Super Smash Bros N.I.N.T.E.N.D.O.

[Oracle Link]

maybe 90 unique characters and 10 echoes?

Hmmm ok but not more than 100!

 

[AGuestUser]

you forgot frisk on the roster

 

[Oracle Link]

you forgot frisk on the roster

dont worry ill already put him on it!

Who can we add now hmmm maybe Geno, Fawul or Dimentio!

86 Full chars and 7 Echos! meaning 7 Chars to go! (dont worry ill have an idea of making Ats and Bosses Playable in other Modes!

 

[Otoad64]

ok, updated the roster image, this is what we have so far:

 

[Oracle Link]

What do you think of these Chars?

Do we wanna add Peppy as a Fox echo? or slippy? (i know many want krystal but she barely appears in star fox!)

Maybe Nate, Whisper and Jibanyan the Yo kai watch trio!

Octolings?

Probably Geno!

Giovanni (pokemon) or N (pokemon)?

 

[Otoad64]

Do we wanna add Peppy as a Fox echo? or slippy? (i know many want krystal but she barely appears in star fox!)

one as a Fox echo, the other as a Falco echo

Maybe Nate, Whisper and Jibanyan the Yo kai watch trio!

I don't really think we need them, but I'm not opposed to them

Octolings?

as an Inkling echo.

Probably Geno!

yep!

Giovanni (pokemon) or N (pokemon)?

Giovanni.

 

[AGuestUser]

if we add geno, cut plant - we already have more then an entire row of mario characters, I don't we should any more in the base game
also add mach rider

 

[Oracle Link]

one as a Fox echo, the other as a Falco echo

I don't really think we need them, but I'm not opposed to them

as an Inkling echo.

yep!

Giovanni.

Hm but we could run low on spots!

Ok theyre in

Yep

Yep

if we add geno, cut plant - we already have more then an entire row of mario characters, I don't we should any more in the base game
also add mach rider

Yeah i think let us cut the Plant down! (if we really want the plant playable fret not)

Also while Geno is the main Fighter some Specials should be helmed by Mallow!

 

[duxx]

i'll be honest, i dont see a point in cutting zss for metroid. what would it add to the roster? what moveset would it have? why not just keep it as an assist trophy like in ultimate? its not like zss is unnecessary either. she plays completely different than normal samus (or most other characters imo). if you really want to cut a metroid character, just cut dark samus

 

[Otoad64]

ok so here is the roster now

 

[Oracle Link]

i'll be honest, i dont see a point in cutting zss for metroid. what would it add to the roster? what moveset would it have? why not just keep it as an assist trophy like in ultimate? its not like zss is unnecessary either. she plays completely different than normal samus (or most other characters imo). if you really want to cut a metroid character, just cut dark samus

Metroids have a lot of Forms (evolutions) and are more important to Metroid than ZSS!

ok so here is the roster now
View attachment 311150

We did it! Now up to the specifics, Stages, Ats, Music and Co!

 

[AGuestUser]

SSBN alts or whatever

Just to be clear, unless specified, every character except the Ice Climbers, Duck Hunt, Rosalina & Luma, and Banjo & Kazooie will receive 12 alts each(and maybe Bowser Jr considering his current situation)Not Done:Daisy/Rosalina & Luma/Geno/Bowser/Bowser Jr./Wario/Ashley/Captain Syrup/Donkey ...

docs.google.com

welp, here we go

 

[Oracle Link]

SSBN alts or whatever

Just to be clear, unless specified, every character except the Ice Climbers, Duck Hunt, Rosalina & Luma, and Banjo & Kazooie will receive 12 alts each(and maybe Bowser Jr considering his current situation)Not Done:Daisy/Rosalina & Luma/Geno/Bowser/Bowser Jr./Wario/Ashley/Captain Syrup/Donkey ...

docs.google.com

welp, here we go

Let me do link! here:

Spoiler: Link alts

Oot Link:
1. Kokiriri Tunic
2. Goron Tunic
3. Zora Tunic
4. Oni Link (fierce deity)

Tp Link:
5. Green Tunic
6. Zora Tunic (ith armour pieces)
7. Dark Link

Botw 1+2 Link:
8. Champions Tunic
9. Champions Tunic (botw 2+ Light green arm an shield)
10. Sky loft Tunic
11. Royal Tunic (with black shield)
12. Hyrule Armour

And Kirby:

Spoiler: Kirby Alts

1-7 Same as ultimate (mask less meta knight is now one of his alts)
8. Grape
9. Ivory
10. Carbon
11. Shadow Kirby (amazing Mirror)
12. Shadow Kirby (fighters Deluxe)

How do you find these Alts?

 

[AGuestUser]

very nice

 

[Oracle Link]

= Hyrule Temple
Impa= Hyrule Castle 64
= Ganons Castle (not specific)
Frisk= Snowdin
Syrup: SS. Teacup/ Syrups Castle
Wario: Golden pyramide (wario land 4) Maybe!
Goron: Death mountain or Goron Village
Terra:

Spoiler: Final Fantasy 6 Plottwist

Floating Continent Beginning> Black jack Falling main Part (with destruction in the back)

ok so here is the roster now
View attachment 311150

Some small adjustments:

I think Wario should use his Classic Outfit in this Roster

Dark matter should use his orb Form

Terra should have green Hair (the ingame sprite is her intended look)

Frisk need a model

But dont worry i have made some icons that you can use:

(yeah the Char would probably be called The Human Ingame also Classic Wario is available if you right click on Wario same with everyone who has a (1) in his name)

 

[AGuestUser]

so uh, assist trophies now?

 

[Oracle Link]

so uh, assist trophies now?

Ok Otoad what do you Think about these Kirby Assist Trophies?

Adeline and Gooey Edit: Ribbon too!
Magolor
Hyness

 

[Otoad64]

Ok Otoad what do you Think about these Kirby Assist Trophies?

Adeline and Gooey
Magolor
Hyness

why Adeleine and Gooey together? I think it should be Adeleine and Ribbon

oh, also Kracko

 

[Oracle Link]

why Adeleine and Gooey together? I think it should be Adeleine and Ribbon

oh, also Kracko

My idea with adeline and Gooey is this:

So adeline draws 3 normal Food items followed by a Maxim Tomato they land in front of her!
Also in her front is gooey who gobbles any Enemy or enemy Projectile up and spits it out after some seconds!
So if a Enemy wants the food they need to shoot at Gooey he then eats after that they can Attack him LKo him and get the food!
And of course Ribbon can be there too!

I thought we could have a bit of the Bean Stalk folllowed by his Boss arena From Triple Deluxe as a Stage!


Also what do you think about a Sans Assist Trophy he tells Jokes similar to Resseti but if Someone gets Kooed he Attacks the Koer!

 

[Oracle Link]

Nobody here? Let us atleast finish this thing!

New Mode Custom Battles:
You can decide the ammount of lives, the Effects Freely and play as Certain Ats or Bosses!

Current Ats:
Koopa Troop 8bit Giimbas, Koopas ands PPlants attack the Enemy
Hammer Bro (playable)
Chain Chomp (playable)
Waluigi (playable)
Fawful (playable)
Midna (playable)
Ghirahim (playable)
Tingle Reworked (playable)
Moon
Adeline+ Gooey and Ribbon
Magolor (playable)
Hyness (playble)
Klaptrap (playable)
Jeff
Starman (playable)
Starfy (sometimes spawns as powerful underwater variant)
Samurai Goroh? (playable)
Kat and Ana
Dr Kawashima
Kraid (playable)
Golden Sun ?
Sans (playable only in attack mode)

And Bosses (all are playble):
Giga Bowser
Super dimentio?
Ganon
Dodongo
Arceus?
Iron Face (also is a Stage boss)
Kracko (also is a stage Boss)
Void Termina
Mother Brain (2 phases only the Second one is Playble)
Rathalos
Duon
Gyiyg ("giygas" Koporeal Form)
Egg Dragoon
Someone else?

 

[Glubbfubb]

What are you doing?

Looks interesting

 

[Doc Monocle]

Someone else?

What of Kraid? He is one of the 'big three' bosses of Metroid if I am well informed.

 

[Glubbfubb]

What of Kraid? He is one of the 'big three' bosses of Metroid if I am well informed.

What about The Egg Dragoon I love that fight in generations and it would make a cool boss

Egg Dragoon
Theme Egg Dragoon (Sonic Genrations)
Stage Green Hill
Classic Mode: Sonic (Baldy mc nosehair) Rob(rovo vs robo) Hero (Dragon Quest) and Zero (Magma Dragoon)

Their are three weak points to attack with the top one being invincible until you destroy the other 2

 

[Wigglerman]

If I had a say at all in this current roster when it comes to Poke reps I'd keep Incineroar. Not just because I personally love the character but he fills the grappler niche to a T more so than most any other character, has a unique and fun playstyle and oozes personality with his after-move taunts and just being a general 'heel'. If I had to replace any Pokemon to keep him I'd axe Lucario in a heartbeat.

Why Lucario?

Because the character is a friggen MESS from a design standpoint and acted as a Pseudo-Mewtwo replacement in the first place. With Mewtwo becoming a mainstay I feel like Lucario really can hit the highway unless you can fundamentally rework the character from the ground up.

 

[Glubbfubb]

If I had a say at all in this current roster when it comes to Poke reps I'd keep Incineroar. Not just because I personally love the character but he fills the grappler niche to a T more so than most any other character. If I had to replace any Pokemon to keep him I'd axe Lucario in a heartbeat.

Why Lucario?

Because the character is a friggen MESS from a design standpoint and acted as a Pseudo-Mewtwo replacement in the first place. With Mewtwo becoming a mainstay I feel like Lucario really can hit the highway unless you can fundamentally rework the character from the ground up.

I would replace him with fellow gen 4 Gallade, he has a unique fighting style of being both a phycic and swondfighter so it would work well as a unique concept

 

[Wigglerman]

I would replace him with fellow gen 4 Gallade, he has a unique fighting style of being both a phycic and swondfighter so it would work well as a unique concept

I'd take just about anyone else over Lucario at this point.

 

[Glubbfubb]

I'd take just about anyone else over Lucario at this point.

Yeah but if we were to replace him it should be with another gen 4 mon

 

[Wigglerman]

Yeah but if we were to replace him it should be with another gen 4 mon

I don't know if 'should' is the right word. Could be but if we're talking straight trimming the roster to make way for new additions, I'd still prefer to keep Incineroar for one more game at the very least as his playstyle is still unique and isn't filled by any other character proper (Bowser and DK are pseudo grapplers but Incineroar fully embraces the archetype unlike them).

I'd keep Pichu cut and put a Gen 4 rep in his stead.

 

[Glubbfubb]

I don't know if 'should' is the right word. Could be but if we're talking straight trimming the roster to make way for new additions, I'd still prefer to keep Incineroar for one more game at the very least as his playstyle is still unique and isn't filled by any other character proper (Bowser and DK are pseudo grapplers but Incineroar fully embraces the archetype unlike them).

I'd keep Pichu cut and put a Gen 4 rep in his stead.

So Gallade has a chance then I guess, or Garchomp he seems extremely popualr

 

[Wigglerman]

So Gallade has a chance then I guess, or Garchomp he seems extremely popualr

Garchomp would probably have the widest appeal out of the two and offer a crazy moveset potential (Burrowing mechanics, perhaps. Being a literal land shark).

Where's my Dunsparce for Gen 2 representation, dang it?

 

[Glubbfubb]

Gen 3 should then be represented by Gardevoir, she has already smash representation and unique moveset potential as well

 

[AGuestUser]

I mean we have Grovyle representing gen 3, and the only gen we don't have represented out of the (current) roster is gen 7

 

[Glubbfubb]

Keep incinarour and add Tsareena, her personality has something similar to royalty with hints of those sassy female WWE wrestlers so she would make a good foil to Incenrour

Or if we go hard into the royalty, we would have the fight righter with a unique posh royal personality as the other royalty characters have no such personality

Also her main abilty "Queenly Majesty" could make her immune to Counters, so a Counter Counterer

 

[Oracle Link]

What of Kraid? He is one of the 'big three' bosses of Metroid if I am well informed.

Kraid is an Assist trophy!

Keep incinarour and add Tsareena, her personality has something similar to royalty with hints of those sassy female WWE wrestlers so she would make a good foil to Incenrour

Gen 3 should then be represented by Gardevoir, she has already smash representation and unique moveset potential as well

I dont wanna Add Tsarena and Guardevoir because we already have a "girly" pokemon in smash!
And no Gallade because its weird with out Guardevoir
Maybe Garchomp!

Garchomp would probably have the widest appeal out of the two and offer a crazy moveset potential (Burrowing mechanics, perhaps. Being a literal land shark).

Where's my Dunsparce for Gen 2 representation, dang it?

I agree on Garchomp and dunsparce can be a Pokeball Pokemon!

If either a guest user or Otoad64 agrees we will Replace lucario with Garchomp! but thats it outside of Giovannis Pokemon we wont change Pokemon Fighters in this Game anymore!

 

[Wigglerman]

I feel a lot of your reasoning behind why/why not is rather personal and not exactly grounded.

No Tsarena/Gardevoir due to 'already girly mon' in Smash is...weak at best.

No Gallade without Gardevoir is...weak at best. That's hardly a rational reason. The idea that x can't possibly exist without y. I get their a 'duo' but one existed without the other before. And Gardevior is an assist already so if you want to be technical...this excuse doesn't work. This line of reasoning applied to a game that exists (Smash 4) would be like "You can't put RYU without KEN/CHUN! They're basically synonymous with each other!" yet that's exactly what happened. And while Ken WAS added in Ultimate I believe it was more "Hey, we can add Ken now cuz that'd be easy and we get a second SF rep this time around" and less "We committed a crime by NOT having Ken in Smash 4. How could we have added Ryu WITHOUT him!?"

 

[Oracle Link]

Spoiler: Your complaints adressed

If we disscuss every Main pokemon we sit here till the end of time so this is what i came up with:

Only 1 Pokemon Gets changed!
Either Lucario or Quajutsu!
Its either a Gen 4 over Lucario or Gen 6 Pokemon over Quajutsu or mimikyu over one of them!
Giovanni also uses Pokemon for his specials! (or do we want to give him three mons would be a little much right?)

But i can offer you a Pokeball pokemon list:
There may eben be a way to play as a Pokeball Pokemon (if it has basic Movement)


Gen 1:
Schiggy
Bisa Knosp
Glurak

Gen2:
Dunsparce


Gen 3:
Guardevoir (we alrewday decided before you joined that Pkmn Trainer uses a Gen 3 Mon!
Groudon
Kyogre

Gen 4
If anyone of these is added Lucario will be swapped)
Gar chomp
Gallade
Dialga
Palkia
Giratina

Gen 5:
Fake N> Ns Zoroark
Kyurhem

Gen 6:
Chevrum

Gen 7:
Tsareena (the other problem is that shes a Grass type and that Mimikyu exists)
Cosmog
Necrozma

Gen8:
Wooloo

Starter Trophy:
Diffrent "Echos"

Every First Form Starter aside from 1st gen and the pkmn Trainers Pkmn and quajutsus First form is in
There Are three Attack Types with 3 elements

Tackle
Breath
Explosion

Grass (balanced)
Fire (makes most Damage)
Water (most launched)

Go wild!

 

[Otoad64]

I think Lucario should definitely stay. At this point he's by far the most prominent non-Kanto Pokemon

No Gallade without Gardevoir is...weak at best. That's hardly a rational reason. The idea that x can't possibly exist without y. I get their a 'duo' but one existed without the other before. And Gardevior is an assist already so if you want to be technical...this excuse doesn't work. This line of reasoning applied to a game that exists (Smash 4) would be like "You can't put RYU without KEN/CHUN! They're basically synonymous with each other!" yet that's exactly what happened. And while Ken WAS added in Ultimate I believe it was more "Hey, we can add Ken now cuz that'd be easy and we get a second SF rep this time around" and less "We committed a crime by NOT having Ken in Smash 4. How could we have added Ryu WITHOUT him!?"

the difference is that Ryu is the main one. Gallade without Gardevoir feels like Ken without Ryu imo. I suppose that's kinda subjective though

 

[Wigglerman]

You're right! Let's talk about Crash Bandicoot!

Nintendo being at E3 really makes me think that Crash Bandicoot is going to be the next fighter.

I think Lucario should definitely stay. At this point he's by far the most prominent non-Kanto Pokemon

the difference is that Ryu is the main one. Gallade without Gardevoir feels like Ken without Ryu imo. I suppose that's kinda subjective though

Wouldn't Gallade just be the Ken to Gardevoir's Ryu? And that still doesn't make much sense considering Ryu/Ken go hand in hand while Gallade and Gardevoir don't (While they're from the same evolution line they feel hardly as intertwined as similar Mon with gender differences. IE Nidoking/Nidoqueen are an iconic duo and would feel weird with one without the other just as an example. I actually forget Gallade even exists because they're rarely featured side by side like the Nido royals. Gardevoir really carries herself. Gallade just exists). They're essentially Street Fighter. Typically the first two names rolled off the tongue when people think SF (Chun is usually third. Sub-Zero/Scorpion have the same effect in the case of MK).

 

[Otoad64]

Wouldn't Gallade just be the Ken to Gardevoir's Ryu? And that still doesn't make much sense considering Ryu/Ken go hand in hand while Gallade and Gardevoir don't (While they're from the same evolution line they feel hardly as intertwined as similar Mon with gender differences. IE Nidoking/Nidoqueen are an iconic duo and would feel weird with one without the other just as an example. I actually forget Gallade even exists because they're rarely featured side by side like the Nido royals. Gardevoir really carries herself. Gallade just exists). They're essentially Street Fighter. Typically the first two names rolled off the tongue when people think SF (Chun is usually third. Sub-Zero/Scorpion have the same effect in the case of MK).

you're right, Gardevoir does carry herself. Nobody is saying to have Gardevoir without Gallade.

what I'm saying is Gallade doesn't carry himself.

Like you can have Mario without Luigi, but not the other way around.

 

[duxx]

Gen 1:
Schiggy
Bisa Knosp
Glurak

who now?