bigger than it. We assume it's due to bias and we are fearful that Dark Pit will be playable. I own Kid Icarus Uprising and enjoy it a lot, but this is a bit too much.

Looking at your avatar reminded me of how little Mother content is in this game. It seems all Nintendo wants to do is bury that franchise as deep as they can.

Eh, as long as the content looks fun, which most of the KI stuff in this game seems to be, I don't really care about what franchise it originates from. And I've not even played Kid Icarus.

But please give me Ness and Lucas Nintendo please

 

[Mensrea]

Uprising was an awesome game. It deserves Palutena and all the representation it's gotten so far.

That being said, I don't want Dark Pit.

Also, the game needs more Metroid.

 

[Imber]

We're complaining about how Kid Icarus is getting more content than series like Metroid and DK which are bigger than it. We assume it's due to bias and we are fearful that Dark Pit will be playable. I own Kid Icarus Uprising and enjoy it a lot, but this is a bit too much.

Looking at your avatar reminded me of how little Mother content is in this game. It seems all Nintendo wants to do is bury that franchise as deep as they can.

S-stop that. You're making me depressed..

 

[Khao]

Kid Icarus is getting as much love as it deserves, it was a fantastic game back in the 80s (honestly, I find it infinitely superior to pre-SNES Metroid) and now it's like one of the best Nintendo handheld games ever created. (Subjective as ****, but I don't think there's anyone who can deny that it's a well-polished, high quality, succesful game that caused quite a bit of noise when it released)

The series may not have too many games, but they've all been ****ing great, plus, Pit is both a retro character reference, and a recent, very succesful game, so his series has more than enough reason to get a wide variety of content. And that's not to mention that KI items just work for Smash, I won't deny that there's other things in other series that would work just as well or even better, but that's another issue entirely.

And that entirely different issue is Donkey Kong/Metroid.

Do Donkey Kong and Metroid deserve another character? **** yeah, they do, they're ****ing video game giants, but you can't put the blame of it not-happening on Kid Icarus content. If it doesn't happen, it was likely not meant to happen, Kid Icarus or not.

So yeah, the issue's not that Kid Icarus is getting too much attention, it's just that other series are not getting enough (as far as we know.)

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

Overrepresentation doesn't exist in my eyes.

Not only that, but a huge chunk of the Kid icarus content adds to the game. For example, even though the daybreak is a three-piece item like Dragoon, the end result seems to be different.

Now let's talk about Dark Pit for a second. Even if Dark pit is his own character, I still wouldn't care. Even if he was the cloneiest of clones, I still wouldn't care. We already have quite the bit of new content, and even more on the way that I don't see why I should.

Kid Icarus Uprising was also an awesome game, so seeing so much stuff from it is also awesome. Kid Icarus Uprising was also had quite the original stuff so it's basically a gold mine ESPECIALLY with items.

 

[Maxoxpower]

Overrepresentation doesn't exist in my eyes.

Not only that, but a huge chunk of the Kid icarus content adds to the game. For example, even though the daybreak is a three-piece item like Dragoon, the end result seems to be different.

Now let's talk about Dark Pit for a second. Even if Dark pit is his own character, I still wouldn't care. Even if he was the cloneiest of clones, I still wouldn't care. We already have quite the bit of new content, and even more on the way that I don't see why I should.

Kid Icarus Uprising was also an awesome game, so seeing so much stuff from it is also awesome. Kid Icarus Uprising was also had quite the original stuff so it's basically a gold mine ESPECIALLY with items.

i understand your point of view, if you already like all the newcomer and you played kid icarus to death.
But fan from DK like me really want more stuff from my favorite serie.

I love all the stuff from KID ICARUS and i played the game but cant be happy with the current DK STUFF and i am not the only one.
KING K.ROOL PLEASE!!

 

[CatRaccoonBL]

i understand your point of view, if you already like all the newcomer and you played kid icarus to death.
But fan from DK like me really want more stuff from my favorite serie.

I love all the stuff from KID ICARUS and i played the game but cant be happy with the current DK STUFF and i am not the only one.
KING K.ROOL PLEASE!!

I also understand your point of view, but here is my problem with this statement:

This Kid Icarus content isn't hampering DK content in any way. If we were to get rid of a one of Kid Icarus's items for example, that doesn't suddenly mean that we would get a DK item, that might just mean we have one less item.

I know people like to throw around the term "waste of space/development" but quite honestly? Looking at all the items we have already and all the modes, and stages, etc, I kinda doubt any of that is the case. I think they managed their time pretty well, especially when their is a lot more stuff to unlock that is probably secret as well as well all the modes Sakurai is refusing to talk about.

I predict there will be 2x as much content then we have seen already. Whether it will be about DK or not? I don't know, but it is entirely possible.

 

[BridgesWithTurtles]

KI is already a small series, but all the content seems to be coming straight from KIU like the earlier two games don't exist. And normally I wouldn't care how much content a series gets, because it's never really been in any kind of proportion (three Star Fox characters, two Mother characters), but it's all coming from one game that I really don't care for.

Also, it's just another example of Nintendo developers desperately vying to get their properties into Smash Bros, putting SSB ahead of their own projects, which was the entire basis behind characters like Magnus and Zoroark (and I'm glad those failed). KIU just had the advantage of Sakurai helming it.

I don't really care about Smash Run or Item representation, but I'll admit that I'm very tired of Kid Icarus daily pictures as Uprising doesn't interest me in the slightest, I liked it more when Kirby was Sakurai's darling.

I agree with both of these posters. It just bores me. At least pull some ideas from the first two games or something, so at least then I could see that they're making the case that Kid Icarus is a series getting all of this representation, and not just a single game. To have such a large amount of the content come from one single game is alienating for people who haven't played or don't like it, so at least spread it out a little. Super Mario Bros. is the best-selling Mario game; does that mean all of the Mario content should be from that?

In the end, it's all just a game, so no one should be letting this ruin their enjoyment of it, but it does bug me a little. I'm still waiting on a DK character, AT, or stage to show up; or some new Mother content; or a Metroid character; or a Fire Emblem item; or perhaps a Star Fox Smash Run enemy or two. Seeing another piece of Kid Icarus content show up becomes increasingly less interesting with each reveal. Other series are guilty of this, too, namely Mario, but I can at least understand that Nintendo is rather obligated to give Mario special treatment.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I also understand your point of view, but here is my problem with this statement:

This Kid Icarus content isn't hampering DK content in any way. If we were to get rid of a one of Kid Icarus's items for example, that doesn't suddenly mean that we would get a DK item, that might just mean we have one less item.

I know people like to throw around the term "waste of space/development" but quite honestly? Looking at all the items we have already and all the modes, and stages, etc, I kinda doubt any of that is the case. I think they managed their time pretty well, especially when their is a lot more stuff to unlock that is probably secret as well as well all the modes Sakurai is refusing to talk about.

I predict there will be 2x as much content then we have seen already. Whether it will be about DK or not? I don't know, but it is entirely possible.

I don't think the problem is that the items are in the game, it's that we haven't been shown very much from franchises that are a lot more important than Kid Icarus: Uprising. How about instead of making another KI:U update that Sakurai shows us an item or assist trophy from Donkey Kong Country, Star Fox or Kirby instead?